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Fox or Faber

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Fox or Faber

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Raccoon Jesus said:
I think Fox gets a bit of a bum rap, and the tournament certainly isn't helping but

If you're seriously asking me if I'd want to build around a 27 year old or a 22 year old it's a pretty easy choice even before considering how Faber constantly rises to the occasion and learns and grows...he's a sponge...
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Age isn't even a factor because this is like choosing between Eichel and Lafreniere.
 
It’s ok guys, the advanced stats guys know more than the rest of us. And also they know more than Guerin, Sullivan, Torts, and the countless other legendary figures involved in US Hockey who rode Faber like a rented mule against McDavid & MacKinnon.

Their charts say Fox is the East Coast Makar/Hughes - we must be baboons if we don’t agree.
 
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In his first game back, Faber played over 30:00 minutes. I would not trade Faber straight up for Fox, but that is taking into account age, and contracts.

I don't watch enough Fox to have an opinion besides the fact that i think Faber is better compared to McAvoy. Ultimately, I think Faber will end up as lesser offensive, and better defensive player than Fox.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
disagree, 5 years is an eternity in sports

Especially if we're talking about building a team
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Five years of what tho?

He'll never be as good as Fox. He's the third-best defenseman on the Wild.

If it were Sanderson or maybe even Hutson, I would agree with you on the age thing if the question is "build a team around."

I don't get Faber. His underlying numbers are completely f***ing mid. And everyone's gonna call me a nerd and say I don't watch the games. That's fine. This feels like Rasmus Ristolainen all over again. Everyone will get excited about the player, attack me when I point out the numbers, and then forget I told them so when the guy is a nobody at 27.

The only reason Faber gets so much glaze is because his coaches really like putting him on the ice. You know, like Rasmus Ristolainen.
 
Machinehead said:
Five years of what tho?

He'll never be as good as Fox. He's the third-best defenseman on the Wild.

If it were Sanderson or maybe even Hutson, I would agree with you on the age thing if the question is "build a team around."

I don't get Faber. His underlying numbers are completely f***ing mid. And everyone's gonna call me a nerd and say I don't watch the games. That's fine. This feels like Rasmus Ristolainen all over again. Everyone will get excited about the player, attack me when I point out the numbers, and then forget I told them so when the guy is a nobody at 27.

The only reason Faber gets so much glaze is because his coaches really like putting him on the ice. You know, like Rasmus Ristolainen.
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Horrible player comp. If anything, he is like Doughty who has also had questionable advanced stats. Or McAvoy.

And every single Wild fan, coach, player, FO member would confirm he is a better player than both Brodin & Spurgeon.
 
MNRube said:
Horrible player comp. If anything, he is like Doughty who has also had questionable advanced stats. Or McAvoy.

And every single Wild fan, coach, player, FO member would confirm he is a better player than both Brodin & Spurgeon.
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When did Doughty and McAvoy have questionable advanced stats?

Here's all three of them in D+4:

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BTW that's the year Drew Doughty won a Stanley Cup and he had already been a Norris finalist.

I understand that Faber is a young player but everyone he's getting compared to in this thread was already a superstar at the age he is now.
 
Phrasing said:
Hughes too.
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Oh, by far.

Werenski, Morrissey, McAvoy, Forsling who everyone just forgot about because it didn't happen yesterday; he's having a good year.

Just scratching the surface here.

Look, I don't wanna sit here and just shit on this kid. He's 22 years old and clearly has some talent. He has the chance to really be something. I just think we're forgetting the caliber of players we're comparing him to here.

Fox, again, already won a Norris at that age and he really should have two. I understand how special Karlsson's production was in 22-23 but Fox was surely a better a hockey player top to bottom. That's a difficult resume to surmount even with all the potential in the world.

Classic HF being reactionary over a few games that just happened.
 
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Machinehead said:
I understand that Faber is a young player but everyone he's getting compared to in this thread was already a superstar at the age he is now.
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The only ones who dont think he is a star is you and the chart crowd. Watch him every night and he’s significantly better than advanced stats darling Spurgeon, to name one example.
 
Machinehead said:
Oh, by far.

Werenski, Morrissey, McAvoy, Forsling who everyone just forgot about because it didn't happen yesterday; he's having a good year.

Just scratching the surface here.

Look, I don't wanna sit here and just shit on this kid. He's 22 years old and clearly has some talent. He has the chance to really be something. I just think we're forgetting the caliber of players we're comparing him to here.

Fox, again, already won a Norris at that age and he really should have two. I understand how special Karlsson's production was in 22-23 but Fox was surely a better a hockey player top to bottom. That's a difficult resume to surmount even with all the potential in the world.

Classic HF being reactionary over a few games that just happened.
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Good lord. Didn’t I just say Faber has been a stud since the moment he made his debut? Stop being an East coast shit head, my dude.
 
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ref19 said:
Nope. Let’s be serious here


Questionable. Hughes is better on the PP
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It’s not questionable, but my early prognosis is correct, you can’t be reasoned with. Unsure if you are an actual hockey fan if you have this little knowledge. Objectively speaking Faber isn’t top 3. Fox and Hughes are better.
 
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