GDT: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 3

[2CHAINZ]

People keep on using that word (gaslighting). I do not think it means what they think it means.

Whenever someone disagrees, it's gaslighting or they are toxic

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I thought we could waive Joseph and save 1.5 million or close to that? If that's the case, I'd like to keep him and call him up when there are injuries. That way, if he gets picked up on waivers, you're clear of the contract, but if he clears, he's at your disposal. It sucks for him, but it is what it is.

1.125 maximum buried cap hit . Waiving Jospeph still have 1.825 on the books against the cap . Replacing his spot with a league minimum 775 would leave 2.6 vs 2.95 against the cap.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

Imama - Kastelic - MacEwen - Putting on the Foil line.

The plus/minus for this line (-45) - (-40) - (-47) all with an average of 4 minutes of ice time lol

(Kastelic will be on the ice for a few shorties)

 

[Duncstar]

The plus/minus for this line (-45) - (-40) - (-47) all with an average of 4 minutes of ice time lol

(Kastelic will be on the ice for a few shorties)

The hits tho...

The hits.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The plus/minus for this line (-45) - (-40) - (-47) all with an average of 4 minutes of ice time lol

(Kastelic will be on the ice for a few shorties)

Negativity thread material. Remember we have the new DJ motivating and teaching them. 4th liners were always held accountable.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Whenever someone disagrees, it's gaslighting or they are toxic

gaslighters gaslighting gaslighters about gaslighting. toxic

 

[Micklebot]

That's the position we're in, which I'm more than fine with since Tarasenko will help the team far more than Brannstrom will.

Unless someone ends up on LTIR or Batherson is suspended someone will have to go. I'd rather we trade Brannstrom than lose yet another 2nd to dump Joseph.

The question is whether being better this season is worth a 2nd (or whatever it takes to move Joseph) or whether we'd rather sacrifice something this season for the future.

I don't know that there's a right or wrong answer here;

Joseph opens up the most space, Brannstrom can certainly help us win now imo, and allows Kleven to develop. Moving Joseph makes a lot of sense in that regard

A 2nd, odds are only helps us in 3+ years if at all if we choose to use it, or as a trading piece at the deadline. Can we get someone at the deadline

Kubalik as a trade piece makes some sense in that he's likely only here the one year, though I suppose we could extend him. But I do like the depth he gives our 3rd line.

Moving Brannstrom makes sense in that we have some options to step in when he's moved, Kleven looks pretty much ready, and adds a dimension we lack. Also, keeping Joseph around maintains a prominent penalty killer from last season, a special team group already going through a lot of turnover.

 

[Icelevel]

gaslighters gaslighting gaslighters about gaslighting. toxic

Can’t tell if sarcasm

 

[Xspyrit]

Whenever someone disagrees, it's gaslighting or they are toxic

Which one is it for this story (found it fascinating so thought I'd share it here). This is on another forum :

Leafs fan : "Batherson overpaid and future very doubtful"

Sens fan : "Batherson isn’t overpaid LMAO"

Leafs fan : "Dude gets $5M to score 12,14, 8 (that’s right 8!) 5v5 goals past 3 years . Jarnkrok scored 17this past year and is better defensively , @$2.1M. PP merchant, way overpaid

Me : "Batherson is a pure playmaker... It just happens that he also has a wicked shot since he is a high end talent."

Leafs fan : "Batherson is a pure playmaker - now that takes the ‘SENs fans are beyond delusional’ cake today. How can you honestly say that? Do you have any objective proof?
Because the stats certainly don’t support that argument (not even top 50 in assists) and when I watch the Leafs vs SENs, he offers nothing and is only a threat on PP - as a shooter."

Me : "Proof would be to... watch him play?" and then I link this video :




Leafs fan : "Bud, you are … something. The post, trade & comments (including yours) have all been about batherson so you send me a link to YouTube highlights about Norris . Makes sense. For the record neither of them are ‘pure playmakers’, but please do tell "


x 1 000 0000

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

gaslighters gaslighting gaslighters about gaslighting. toxic

You're imagining things

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Ending up moving Brannstrom and Joseph for NOTHING would be just another end result of the terrible asset management (or more inexistant I'd say) that we have been victims of

Non Sens fans are even asking for DET's 1st round pick (which is like 75% of DeBrincat return) to take on Joseph contract.

Just imagine if that happens :

Nick Paul + 7th OA + 39th OA + 3rd

for

4th + 4th + Donovan Sebrango

Oh yeah and the rental yearsr of Dominik Kubalik, Mathieu Joseph and Alex DeBrincat!


Trading Brannstrom instead of the 1st would be almost just as bad IMO. Then the aggregated trade tree would be :

Mark Stone + Nick Paul + 7th OA + 39th OA + 3rd

for

Det's 1st + 2nd (Sokolov) + 4th + 4th + Donovan Sebrango

Forget aggregate trade trees. There have been too many bad trades leading up to now since the 2017-18 to worry about that.
We need to move from this point forward. Lost is already lost.

To get a sense of Brannstrom's value
Is Brannstrom worth a 1st? A 1-25 pick or a later 25-32 Pick? To who?

I think Brannstrom has a good depth role with the Sens and is a nice to have in case of injuries in the top 3.

What will in take to move Joseph?

 

[aragorn]

1. I think we need a sweetener to dump Joseph. As good as some people think he is he showed a lot of warts last year. And you didn't have to look to hard. If he stays we need him to be a lot better. (all tools). I question if he has it in him to be a consistent contributor on a 3rd line .
2. I think Brannstrom has earned everything he's gotten here. I think if we are not quite ready to move on from him we are very close with Kleven. Lets see how he does at training camp. I do not see any team giving up more than a 2nd for Brannstrom. A 2nd is what it could take to move Joseph. I am ok with less if that happens,
3. It would be a bold move to package these guys and somehow get Laughton in the lineup. I'd be all for that if we can move a B prospect and keep that 1st. Out Brannstrom, Joseph.. In Kleven, Laughton is a win for me. We lose something (depth and versatility on D) with Brannstrom but gain that at F in Laughton.

Agreed, we already know that Philly has said they want a 1st for Laughton & who knows if they even want either of Joseph or Brannstrom, giving them the first would be so they also have to take those two. We also know what Laughton brings as a hard nosed tough forward who can put up 35 to 45 pts playing in the top six which is a lot more than we have yet to see from Joeseph. We also have two first rd picks & can afford to give one up while adding another good tough forward although some still prefer to keep draft picks at a time where we want to go for a playoff spot. Should be interesting how the Sens handle this, but they could also wait until the TDL to make a move & add a good player although they still need to shed some money before the season starts.

Kleven is an absolute unit. Going to be scary when he's playing at 220/30 when you can move the way he does, playing the violent style he does. Not many in the league that offer that combination.

Getting him into the lineup sooner rather than later so he can be mentored by Hamonic who also plays a similar style would be so beneficial for him as well. He would also make the Sens that much harder to play against & that bomb from the point will be a feared weapon.

Planet earth needs a rebuild

We're all moving to Mars.

Saw something interesting on Twitter.

This guy was proposing trading Kubalik instead of Joseph in order to get under the Cap.

His reasons:
we have to attach a sweetner with Joseph, whereas trading Kubalik, we get back a decent asset
the team has probably bonded with Joseph, they like him and want him around, whereas Kubalik they probably don't know anything about him
yes trading Kubalik hurts our depth, but Joseph is a good PKer and that is more of an area of need for the Sens

In a perfect world, we keep both.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to keep Joseph over Kubalik, Ott has a few guys who can play on the PK in Kastelic, Kelly, Pinto, Norris & maybe Kubalik & Stutzle will get some PK time as well. Batherson should play on the PK to improve his defensive game too.

OK, I misinterpreted the comment to be more about how his expected usage should be.

With the top 4 we have now, Branny should only be moved up for injuries, etc...he can still grow his game but the fact he can be a solid 3rd pairing guy who helps move the puck out of our zone with possession is what helps us be a better team, and I think that is the part some miss (IMO).

I guess it depends on what you think is more important, a guy who gets ovwerwhelmed in his own end, but occassionally can skate the puck out or a guy who controls his own end & can get the puck out off the glass or occassionally skate it out. I clearly prefer the bigger, tougher, stronger player with a longer reach who can win board battles & throw big hits & who has a very hard shot from the point. They already have Chabot, Sanderson, Chychrun & Zub or JBD who can skate the puck out of trouble & so can Kleven.

I don't think there is any question that Brannstrom is on borrowed time & it's just a matter of time before Kleven is the permanent 3rd pairing LD. And then Brannstrom would have to fight with Hamonic & JBD for that 3rd pairing RD spot & IMO Guennette is another guy who is getting closer to being NHL ready at RD after his 40 pt season last yr in Belleville. The only question is what is Brannstrom's value right now & who would want him? The same can be said of Joseph, what is their value right now without a first added to any deal? I wouldn't want either one on my team.

 

[Crosside]

Agreed, we already know that Philly has said they want a 1st for Laughton & who knows if they even want either of Joseph or Brannstrom, giving them the first would be so they also have to take those two. We also know what Laughton brings as a hard nosed tough forward who can put up 35 to 45 pts playing in the top six which is a lot more than we have yet to see from Joeseph. We also have two first rd picks & can afford to give one up while adding another good tough forward although some still prefer to keep draft picks at a time where we want to go for a playoff spot. Should be interesting how the Sens handle this, but they could also wait until the TDL to make a move & add a good player although they still need to shed some money before the season starts.

Getting him into the lineup sooner rather than later so he can be mentored by Hamonic who also plays a similar style would be so beneficial for him as well. He would also make the Sens that much harder to play against & that bomb from the point will be a feared weapon.

We're all moving to Mars.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to keep Joseph over Kubalik, Ott has a few guys who can play on the PK in Kastelic, Kelly, Pinto, Norris & maybe Kubalik & Stutzle will get some PK time as well. Batherson should play on the PK to improve his defensive game too.

I guess it depends on what you think is more important, a guy who gets ovwerwhelmed in his own end, but occassionally can skate the puck out or a guy who controls his own end & can get the puck out off the glass or occassionally skate it out. I clearly prefer the bigger, tougher, stronger player with a longer reach who can win board battles & throw big hits & who has a very hard shot from the point. They already have Chabot, Sanderson, Chychrun & Zub or JBD who can skate the puck out of trouble & so can Kleven.

I don't think there is any question that Brannstrom is on borrowed time & it's just a matter of time before Kleven is the permanent 3rd pairing LD. And then Brannstrom would have to fight with Hamonic & JBD for that 3rd pairing RD spot & IMO Guennette is another guy who is getting closer to being NHL ready at RD after his 40 pt season last yr in Belleville. The only question is what is Brannstrom's value right now & who would want him? The same can be said of Joseph, what is their value right now without a first added to any deal? I wouldn't want either one on my team.

I agree , probably the last year of Branns. But I think more at the deadline

 

[milkbag]

The term is "gaslamping". It always has been.

The plus/minus for this line (-45) - (-40) - (-47) all with an average of 4 minutes of ice time lol

(Kastelic will be on the ice for a few shorties)

Yeah but think how many 911 calls the city of Montreal would make if they're all in the lineup vs. them. It'd be hilarious.

 

[BrawlFan]

Not to say I’m 100% sure but now the guy is telling me that both bath and Formy are getting 20-30 games. Each.

 

[milkbag]

Not to say I’m 100% sure but now the guy is telling me that both bath and Formy are getting 20-30 games. Each.

He reeled it back from the franchise getting punished and forfeiting picks or whatever eh?

 

[Micklebot]

The term is "gaslamping". It always has been.

 

[OD99]

Earth will almost assuredly be destroyed at some point. Well not almost it definitely will be

but will it be in 3 seasons...

Toronto, at least, will have imploded after the Senators win the Cup.

 

[BrawlFan]

He reeled it back from the franchise getting punished and forfeiting picks or whatever eh?

Yep. First he said formenton done for the year, 2nd round pick, Bath for 20.

Now he’s saying 30 each.

I have my doubts.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

Yep. First he said formenton done for the year, 2nd round pick, Bath for 20.

Now he’s saying 30 each.

I have my doubts.

I think it's a given at this point that Formenton won't be playing again. But Batherson wouldn't be used in promotional material if there was an incoming suspension.

 

[Relapsing]

He reeled it back from the franchise getting punished and forfeiting picks or whatever eh?

That guys guy seems SUPER trustworthy. That's a pretty big change for someone apparently in the know. You'd think if the NHL already had it sorted out that they wouldn't change their decision within a week, eh?

 

[BrawlFan]

I think it's a given at this point that Formenton won't be playing again. But Batherson wouldn't be used in promotional material if there was an incoming suspension.

Agreed. I don’t see it. Benjiv already has pointed to the promo material and Bath as well and he has legitimate tested info. So I have my doubts.

But I’m just passing it along. Perhaps I’m just part of a big practical joke

That guys guy seems SUPER trustworthy. That's a pretty big change for someone apparently in the know. You'd think if the NHL already had it sorted out that they wouldn't change their decision within a week, eh?

Agreed. Could be haggling for the players not to file a grievance maybe?

 

[milkbag]

Agreed. I don’t see it. Benjiv already has pointed to the promo material and Bath as well and he has legitimate tested info. So I have my doubts.

But I’m just passing it along. Perhaps I’m just part of a big practical joke



Agreed. Could be haggling for the players not to file a grievance maybe?

Does your source also smoke things out of a light bulb? I had a source like that once. Always saw him when I used to grab my morning coffee before work downtown.

Melnyk never did jetpack into the stadium with his dick out while giving everyone the finger because of the billboards though. You gotta take those kinds of sources with a grain of salt.

 

[BondraTime]

Given the fact he is giving a drastically different story less than a few days later, pretty safe to say it’s not true.

Hard to get something so drastically different unless it’s made up

 

[aragorn]

Not to say I’m 100% sure but now the guy is telling me that both bath and Formy are getting 20-30 games. Each.

That would be a giant win for Ottawa if they only lost Formenton for 30 games, however, losing Batherson would hurt which I don't see him getting the same amount of games as he was much less involved. It would be interesting if whatever Forms gets in punishment if he continues to be Sens property & maybe returns next season. What do they do with the asset if he can't play in the NHL this yr, no one will trade for him & he continues to be Sens property, then what happens next yr? Should be interesting what happens when it's all said & done & the public perception whether that hurts any return to playing in the NHl.