GDT: Four Nations Tournament - Part 3 - Championship Game: USA vs Canada , Feb 20th @ 8pm ET (ESPN, ESPN+)

[SnowblindNYR]

You say that Fox was stuck in his own end and then say that Slavin and Faber were noticeable in good ways.

They were noticeable because I've never seen two guys defend so much in four games. Team USA never had the puck with them on the ice.

Sullivan playing them so much was unserious and he should never coach at this level again.

I can't believe I'm telling people with human words that Adam Fox is better than Jaccob Slavin. In other news, birds fly.

It's very tempting to be like "muh blocked shots" and "muh interceptions" because you're stuck in your own end. He's basicaly Lindgren if Lindgren were good at defending in his own end.

 

[Machinehead]

Fox went to the guy Hanifin was already covering off of the faceoff, leaving Marner totally alone in the corner.

Matthews skated towards Marner because he was alone, thanks to Fox, leaving McDavid open in the slot.

Anyone who’s ever played hockey knows what it feels like when somebody botches his coverage. It’s a confused scramble. That goal was definitely Fox’s fault.

It's definitely a bad feeling when somebody botches their coverage. Tough night for Auston Matthews.

 

[Machinehead]

Dude, you don't understand these 4 games were proof that Fox can't hang. I'd be embarrassed if I had that opinion. I used to think this board had the smartest Rangers fans in the world. Instead quite a few of the people here would in perfectly with the social media crowd. And it's not even an inability to analyze the game. I'm not great at Xs and Os by any stretch, but like forming simple logical conclusions. Players are playing with guys they've never played before and like you said they had different roles than they're used to. Honestly I saw McDavid has 3 goals and he's the best in the world but I didn't really see him do all that much in the games I've seen him. The GWG was a nice shot that Brandon Pirri could have scored on.

People are galaxy braining the X's and O's on that play.

"Fox sneezed yesterday and that caused Matthews to shift to a different man for some reason!"

Marner was never scoring from where he was. Matthews had McDavid covered and skated away from him because jamjars.

The absolute gymnastics to blame that goal on Fox.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

People are galaxy braining the X's and O's on that play.

"Fox sneezed yesterday and that caused Matthews to shift to a different man for some reason!"

Marner was never scoring from where he was. Matthews had McDavid covered and skated away from him because jamjars.

The absolute gymnastics to blame that goal on Fox.

If that were a Rangers game and it was Mika on the other end of it we'd have very different opinions on that play.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Fox went to the guy Hanifin was already covering off of the faceoff, leaving Marner totally alone in the corner.

Matthews skated towards Marner because he was alone, thanks to Fox, leaving McDavid open in the slot.

Anyone who’s ever played hockey knows what it feels like when somebody botches his coverage. It’s a confused scramble. That goal was definitely Fox’s fault.

I don't know whose fault the last goal was but it wasn't a good night or tournament for Fox or CK. Unless both have huge bounce backs I do not know if either will be on the USA Olympic team. Fox was racing back to make up for his lack of speed so he could turn around and face guys 30 feet out on rush plays. That strategy gives up too much space against these caliber guys.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't know whose fault the last goal was but it wasn't a good night or tournament for Fox or CK. Unless both have huge bounce backs I do not know if either will be on the USA Olympic team. Fox was racing back to make up for his lack of speed so he could turn around and face guys 30 feet out on rush plays. That strategy gives up too much space against these caliber guys.

If Fox dies, his body is making that roster.

We're approaching Facebook levels of insane discourse.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

If Fox dies, his body is making that roster.

We're approaching Facebook levels of insane discourse.

Honestly questioning if he makes the Olympics roster makes 100 times more sense than trading him because he sucks apparently. Because you could at least make a conceivable argument that Fox's strengths are not aligned with an All Star tournament with players that he has no experience playing with. Or whatever other thing you could think of. But yeah, it makes 100 times more sense to question his US team abilities over his NHL abilities. And even then it was 4 f***ing games.

 

[Machinehead]

Honestly questioning if he makes the Olympics roster makes 100 times more sense than trading him because he sucks apparently. Because you could at least make a conceivable argument that Fox's strengths are not aligned with an All Star tournament with players that he has no experience playing with. Or whatever other thing you could think of. But yeah, it makes 100 times more sense to question his US team abilities over his NHL abilities. And even then it was 4 f***ing games.

Quinn Hughes is still the only American defenseman that can find Adam Fox on a map and again, I can't believe I'm having to say this.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

LOL, main boards all but one person are blaming Mathews for the GWG. Only person not blaming him is a Leafs fan. And yet galaxy brain Rangers board that hates its own players are blaming Fox.

 

[Machinehead]

This board has never been more exhausting than it was during this tournament and I was here for Rick Nash.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

USA really cooked with that Kyle Connor scratch. That was Gallant/AV-esque dressing Kreider, then barely playing him at all while injured Matthew tkachuk couldn’t even get through half the game. It’s like they just trolled trying to win with a short bench for shits and giggles. Also Trocheck and Nelson were on for 0-7 and 0-8 high dangers respectively, most of any players on the team. I’m so tired of rooting for teams prioritizing intangibles over hockey ability

 

[NickyFotiu]

If Fox dies, his body is making that roster.

We're approaching Facebook levels of insane discourse.

If coaches were picking tonight I would be shocked if Fox made it. Look at his minutes played in this tournament. Does that look like someone they had faith in? Maybe he can bounce back and make it but as of tonight?

 

[Machinehead]

If coaches were picking tonight I would be shocked if Fox made it. Look at his minutes played in this tournament. Does that look like someone they had faith in? Maybe he can bounce back and make it but as of tonight?

David Quinn is responsible for those decisions, so...yeah.

 

[Guyute]

LOL, main boards all but one person are blaming Mathews for the GWG. Only person not blaming him is a Leafs fan. And yet galaxy brain Rangers board that hates its own players are blaming Fox.

Finally rewatched the goal, and yes you’re correct that Matthews had no reason to leave McDavid alone.

That said, you’re crazy if you think Fox didn’t suck in this tournament. If Quinn Hughes is healthy next year, I think they make Fox the 7D.

 

[Machinehead]

USA really cooked with that Kyle Connor scratch. That was Gallant/AV-esque dressing Kreider, then barely playing him at all while injured Matthew tkachuk couldn’t even get through half the game. It’s like they just trolled trying to win with a short bench for shits and giggles. Also Trocheck and Nelson were on for 0-7 and 0-8 high dangers respectively, most of any players on the team. I’m so tired of rooting for teams prioritizing intangibles over hockey ability

lol remember when AV ran the 11-6 in a game 7?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Finally rewatched the goal, and yes you’re correct that Matthews had no reason to leave McDavid alone.

That said, you’re crazy if you think Fox didn’t suck in this tournament. If Quinn Hughes is healthy next year, I think they make Fox the 7D.

Oh man you really wanted the last word on your hate porn. Yes, yes every Ranger ever sucks.

 

[NickyFotiu]

David Quinn is responsible for those decisions, so...yeah.

Do you really think Sully, Guerin and others wanted Fox to be playing more and David Quinn said no? I respect your support but its getting a bit out there.

 

[TheWrongWay]

In all fairness, Canada pulled some of the same shit with Cirelli, Hagel, 60 year old Doughty, and Sanheim who nearly assisted on an Auston Matthews winner.

But you're absolutely right. Especially with the coaching decisions.

It's Team USA. The roster will be good even with some questionable choices. Then sitting your questionable choices was very AV and they leaned hard on absolutely their worst pair because they do things and stuff.

When you get on your fairly consistent self-righteous high horse of thinking you know more than NHL coaches, I am curious to know what exactly you are basing that on?

Is it all the Stanley Cups and exceptional seasons you've coached in the NHL? Seriously, have you coached any hockey team to any actual real world success?

We watched a game tonight where the two head coaches won, I believe, 4 of the last 9 Cups.

Do the actuaries, office managers, IT guys, (insert whatever other non-hockey job title here) seriously believe they know more about coaching an NHL team than the two guys who won 4 of the last 9 Stanley Cups?

What people here are relying on are stats (which are inherintly flawed because no one stat covers all scenarios and situations well) and eye test (which is likewise flawed, because individual viewers can only see so much at a live game and only see small parts of the game on TV based on what the TV cameras allow them to see).

Coaches have all the same stats. They have real world experience in the actual job. Most of them have experience playing at that level or close to it. They have all the home ice TV footage at their disposal to pour over. They have multiple sets of eyes which can focus on different parts of the ice to collaborate with for further and more in-depth eye test, video review, and cross-comparison.

I grasp it is a message board and people are gonna sling shit. But for any random person who has never coached at that level or any level close to it to think they are superior or know more than the people actually doing it is utterly comical.

I played pickup into my 30s with mostly 20-35 year old div 1, div 2 and career minor leaguers. One pickup game, a mid-50s very over-weight hall of fame NHL player showed at one of our pickup games. He destroyed all of us. Maybe that put some humility and reality into me. But the NHL is the absolute most elite level of hockey. For anyone with no coaching experience at that level (or close to that level) thinking they have shit on the people doing it in real life... you're deluding yourselves.

 

[Machinehead]

Do you really think Sully, Guerin and others wanted Fox to be playing more and David Quinn said no? I respect your support but its getting a bit out there.

I don't care what any of these CTE cases think. They f***ed it up. Their usage for this roster was a joke.

 

[Machinehead]

Oh man you really wanted the last word on your hate porn. Yes, yes every Ranger ever sucks.

 

[Machinehead]

When you get on your fairly consistent self-righteous high horse of thinking you know more than NHL coaches, I am curious to know what exactly you are basing that on?

Is it all the Stanley Cups and exceptional seasons you've coached in the NHL? Seriously, have you coached any hockey team to any actual real world success?

We watched a game tonight where the two head coaches won, I believe, 4 of the last 9 Cups.

Do the actuaries, office managers, IT guys, (insert whatever other non-hockey job title here) seriously believe they know more about coaching an NHL team than the two guys who won 4 of the last 9 Stanley Cups?

What people here are relying on are stats (which are inherintly flawed because no one stat covers all scenarios and situations well) and eye test (which is likewise flawed, because individual viewers can only see so much at a live game and only see small parts of the game on TV based on what the TV cameras allow them to see).

Coaches have all the same stats. They have real world experience in the actual job. Most of them have experience playing at that level or close to it. They have all the home ice TV footage at their disposal to pour over. They have multiple sets of eyes which can focus on different parts of the ice to collaborate with for further and more in-depth eye test, video review, and cross-comparison.

I grasp it is a message board and people are gonna sling shit. But for any random person who has never coached at that level or any level close to it to think they are superior or know more than the people actually doing it is utterly comical.

I played pickup into my 30s with mostly 20-35 year old div 1, div 2 and career minor leaguers. One pickup game, a mid-50s very over-weight hall of fame NHL player showed at one of our pickup games. He destroyed all of us. Maybe that put some humility and reality into me. But the NHL is the absolute most elite level of hockey. For anyone with no coaching experience at that level (or close to that level) thinking they have shit on the people doing it in real life... you're deluding yourselves.

I don't care what they've won.

Coaches in the NHL have done plenty of things that I know they're wrong about.

They're not sacrosanct.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

lol remember when AV ran the 11-6 in a game 7?

I was pretty young so you gotta remind me. But fresh in my mind is them planning to have Nemeth rot on the bench (preferable to him playing) while Lindgren was in and out of the locker room with an eviscerated knee throughout a playoff series. Why do these coaches just mail in the bottom part of their lineup? One goal decides the game and you just throw away 10 minutes on guys who suck or just benching them and running your top guys into the ground

 

[TheWrongWay]

I don't care what they've won.

Coaches in the NHL have done plenty of things that I know they're wrong about.

They're not sacrosanct.

So my question in my very first sentence, you've got nothing? No answer to it. Got it.

 

[Machinehead]

I was pretty young so you gotta remind me. But fresh in my mind is them planning to have Nemeth rot on the bench while Lindgren was in and out of the locker room with an eviscerated knee throughout a playoff series. Why do these coaches just mail in the bottom part of their lineup? One goal decides the game and you just throw away 10 minutes on guys who suck or just benching them and double shifting

It was game 7 against the Lightning in 2015,

McDonagh literally had a broken foot and couldn't stand up straight, and naturally the Rangers were just like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ like Team USA was with Matt Tkachuk tonight.

But AV had this great idea. He would scratch a forward and have Matt Hunwick on the bench in case McDonagh couldn't go, which he absolutely couldn't, but he did anyway, and Hunwick played 0:00.

So AV played 11 forwards and 5 able-bodied defensemen in a game 7. And I'm not allowed to criticize coaches because I never coached.

 

[Machinehead]

So my question in my very first sentence, you've got nothing? No answer to it. Got it.

I answered that question. I'm basing it on the fact that coaches have done extremely stupid things right there on national television and everyone saw it.

Why do you think they're infallible?