Proposal: Fowler + for Kucherov

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Not sure what's going on with his contract status and I would assume Tampa wants to keep him, but there's a lot of contracts coming up for Tampa. If Tampa takes calls on him and possibly move him would they go for Fowler + prospect? Fowler is getting paid 4 mill next 2 seasons then a UFA. Does kucherov make around 5-6 on his next contract? This might not work for tampas cap situation but It's summertime so let's atleast have a civil chat about this to pass the time.

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[liquiduck]

Kucherov is a right winger. We have those.

 

[Bandit Keith]

Why would Tampa trade Kucherov for another Left-handed d-man?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Kucherov is a right winger. We have those.

I think we could make room for this one Can't see Tampa going for this.

 

[liquiduck]

I think we could make room for this one Can't see Tampa going for this.

I don't see either team going for this.

You think Anaheim wants to lock up 18mil in right wingers?

Edit: kucherov is a great player, but unless we are moving slifverberg then I don't see it.

 

[Hammettf2b]

I thought Ana fans wanted to ship out Fowler for a cost controlled winger? Kucherov is going to be getting a pretty hefty raise.

 

[MMC]

Id love Kuch, but targeting Palat makes a lot more sense right now.

 

[All Mighty]

No chance we are getting Kucherov. I agree Palat would be a much better target.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Not sure what's going on with his contract status and I would assume Tampa wants to keep him, but there's a lot of contracts coming up for Tampa. If Tampa takes calls on him and possibly move him would they go for Fowler + prospect? Fowler is getting paid 4 mill next 2 seasons then a UFA. Does kucherov make around 5-6 on his next contract? This might not work for tampas cap situation but It's summertime so let's atleast have a civil chat about this to pass the time.

This deal makes absolutely no sense at all, Fowler is a LHD and Tampa doesn't need LHD they need RHD and Kucherov will cost around $6 million to $7 million per for 8 years or so and with Anaheim having an internal budget i seriously doubt that they can afford to give that to Kucherov. And besides it would take more then just Fowler whom Tampa doesn't need to get Kucherov.

 

[tjs*]

No way from Tampa.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I don't see either team going for this.

You think Anaheim wants to lock up 18mil in right wingers?

Edit: kucherov is a great player, but unless we are moving slifverberg then I don't see it.

We need to add another legit offensive threat, preferably a left handed guy. I don't see why another RW should be out of the question though. Getzlaf/Perry, Kesler/Silf, Rakell/Kucherov would give us three dynamite C/RW combos to build the top 9 around, it would create matchup hell.

One could argue that our two top forward prospects are both LWs, so that could help ease the burden of having a lot of money tied up in the other two forward positions for the time being (assuming we can get some affordable production out of them in the near future).

I agree that Palat is probably a more realistic target , though I'm not sure if he's remotely available. I would say that we have a piece in Montour that would seem to represent the Bolts biggest organizational need, if we were to be discussing a deal around a good young forward.

 

[tjs*]

As for Palat it's always difficult to tell what Yzerman is thinking but many of us would move Johnson before we'd move Drej.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Why would Tampa trade Kucherov for another Left-handed d-man?

Exactly Tampa needs Right Handed D men not Left Handed D men.

 

[liquiduck]

We need to add another legit offensive threat, preferably a left handed guy. I don't see why another RW should be out of the question though. Getzlaf/Perry, Kesler/Silf, Rakell/Kucherov would give us three dynamite C/RW combos to build the top 9 around, it would create matchup hell.

One could argue that our two top forward prospects are both LWs, so that could help ease the burden of having a lot of money tied up in the other two forward positions for the time being (assuming we can get some affordable production out of them in the near future).

Another RW at that price point is out of the question. You're are totally ignoring the money side of the equation here.

 

[c4rcy]

Palat would be a perfect complement on Kesler's line. An extremely skilled playmaking winger.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Another RW at that price point is out of the question. You're are totally ignoring the money side of the equation here.

Do you say the same when people suggest Landeskog, Nuge etc? We need to ice three good lines to be competitive and that requires adding another high end forward. I don't understand the logic that another expensive RW should be out of the question, when we have a spot on the roster where such a player would flourish.

If the argument is that we can't afford any high priced forward, well that's true to an extent, but it could be made to work. I don't see why having Perry/Silf means you don't look at any opportunities to add a high end RW.

 

[liquiduck]

Do you say the same when people suggest Landeskog, Nuge etc? We need to ice three good lines to be competitive and that requires adding another high end forward. I don't understand the logic that another expensive RW should be out of the question, when we have a spot on the roster where such a player would flourish.

If the argument is that we can't afford any high priced forward, well that's true to an extent, but it could be made to work. I don't see why having Perry/Silf means you don't look at any opportunities to add a high end RW.

The argument is we can't afford another high priced RW. Lando and Nuge I'm assuming will both make less than Kucherov for one. Second we have a real need for a LW or another center to push Rakell to the wing.

Unless we are pushing Silf out of the lineup, I don't see how we can fit kucherov in.

We don't have a single natural LW on the entire roster. Unless we count Ritchie, then we have one.

EDIT: Assets spent factor in here too. Are you ok spending major assets upgrading a position Anaheim already has covered when other, more dire, needs are present?

 

[Paul4587]

The argument is we can't afford another high priced RW. Lando and Nuge I'm assuming will both make less than Kucherov for one. Second we have a real need for a LW or another center to push Rakell to the wing.

Unless we are pushing Silf out of the lineup, I don't see how we can fit kucherov in.

We don't have a single natural LW on the entire roster. Unless we count Ritchie, then we have one.

EDIT: Assets spent factor in here too. Are you ok spending major assets upgrading a position Anaheim already has covered when other, more dire, needs are present?

Firstly, a winger is generally a winger. Most guys can switch sides without too many issues. It's a luxury to have everybody on their favorite side.

Secondly, we have no depth up front. Adding someone with that kind of talent gives us two awesome pairs for each line giving us three dangerous lines and all kinds of line matching ability.

 

[mytduxfan*]

The argument is we can't afford another high priced RW. Lando and Nuge I'm assuming will both make less than Kucherov for one. Second we have a real need for a LW or another center to push Rakell to the wing.

Unless we are pushing Silf out of the lineup, I don't see how we can fit kucherov in.

We don't have a single natural LW on the entire roster. Unless we count Ritchie, then we have one.

EDIT: Assets spent factor in here too. Are you ok spending major assets upgrading a position Anaheim already has covered when other, more dire, needs are present?

Kucherov would be an excellent addition. It really doesn't matter who plays on what side. As Heusy said, our top forward prospects are both LWs. However, it really doesn't matter. The offence can spread across multiple line, which is what I'd prefer anyway.

Not sure we'd have the pieces to get a deal done though and I doubt Kuch is even available. I'm sure SY is working on locking him down for the long-term.

 

[liquiduck]

Firstly, a winger is generally a winger. Most guys can switch sides without too many issues. It's a luxury to have everybody on their favorite side.

Secondly, we have no depth up front. Adding someone with that kind of talent gives us two awesome pairs for each line giving us three dangerous lines and all kinds of line matching ability.

Firstly, I don't know if that's true. Silf has not looked very good on the left side and Perry has literally never played the left side. Wingers are less versatile than centers, usually they play one side only.


Secondly, what kind of assets do you think anaheim gives up in a deal like this? Fowler doesn't fill a need for Tampa. Tampa can't trade salary for salary and neither can we. I don't see a deal that makes sense when you factor in the salary cap.

In a world without a cap sure i'd take Kucherov in a heartbeat. Unfortunatly that's not the NHL world we live in.

 

[liquiduck]

Kucherov would be an excellent addition. It really doesn't matter who plays on what side. As Heusy said, our top forward prospects are both LWs. However, it really doesn't matter. The offence can spread across multiple line, which is what I'd prefer anyway.

Not sure we'd have the pieces to get a deal done though and I doubt Kuch is even available. I'm sure SY is working on locking him down for the long-term.

Yes, it does matter who plays on what side. When is the last time Anaheim has had a winger play his offside? Bobby Ryan?

at least one of those two lw prospects would be going the other way for sure. And again, there is a salary cap. Kucherov is going to get 6.5+ mil aav.

I'm not arguning that he wouldn't make a great addition, he would. But I don't see a realistic fit here anyway you slice it.

 

[mytduxfan*]

Yes, it does matter who plays on what side. When is the last time Anaheim has has a winger play is offside? Bobby Ryan?

at least one of those two lw prospects would be going the other way for sure. And again, there is a salary cap. Kucherov is going to get 6.5+ mil aav. Like is said, it only works if the team is moving out Silf.

I'm not arguning that he wouldn't make a great addition, he would. But I don't see a realistic fit here anyway you slice it.

Yeah, Bobby Ryan... and what a flop he was, right?

It really doesn't matter. You're making a big deal out of nothing. If a 30 goal RH natural RW can still score 30 goals on the LW, who cares? Handedness is only an issue for the PP.

If moving Silf is what it takes to add a guy as good as Kucherov, you do it.

 

[liquiduck]

Yeah, Bobby Ryan... and what a flop he was, right?

It really doesn't matter. You're making a big deal out of nothing. If a 30 goal RH natural RW can still score 30 goals on the LW, who cares? Handedness is only an issue for the PP.

If moving Silf is what it takes to add a guy as good as Kucherov, you do it.

Big deal? I'm just saying it's a bad fit.

Ok then, come up with a deal that works both asset wise and financially . lets hear it.

By the way look around the league, how many wingers are playing their offside? You think that's a coincidence?

Edit: Maybe something like Rakell+ Vats would work. That matches up pretty close to solving the salary needs and what tampa probably wants back in a deal. That's a lot of assets for another RW. Although Tampa may not be able to take on that much salary. They could just pay Kucherov with that money.

 

[GoldiFox]

I'd do Hanifin+ or Faulk for Kucherov but a RD would have to come back

 

[Paul4587]

Firstly, I don't know if that's true. Silf has not looked very good on the left side and Perry has literally never played the left side. Wingers are less versatile than centers, usually they play one side only.


Secondly, what kind of assets do you think anaheim gives up in a deal like this? Fowler doesn't fill a need for Tampa. Tampa can't trade salary for salary and neither can we. I don't see a deal that makes sense when you factor in the salary cap.

In a world without a cap sure i'd take Kucherov in a heartbeat. Unfortunatly that's not the NHL world we live in.

Silfverberg played the left side in Ottawa and spent his first 10-15 or so games here on the left, putting up great numbers before getting hurt. He looked fine on both sides. Perry has played the left side when we had Lupul here when the twins played with him. Most wingers are very versatile, plenty of guys will prefer one side but it doesn't mean they can't play both. Kucherov is a LHS, I think he too could adapt fairly well to the LW.