GDT: Four Nations Tournament - Part 3 - Championship Game: USA vs Canada , Feb 20th @ 8pm ET (ESPN, ESPN+)

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I used to think goals mattered until I read the Adam Fox thread
Assuming this is reference to so many still saying how good fox is yet he has hardly scored any goals in the last calendar year? It's almost like the most derogatory posters here are also the ones that cherry pick things the most when it's convenient for them.
 
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Assuming this is reference to so many still saying how good fox is yet he has hardly scored any goals in the last calendar year? It's almost like the most derogatory posters here are also the ones that cherry pick things the most when it's convenient for them.
That was reference to the fact that he's +12 at 5v5 on a team that's -3, and by extension, -15 when he's not on the ice.
 
I thought we'd banished +/- to the shadow realm forever?
There's nothing wrong with actual 5v5 +/- if the sample is large.

Traditional +/- counts all sorts of voodoo bullshit that's not 5v5.

And of course you have to account for linemates which f***ing LMAO in Fox's case.
 
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Jack Hughes sucks
It’s because despite a hundred years of evolution you still need toughness to win it all. Small soft perimeter shit dries up when time and space gets taken away. See Panarin, Marner, even Fox. You need big tough skilled guys around the net. Maybe Drury can tamper and have Miller plant the seed to get Brady out of Ottawa.
 
Kreider made a career out of scoring goals like that.Probably why his back is so f***ed up now

Not really like that, honestly. Tap ins and deflections, yes, and took a beating yes. But that’s greasy, crashing the net ugly. Just because it’s from the same area of the ice doesn’t make it the same type of goal. No rangers score goals that greasy.
 

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