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The guy who played 32 games this season and wasn't even chosen by his coach to be the Canes first starting goalie in the playoffs.
Frederik Andersen
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The guy who played 32 games this season and wasn't even chosen by his coach to be the Canes first starting goalie in the playoffs.
keonsbitterness
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That he never performed well in a 7th/5th game, had injuries that took forever to heal, and mentally checked out on the team his last year. Whether or not his replacement(s) sucked, he had to go.
Stephen
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Jack Campbell won 6 playoff games for the Leafs between the last game Andersen played for the Leafs and tonight, so of all the things to get angry about, this one is a bit of a stretch.
Bomber0104
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Over two years, in losing 1st round efforts. Unfortunately when you're using a stat like playoff wins to judge a goalie, they only really matter when you get them in multiples of 4's...
It's a flat out fact that this playoff alone from Freddie eclipses anything Dubas' replacements have done since...
I think we can give the player his due here.
And how did the big guns do in those 7th/5th games?
Oh yeah, firing more blanks just like they did against the Panthers...
It was always a lot more expedient to blame everything on the goalie though, granted.
Leaf Fans
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Well, yeah. He has played pretty well this post season, so it is a good time to trash the Leafs and their management. McCann only got 3 points in his 8 playoff games, so we can't use him anymore, but he will be back in the saddle if he plays well. it doesn't matter how far removed from Toronto or how much time has passed.
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keonsbitterness
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Not well, and I'm not defending them.
Easier to discard Freddy when we did because of his expiring contract combined with his issues.
Leaf Fans
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Ok do that then.Sure we can, he was still better than Kerfoot and Holl (healthy scratch)
Bomber0104
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Followed by signing Mrazek, dumping a 1st round pick to discard him the same, and then acquiring Matt Murray and not a 1st round pick back...
Genius.
keonsbitterness
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You said that already.
Sounds like you're trying to have an argument with Dubas. I'm not him.
No, I don't. I remember him consistently letting in weak, deflating goals at the worst possible time, often unscreened from distance or horrible angles, taken by random 3rd and 4th liners. I remember him getting outplayed by the opposing goalie in every playoff series. I remember him always being injured with mysterious injuries that nobody other than Andersen could figure out. I remember him getting outplayed by Campbell. I remember Carolina making him a healthy scratch in the playoffs, opting for rookies and journeyman backups instead. Etc.
I remember watching him last night, even in a good game, getting outplayed by an opposing goalie in another playoff loss.
makbeer
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Andersen is the best goalie to have been here since Eddie Belfour.
Woll is already the 2nd best and not far off Freddy if he keeps progressing.
Andersen absolutely stole games against Washington and Boston and even CLB. He carried us to the playoffs the first couple of years and played behind guys like cody ceci on the top pairing.
People have recency bias and remember his poor stretch at the end but forget how insane he was with multiple 40-save stole games in the playoffs vs FAR superior teams than we faced recently.
Campbell easily the most overrated goalie to have played here. MTL was the easiest opponent the leafs have played against with the worst offense we have seen in the playoffs. Yet he still put up sub .900 numbers in games with a chance to send them home, with weak goals in every single one of those games.
Regardless they are all in the best now. More importantly we dont have a shitshow for a goalie coach now and hopefully we develop Woll properly.
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That’s fine. He was injured in his last year with Toronto and had plenty of bad games. I just am referencing the ridiculous witch-hunt that happened when this fanbase really turned on him. People were arguing vehemently that there was no excuse to not stop shots tipped in the slot off his own players; it was madness and yes, it certainly happened, hence my initial post.
Not that that would be saying much, but also, highly highly debatable.
He had one really good year in 2016-2017, but nothing all that notable otherwise, and even that was partly driven by just how much he played. On a per-game basis, Samsonov actually had a better performance this year.
He was bad for the last half of his contract here, was often injured, consistently let in goals on first shots or right after goals, consistently let in backbreaking, low percentage goals in critical moments in the playoffs, was outplayed by his opposing goalie in every playoff series, and never took responsibility for bad play.
He ended his time with the Leafs +25.6 GSAx through 268 regular season games and +1.8 GSAx through 25 playoff games. That's not great.
He was a massive part of getting us into the playoffs in his first year, but over the 4 playoffs that Andersen played in, there were 4 games that we deserved to lose that we won. There were 8 that we deserved to win, but lost. So you'd have quite the hill to climb to argue he helped us more than hurt us.
Ceci played 56 games with us, was 4th on our defense in ice time per game, and Ceci's struggle was generating offense, not defense, so not sure how that's detrimental to Andersen.
Yes, new guy seems much better.
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He was very inconsistent.
Nobody cares he stole games, it's not like Toronto is icing an awful team. He needed to steal SERIES, he didn't do that so he's gone.
He's having success on the best defensive team in the NHL, good for him, but if he was that great of a goalie, Toronto would've kept him.
He was another goalie that fluctuated in Toronto. There's a reason the team was 0/4 in 1st rounds with him and it wasn't because they lost 4 games 1-0 in triple OT. His last year he was .895 with a 3 gaa, says it all.
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Freddy was and is a good goalie. He was never "the problem" in Toronto. The media and general fan opinion turned on him, and then management decided the goalie carousel was a better option. I still hate that choice.
I'm just hoping now the media and general fan opinion of the core 4 doesn't do the same thing to the best Leafs team I've ever gotten to watch.
I'm just hoping now the media and general fan opinion of the core 4 doesn't do the same thing to the best Leafs team I've ever gotten to watch.
Stephen
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Well, at least the Canes lost so last night so we don’t have to give him any more dues.
We ran him into the ground in the regular season because "back up goalie points are luck". Then gave him a moron goalie coach
Then he became just one of a long line of scapegoats for the core and GM
In his last two playoffs series we scored this in terms of goals (Freddys save % was .920 and .936)
18/19
4 W
1 L
3 W
4 L
2 W
2 L
1 L
19/20
0 L
3 W
3 L
4 W
0 L
Only 2 Ls when we score more then 2 goals 4 games during that stretch we scored 2 or less.
His occasional soft goal only was amplified because we go missing for long stretches offensively.
Then he became just one of a long line of scapegoats for the core and GM
In his last two playoffs series we scored this in terms of goals (Freddys save % was .920 and .936)
18/19
4 W
1 L
3 W
4 L
2 W
2 L
1 L
19/20
0 L
3 W
3 L
4 W
0 L
Only 2 Ls when we score more then 2 goals 4 games during that stretch we scored 2 or less.
His occasional soft goal only was amplified because we go missing for long stretches offensively.
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