GDT: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 3

[Sens of Anarchy]

Is the camera angle kinda weird in that shot or is Tyler Kleven an absolute f***ing monster?

Big boy. Built like Larry Robinson.

 

[BondraTime]

Great seeing McGratton around the team

Kleven is an absolute unit. Going to be scary when he's playing at 220/30 when you can move the way he does, playing the violent style he does. Not many in the league that offer that combination.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Bingo.

That’s the good news I was alluding to.
Saw some of the designs for the upcoming season and he is part of the marketing.

Anything on Formenton?

 

[BondraTime]

Anything on Formenton?

Time to forget about him as Sens fans was a year ago

 

[Dan Patrick]

Time to forget about him as Sens fans was a year ago

If there’s one thing sports fans are good at it’s letting go!

 

[HSF]

I hope bath isn’t suspended.

A real underrated element of our team next year is even if you give sanderson 8 and pinto signs for 2 that still leaves 11M in cap space with not many holes on the roster to fill. We could easily sign a nice 7-9M short term deal with a UFA. And the UFAs next year is pretty deep. Scheiffle may be the 4-7th best player available.

A semi vet who doesn’t mind playing in ottawa for 2-3 years if we make some noise?

Another year of development for greig, Kleven, I like boucher so a healthy league.

Maybe JBD makes Zub expendable and who doesn’t want a RHD? Save another 4M.

Honestly, not signing cat may be for the best. That first is a nice pick to watch how boston begins their season.

With Brady leading the team I think it’s important that players stand up for themselves. He is an irritant and drags the team to the fight by sticking up for you. But he demands you do as well. I like it. It’s one of many “winners attitude” types. I didn’t get the vibe cat wanted to do that. I saw the fight and everything. I also just saw him manhandled sometimes or smoked on a hit.

I think he will do better in detroit. Bergren looks good. Similar player. I could see some Kane-Cat chemistry reigniting. And maybe Kane does to play there too now! But then you ship out Bergren maybe. That’s gonna need a strong D to make up for it.

I think Sebrango is gonna be a beast too. Ottawa does well with skating on players. Stone. Kaestalic, Batherson, let’s see with Sokolov.

Sebrango has some Twitter videos and hits are awesome. Him and Kleven. Bottom pair. Lots of lefts but he’d be a great and valuable piece.

Will be really important to have a strong front office that has talented individuals to really navigate the next few years. The Sens are setup well with the cap exploding so its important to take advantage.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

No, just comparing highly unlikely events

Earth will almost assuredly be destroyed at some point. Well not almost it definitely will be

 

[Micklebot]

Earth will almost assuredly be destroyed at some point. Well not almost it definitely will be

but will it be in 3 seasons...

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Featured on the 2023-24 season tickets banner right above his post so I assume that's what he referenced

Banner is pretty small I mean we had our old logo on shit forever lol.

but will it be in 3 seasons...

No likely not. But it is likely to happen

3-5 though

 

[Bileur]

I really liked the Imama addition for Belleville but I’m a little surprised to see the team seemingly seeing him on the NHL roster.

Would be surprising to see Imama and MacEwen on the roster at the same time.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Boko Imama is jacked too. Goodness, he's built like a brick shithouse.

 

[BigRig4]

but will it be in 3 seasons...

Planet earth needs a rebuild

 

[Senator Stanley]

I really liked the Imama addition for Belleville but I’m a little surprised to see the team seemingly seeing him on the NHL roster.

Would be surprising to see Imama and MacEwen on the roster at the same time.

I'm guessing they only saw him being on the NHL roster until they signed MacEwen, although with DJ you never know.

 

[BoardsofCanada]

Saw something interesting on Twitter.

This guy was proposing trading Kubalik instead of Joseph in order to get under the Cap.

His reasons:
we have to attach a sweetner with Joseph, whereas trading Kubalik, we get back a decent asset
the team has probably bonded with Joseph, they like him and want him around, whereas Kubalik they probably don't know anything about him
yes trading Kubalik hurts our depth, but Joseph is a good PKer and that is more of an area of need for the Sens

In a perfect world, we keep both.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Saw something interesting on Twitter.

This guy was proposing trading Kubalik instead of Joseph in order to get under the Cap.

His reasons:
we have to attach a sweetner with Joseph, whereas trading Kubalik, we get back a decent asset
the team has probably bonded with Joseph, they like him and want him around, whereas Kubalik they probably don't know anything about him
yes trading Kubalik hurts our depth, but Joseph is a good PKer and that is more of an area of need for the Sens

In a perfect world, we keep both.

I thought we could waive Joseph and save 1.5 million or close to that? If that's the case, I'd like to keep him and call him up when there are injuries. That way, if he gets picked up on waivers, you're clear of the contract, but if he clears, he's at your disposal. It sucks for him, but it is what it is.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I thought we could waive Joseph and save 1.5 million or close to that? If that's the case, I'd like to keep him and call him up when there are injuries. That way, if he gets picked up on waivers, you're clear of the contract, but if he clears, he's at your disposal. It sucks for him, but it is what it is.

We'd save 1.1M burying him, but would then need to replace him on the roster with a cheaper and worse forward, so we'd probably only save 0.3-0.4M doing that.

Saw something interesting on Twitter.

This guy was proposing trading Kubalik instead of Joseph in order to get under the Cap.

His reasons:
we have to attach a sweetner with Joseph, whereas trading Kubalik, we get back a decent asset
the team has probably bonded with Joseph, they like him and want him around, whereas Kubalik they probably don't know anything about him
yes trading Kubalik hurts our depth, but Joseph is a good PKer and that is more of an area of need for the Sens

In a perfect world, we keep both.

An easy solution to our cap issues would have been signing Caleb Jones for 0.775M and dealing Brannstrom's 2M cap hit.

Dumping Joseph at the cost of a quality pick would be dumb.

 

[Silencio]

I don't really understand how that is gaslighting; it looks like textbook Sens Fan Syndrome to me.

People keep on using that word (gaslighting). I do not think it means what they think it means.

 

[JD1]

We'd save 1.1M burying him, but would then need to replace him on the roster with a cheaper and worse forward, so we'd probably only save 0.3-0.4M doing that.



An easy solution to our cap issues would have been signing Caleb Jones for 0.775M and dealing Brannstrom's 2M cap hit.

Dumping Joseph at the cost of a quality pick would be dumb.

That's not much of a solution if it makes the on ice product worse.

 

[Silencio]

Pierre's excited yelps whenever a player enters his office in these videos are genuinely endearing.

 

[Xspyrit]

1. I think we need a sweetener to dump Joseph. As good as some people think he is he showed a lot of warts last year. And you didn't have to look to hard. If he stays we need him to be a lot better. (all tools). I question if he has it in him to be a consistent contributor on a 3rd line .
2. I think Brannstrom has earned everything he's gotten here. I think if we are not quite ready to move on from him we are very close with Kleven. Lets see how he does at training camp. I do not see any team giving up more than a 2nd for Brannstrom. A 2nd is what it could take to move Joseph. I am ok with less if that happens,
3. It would be a bold move to package these guys and somehow get Laughton in the lineup. I'd be all for that if we can move a B prospect and keep that 1st. Out Brannstrom, Joseph.. In Kleven, Laughton is a win for me. We lose something (depth and versatility on D) with Brannstrom but gain that at F in Laughton.

Ending up moving Brannstrom and Joseph for NOTHING would be just another end result of the terrible asset management (or more inexistant I'd say) that we have been victims of

Non Sens fans are even asking for DET's 1st round pick (which is like 75% of DeBrincat return) to take on Joseph contract.

Just imagine if that happens :

Nick Paul + 7th OA + 39th OA + 3rd

for

4th + 4th + Donovan Sebrango

Oh yeah and the rental years of Dominik Kubalik, Mathieu Joseph and Alex DeBrincat!


Trading Brannstrom instead of the 1st would be almost just as bad IMO. Then the aggregated trade tree would be :

Mark Stone + Nick Paul + 7th OA + 39th OA + 3rd

for

DET's 1st + 2nd (Sokolov) + 4th + 4th + Donovan Sebrango

 

[Micklebot]

People keep on using that word (gaslighting). I do not think it means what they think it means.

 

[OD99]

Absolutely it’s expected. Never claimed otherwise but when drawing attention to his +/- it’s important context. I’d argue that Ottawa’s third pair last year was more sheltered that most but that’s a different conversation.

OK, I misinterpreted the comment to be more about how his expected usage should be.

With the top 4 we have now, Branny should only be moved up for injuries, etc...he can still grow his game but the fact he can be a solid 3rd pairing guy who helps move the puck out of our zone with possession is what helps us be a better team, and I think that is the part some miss (IMO).

 

[Xspyrit]

Saw something interesting on Twitter.

This guy was proposing trading Kubalik instead of Joseph in order to get under the Cap.

His reasons:
we have to attach a sweetner with Joseph, whereas trading Kubalik, we get back a decent asset
the team has probably bonded with Joseph, they like him and want him around, whereas Kubalik they probably don't know anything about him
yes trading Kubalik hurts our depth, but Joseph is a good PKer and that is more of an area of need for the Sens

In a perfect world, we keep both.

I posted this last week for the first time on HF but I have pretty much been on this since Tarasenko has been signed. My reasoning :


The smartest thing to get cap compliant would be to trade Kubalik for a pick instead of paying anything to move Joseph's contract

All these guys need PP time :

Thomas Chabot, Jakob Chychrun, Jake Sanderson, Erik Brannstrom, Tim Stutzle, Claude Giroux, Brady Tkachuk, Josh Norris, Drake Batherson, Vladimir Tarasenko, Dominik Kubalik, Shane Pinto and Ridly Greig

13 guys, 10 spots (and 5 of these spots already don't get a lot of minutes)

Joseph plays a big role on the PK and... here's a comparison I made between the 2 players :


Kubalik is a pretty decent offensive player but look at the other Sens players, there won't be a lot of PP time available... Kubalik scored 17 of his 45 pts on the PP last season

Over the last 2 years, Kubalik has 51 ESP despite only missing 5 games. Joseph has 45 ES + PK pts despite missing 39 games...

So Joseph has a better scoring rate at ES (1.58 pts per 60 ES minutes vs 1.53 for Kubalik), is quite better defensively and is a TOP PK forward in the NHL.

What was Ottawa's weakness last season? 5v5, they finished 25th in GF%

Kubalik's contract (1 year vs 2.5 AAV) makes him attractive and would return a decent pick while clearing 2.5 AAV

Joseph's is a cap casualty (3 years vs 2.95 AAV) and would cost a decent pick to move

Plus, Kubalik will want a pretty significant raise if he puts good numbers in Ottawa... something that we won't be able to afford (as we might go after a bigger fish if Tarasenko is not kept) or want (risky contract for Kubalik?)

I know which guy I want traded. Ideally I'd want both but we still have so much dead money, no choice.

This is a NO BRAINER and hope Dorion makes the right decision

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Boko Imama is jacked too. Goodness, he's built like a brick shithouse.

Imama - Kastelic - MacEwen - Putting on the Foil line.

 

[Hale The Villain]

That's not much of a solution if it makes the on ice product worse.

That's the position we're in, which I'm more than fine with since Tarasenko will help the team far more than Brannstrom will.

Unless someone ends up on LTIR or Batherson is suspended someone will have to go. I'd rather we trade Brannstrom than lose yet another 2nd to dump Joseph.