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UglyPuckling said:
And the estimated $5 - 8 m increase between next year’s cap and 2026-27 can disappear very quickly with new contracts for Pinto, Ostapchuk, new contract or replacement of Jensen, and the carryover bonus for Giroux that started this conversation in the first place, plus the Korpisalo/White buyout/retainage. Virtually all (except Giroux’s) of the Senators big contracts will still be on the books in 2026-27.

As an ‘aside', Bettman shot down the reporting of the big increase for next year that was mentioned by media (Friedman?) and said the numbers were very inaccurate and had no idea how people were coming up with them.

You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today. Abraham Lincoln.
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Yes, there are both debits and credits in a General Ledger. You are looking at details like carry over bonuses (not unreasonable), new contracts for RFAs, etc., but most people are just thinking on the level that the cap will rise. In that sense, your ideas probably won’t get much attention or traction until maybe a year from now.
PlayersLtd said:
I feel like this thread is too active for our reality. Fun to dream but we have so little trade capital and what we do have should be saved for next year.

All we could pull off right now is a hockey trade involving Greig but there's no sense in jeopardizing our roster at this point. Maybe a 3rd at the deadline but even that will sting a bit too much considering our prospect cupboard. I don't think JBD is even expendable at this point considering he could be somewhat valuable as a cost controlled option next year in the likely scenario that Yak isn't ready.

If I'm Andlauer I'm accepting that the 1st round draft penalty is already being felt in the sense that it's tying our hands when it comes to trade capital. Prospects and picks are just too valuable to us.
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I’m kind of thinking along the same lines and that maybe the only addition is a small piece at the deadline if we are in playoff seed at that time.
 
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Where did this soft narrative come from? At full potential this team plays fast, finishes its checks and does not get knocked off the puck down low.

Greig plays a pest type role but he's not providing any bone crushing physicality above Batherson, Stu and even Norris (when Norris is physically engaged).

If it's fighting than ok but we have Brady who counts as 1.5 tough guys and there really aren't many teams that have more intimidation in their top 6.

Speed and physicality wins in the playoffs and we have that. I don't get it.
 
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PlayersLtd said:
Where did this soft narrative come from? At full potential this team plays fast, finishes its checks and does not get knocked off the puck down low.

Greig plays a pest type role but he's not providing any bone crushing physicality above Batherson, Stu and even Norris (when Norris is physically engaged).

If it's fighting than ok but we have Brady who counts as 1.5 tough guys and there really aren't many teams that have more intimidation in their top 6.

Speed and physicality wins in the playoffs and we have that. I don't get it.
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Some fans think every player needs to be at least 6 ft. 3 inches and weigh at least 220 lbs. and constantly crush opponents. IDK, but it seems that way some times.
 
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PlayersLtd said:
Greig plays a pest type role but he's not providing any bone crushing physicality above Batherson, Stu and even Norris (when Norris is physically engaged).
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Greig doesn't have the size, but he is easily 2nd on the team as far as big hits go.

He doesn't do it every game, but he lays guys out when given the opportunity. Different type of physicality.
 
UglyPuckling said:
And the estimated $5 - 8 m increase between next year’s cap and 2026-27 can disappear very quickly with new contracts for Pinto, Ostapchuk, new contract or replacement of Jensen, and the carryover bonus for Giroux that started this conversation in the first place, plus the Korpisalo/White buyout/retainage. Virtually all (except Giroux’s) of the Senators big contracts will still be on the books in 2026-27.

As an ‘aside', Bettman shot down the reporting of the big increase for next year that was mentioned by media (Friedman?) and said the numbers were very inaccurate and had no idea how people were coming up with them.

You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today. Abraham Lincoln.
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I showed a 93M roster for next year with no bonuses.
 
GCK said:
I showed a 93M roster for next year with no bonuses.
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Ya that wouldn’t fly, as you didn’t include 1.9 for White and Korpisalo,

And need a 1-2 million slush fund for injuries and potential trades.

At least I don’t see those in the screen shot
 
Golden_Jet said:
Ya that wouldn’t fly, as you didn’t include 1.9 for White and Korpisalo,

And need a 1-2 million slush fund for injuries and potential trades.

At least I don’t see those in the screen shot
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Yes it’s included. Puckpedia lists it at thesummary
 
PlayersLtd said:
Where did this soft narrative come from? At full potential this team plays fast, finishes its checks and does not get knocked off the puck down low.

Greig plays a pest type role but he's not providing any bone crushing physicality above Batherson, Stu and even Norris (when Norris is physically engaged).

If it's fighting than ok but we have Brady who counts as 1.5 tough guys and there really aren't many teams that have more intimidation in their top 6.

Speed and physicality wins in the playoffs and we have that. I don't get it.
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Black death in French is called "peste" grieg is a pest
 
GCK said:
Yes it’s included. Puckpedia lists it at thesummary
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I’ll take your word for it, I didn’t see it on the screen shot, but maybe because I’m on my phone, not sure.
Or maybe got cutoff in Picture.
I assume you mean post 17986

Also like I said need a slush fund.
 
Hale The Villain said:
We're 4th in the league in hits and have been top 10 in hits for 6 years running now.

Physicality isn't something we're lacking, even if our scouts seem to think so.
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Was just thinking that the Sens desperately need an influx of skill in the pipeline - really need to hit it out of the park at the draft this year.
 
ReginKarlssonLehner said:
Trading Greig would be disaster considering how soft our top 6 is and with previous injury history to Norris and even Pinto.
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Is it though?
Compared to who?
(I’m not advocating trading Grieg, just found it a strange comment)

Brady (possible toughest guy in the NHL)
Jimmy Stu (not a soft bone in his body)
Batherson (plays a heavy game a lays some pretty big hits)
Norris (has piles of hits this year, they don’t all have to be bone crushers)
G is not tough fighting wise but he’s a gritty f***er who competes like crazy.

Gaudette is the only guy you might say is soft but it’s hardly like he shys away.

Edmonton us
Colorado
Vegas
Florida
Tampa
NJ
Dallas

I’m going to have to disagree here, the reality is our top 6 is as tough as anyone else.
 
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Hale The Villain said:
We're 4th in the league in hits and have been top 10 in hits for 6 years running now.

Physicality isn't something we're lacking, even if our scouts seem to think so.
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Hits =/= physical.

Aside from Brady, no one else can use the body to retain possession or outmuscle opposing defenders with frequency in the top 6. Stutzle does it with skill and excellent skating/edge work. Rest get overpowered more than they win it.

What's made our 3rd line so effective is exactly that, Amadio, Pinto and Cousins overpowering their opposition and being stronger on their stick. They are winning more stick battles.
 
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ReginKarlssonLehner said:
Hits =/= physical.

Aside from Brady, no one else can use the body to retain possession or outmuscle opposing defenders with frequency in the top 6. Stutzle does it with skill and excellent skating/edge work. Rest get overpowered more than they win it.

What's made our 3rd line so effective is exactly that, Amadio, Pinto and Cousins overpowering their opposition and being stronger on their stick. They are winning more stick battles.
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Yes and dmen get out muscled a lot in our own zone. Tonight on one of Vancouver's goals Chabot got crushed and it lead to a turnover that lead to the Canucks goal. The third goal Debrusk out muscles Kleven and gets body position to score.

Desharnais at 6'7 is looking good tonight for the Canucks. He is a fast skater...for a big man. Plays physical.
There was talk recently that they are possibly looking to trade him. 28 yr old right shot dman.
 
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Yes and dmen get out muscled a lot in our own zone. Tonight on one of Vancouver's goals Chabot got crushed and it lead to a turnover that lead to the Canucks goal. The third goal Debrusk out muscles Kleven and gets body position to score.

Desharnais at 6'7 is looking good tonight for the Canucks. He is a fast skater...for a big man. Plays physical.
There was talk recently that they are possibly looking to trade him. 28 yr old right shot dman.
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Yea, only Chabot really gets outmuscled often. Jensen has been such a savior for him. JBD from time-to-time.

Sanderson, Jensen, Hamonic, Kleven can really hold it down. It's a competency issue with them, not a skill/capability one.

Zub is really key. He handled incoming forechecks extremely well.

It's our forwards that don't have the capability. It's why Greig is so critical there. He needs to be a factor for Tkachuk to be that presence on the top line and Greig on the second line.
 
Senovision said:
Our dmen are pretty soft. No real hitters, Kleven occasionally hits. Forwards are soft other than Brady. Brady keeps the other teams in check.
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ya Brady is a big part of our physical games

would be nice if other guys also played heavy
 
We need a replacement for Kleven. The guy is inconsistent with the physical play and he handles the puck like it is a grenade. It nearly cost us tonight with our rookie goaltender.

People were dogging on Chabot for his turnovers in bad spots that one game earlier in the week and Kleven had just as many in that same game playing less than half the minutes. Again tonight when the puck was on his stick in our own zone it was 50/50 if it ended up in a turnover and extended Canucks zone time.

The guy needs to understand he's Travis Hamonic. No more passing, shoot it out of our zone around the boards and get physical. And Staois needs to look for a replacement. It's legitimately bad. JBD looks like an NHL bottom pairing defenseman. Kleven does not.

I get it's a bad matchup because of Hughes and Kleven won't be this bad against other teams but it's the obvious weak spot on this team.
 
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Knave said:
We need a replacement for Kleven. The guy is inconsistent with the physical play and he handles the puck like it is a grenade. It nearly cost us tonight with our rookie goaltender.

People were dogging on Chabot for his turnovers in bad spots that one game earlier in the week and Kleven had just as many in that same game playing less than half the minutes. Again tonight when the puck was on his stick in our own zone it was 50/50 if it ended up in a turnover and extended Canucks zone time.

The guy needs to understand he's Travis Hamonic. No more passing, shoot it out of our zone around the boards and get physical. And Staois needs to look for a replacement. It's legitimately bad. JBD looks like an NHL bottom pairing defenseman. Kleven does not.

I get it's a bad matchup because of Hughes and Kleven won't be this bad against other teams but it's the obvious weak spot on this team.
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I don't think we need to replace kleven but we def need better depth on defense so someone like Kleven doesnt have to play every night
 
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Knave said:
We need a replacement for Kleven. The guy is inconsistent with the physical play and he handles the puck like it is a grenade. It nearly cost us tonight with our rookie goaltender.

People were dogging on Chabot for his turnovers in bad spots that one game earlier in the week and Kleven had just as many in that same game playing less than half the minutes. Again tonight when the puck was on his stick in our own zone it was 50/50 if it ended up in a turnover and extended Canucks zone time.

The guy needs to understand he's Travis Hamonic. No more passing, shoot it out of our zone around the boards and get physical. And Staois needs to look for a replacement. It's legitimately bad. JBD looks like an NHL bottom pairing defenseman. Kleven does not.

I get it's a bad matchup because of Hughes and Kleven won't be this bad against other teams but it's the obvious weak spot on this team.
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inconsistent comes with rookies and particularly rookie defensemen

I'd stay patient with him.
 
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I think there are two guys that could help the Sens, one this yr & one in the off season.

Michael McCaron C/RW is not a great hockey player but he is a huge experienced player who will fight & give Brady a break, plays 4th line C which we could use & is a good defensive player. He could probably be had at the trade deadline given Nashville will likely be a seller, but what they would want for him is unknown. We'll probably need about 25 to 26 guys for a playoff push & McCaron given his size & toughest would help Ott in a playoff push & in the playoffs & Ott could use some more toughest in their lineup especially in the playoffs.

Brock Boeser RW is in his last yr of his contract & it will be interesting if he wants to stay in Van. Green knows him & Ott could use a RW especially with Giroux also in his last yr. He's the guy I would go after in the off season to add a little more muscle & scoring to the top six & they could find the money with Giroux likely taking a pay cut, if they decide to re-sign him.
 
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