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Even Darnell Nurse.

His ability to actually skate and rush pucks would be massive for this plodding team. There is just no way he doesn’t vastly outplay what we’ve seen from Parayko and Sanheim (who I thought was ok tonight), Toews and possibly Morrisey too.

The number of times we had plays go sideways on us for no reason other than our d men got caught too deep and were too slow to recover was way too many.
I’m fine with Makar-Toews, Morrisey and Theodore but so many better choices for D.
 
There are 100 players in this tournament.

If all was equal every team would have 3.

But teams are not all equal… we are literally in the top five teams for the last two-three years, finalists last year….

And we have two…

With a 50 goal scorer and 82 point record breaking defenseman sitting out…

It’s really unbelievable to me.

Coops gotta make sure his line 2 are all in the line up. Point I’m fine with but f***ing Cirelli and Hagel? “Best on best”?

And then Parayko because Armstrong gotta plug his peeps.

And then Marchand cuz Sweeney gotta have a say too. I get he was a soldier but the game has moved way too fast for the old man.

It’s hilarious how the Athletic is trying to say maybe Crosby is hurt. No. He doesn’t look hurt. He’s just getting older. Rather than focus on McDavid and MacKinnon and the future, it’s still the Crosby story with Hockey Canada

Like I said in ATL, legacy picks.

Ironically the player I didn’t agree with most (Doughty) was probably the least offensive to me least night.
 
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Point taken.

This is beyond the reach of many families who are struggling just to make ends meet. No wonder that a lot of people are encouraging their kids to play basketball or soccer.
I was playing minor hockey during the aluminum stick days. My family couldn’t afford the $20 to constantly change blades so I just never took slap shots.I couldn’t imagine a struggling family now trying to buy the new sticks that break way easier.
 
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I don't know how you do that now. Hockey sticks are $400 now. Top hockey schools are, like, $30K. It's insane.
It really has gone crazy. Life is so expensive in general and hockey is just a huge luxury many parents cannot swing. And it’s not just the $, but also the time commitment. Two working parents trying to get their kids to all the practices and game? If you have more than one kid playing, you never see your spouse for months.

One thing that may be controversial to say, but I think a lot of these hockey schools are unnecessary and these “elite camps” that charge big money for kids to “get noticed” border on scams. They prey on parents who are afraid of not giving their kid every opportunity. Talent gets recognized and a lot of parents could keep that money in their pockets.
 
Point taken.

This is beyond the reach of many families who are struggling just to make ends meet. No wonder that a lot of people are encouraging their kids to play basketball or soccer.
Was actually buying my little girl some skates last night went to the shop I bought all my hockey stuff as a kid. Talking with the owner. He said the sport has really slowed down and says it's just to much for most people to play now. That's sad to think. But also goes to show why sports like basket ball soccer and even baseball are so popular when they are so cheap cheap to play
 
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No. He can be a defensive presence and netfront guy/triggerman while Connor/Sid work their magic in the ozone. Kinda like how Hyman doesnt get near the touches he normally would when he is playing with McDrai and Bouch on the ice. He'll forecheck, work on the boards and as soon as he gets the puck, off to Leon/Connor/Bouchard it goes. Look at Stone's goal in game 1, disrupts play in the dzone then gets the puck right to Crosby who pushes the D back to find an open Stone at the other end.

Do I mean he will literally never touch the puck? Obviously not, don't be pedantic. But if your on a line with 2 goats, your probably not gonna be the one carrying the puck or making plays. But the other stuff in a game? Stone is maybe our best forward at those things.
Hyman gets plenty of puck touches.

Stone wasn’t disrupting anything yesterday.
 
Coops gotta make sure his line 2 are all in the line up. Point I’m fine with but f***ing Cirelli and Hagel? “Best on best”?

And then Parayko because Armstrong gotta plug his peeps.

And then Marchand cuz Sweeney gotta have a say too. I get he was a soldier but the game has moved way too fast for the old man.

It’s hilarious how the Athletic is trying to say maybe Crosby is hurt. No. He doesn’t look hurt. He’s just getting older. Rather than focus on McDavid and MacKinnon and the future, it’s still the Crosby story with Hockey Canada

Like I said in ATL, legacy picks.

Ironically the player I didn’t agree with most (Doughty) was probably the least offensive to me least night.
Everything about this is true and what’s wrong with hockey in Canada. Half the team is made up of political pics. Everyone in management that touches the team needs to make sure their guy or guys are on the team. It’s not about the best players or building the best team. It’s much more important to be fluffing management egos.

The USA actually had their eye on the prize when they built their team.

Hyman gets plenty of puck touches.

Stone wasn’t disrupting anything yesterday.
Stone is too slow to fit in on those lines. Can’t disrupt cause he can’t keep up.
 
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Hyman gets plenty of puck touches.

Stone wasn’t disrupting anything yesterday.
Okay sure, Hyman is the guy controlling play in a lineup with Mcdrai and Bouchard, deffinitely not just working to maintain possession and deferring to those guys, while also trying to get into scoring areas. Nope, we made the finals last year on the back of Hyman being our offensive driver.

Mark Stone also sucks and is useless and the US didn't just play great defensively. Hes certainly not a guy who has 20% of team Canada's goals, doing exactly what he should (and what I said). Nope, just sucks. Couldn't be that he was put together with Davo after the US was already up and locking it down. He definitely doesn't have a history of being a big game player, nor a guy who can turn tides defensively.

We'll just assume those ridiculous opinions are true I guess. Unbelievable.
 
Everything about this is true and what’s wrong with hockey in Canada. Half the team is made up of political pics. Everyone in management that touches the team needs to make sure their guy or guys are on the team. It’s not about the best players or building the best team. It’s much more important to be fluffing management egos.

The USA actually had their eye on the prize when they built their team.


Stone is too slow to fit in on those lines. Can’t disrupt cause he can’t keep up.


This in a nutshell. I mean Thompson was allegedly left off team because he didn’t get along with Doboer and Kassidy.

I knew when HC made their picks, it’s gonna be a tough tourney. “Smartest in the room” selections.
 
The one good thing is Mcdavid had that extra pep in his step. I'm sure the Oilers will see that "pep" come playoffs :)
His skating was good but his stickhandling and shot still don't look like they are on point. Marner was also taking a bunch of draws on that line which leads me to believe that Connor is hurt.
 
Okay sure, Hyman is the guy controlling play in a lineup with Mcdrai and Bouchard, deffinitely not just working to maintain possession and deferring to those guys, while also trying to get into scoring areas. Nope, we made the finals last year on the back of Hyman being our offensive driver.

Mark Stone also sucks and is useless and the US didn't just play great defensively. Hes certainly not a guy who has 20% of team Canada's goals, doing exactly what he should (and what I said). Nope, just sucks. Couldn't be that he was put together with Davo after the US was already up and locking it down. He definitely doesn't have a history of being a big game player, nor a guy who can turn tides defensively.

We'll just assume those ridiculous opinions are true I guess. Unbelievable.
lol I said none of those things.

I said Stone doesn’t have chemistry with them and wasn’t effective yesterday.

I said Hyman gets plenty of puck touches.

You’re projecting massively here for some reason.
 
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Okay sure, Hyman is the guy controlling play in a lineup with Mcdrai and Bouchard, deffinitely not just working to maintain possession and deferring to those guys, while also trying to get into scoring areas. Nope, we made the finals last year on the back of Hyman being our offensive driver.

Mark Stone also sucks and is useless and the US didn't just play great defensively. Hes certainly not a guy who has 20% of team Canada's goals, doing exactly what he should (and what I said). Nope, just sucks. Couldn't be that he was put together with Davo after the US was already up and locking it down. He definitely doesn't have a history of being a big game player, nor a guy who can turn tides defensively.

We'll just assume those ridiculous opinions are true I guess. Unbelievable.
20% of a teams goals means nothing in a two game sample size. One goal is one goal.
 
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Some late thoughts:

That felt very Oileresque to me. Even gave me mild SCF Game 7 flashbacks just with Reinhart on the other side lol. Connor must have felt at home.

Speaking of Connor, AMAZING goal in the first period. I hope we see some more of that down the stretch and into the playoffs. Then he passed off that slot shot. Yikes.

I felt like I was watching Stu Skinner rather than Binnington. Same weak-ass goals. Not terrible, but not exactly clutch. McDavid literally shaking his head after the first goal. Must have PTSD by now.

Crosby was amazing in the first game but not so great in this one. Terrible giveaway to spring the Larkin goal. And MacKinnon's face may as well have been a milk carton for all the hype on him this season.
 
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His skating was good but his stickhandling and shot still don't look like they are on point. Marner was also taking a bunch of draws on that line which leads me to believe that Connor is hurt.
Interesting observation.
Connor also was passing off and looking for plays when he should have just been shooting.
Aside from a few bursts he still doesnt look like himself to me and if he is in fact injured then he shouldnt be there at all IMO.

On another note...I reluctantly watched the game last night (starved for hockey) and was pleasantly surprised by the very high level of intensity. Based on that game alone I am quite willing to retract my skepticism about this tourament especially if it replaces the crappy All Star stuff.
That was some compelling hockey and a clear step up from the NHL regular season.

I also agree with the posters that said it reminded them of the SCF.
What looks earily similar to me is the lack of space and time Canada had to set up in the offensive zone.

Very few uncontested shots in high danger areas for team Canada.
The US played that smothering system to a 'T' and unless the Canadian coaches can come up with a counter strategy...something to open up the ice... this tournamnet is a done deal IMO.
The US will win it.

The problem is...based on the lineup Team Canada has...I cant forsee a counter strategy to the style of play the US employs. This is not a heavy team and to ask this team (a skill team) to slog through sticks and bodies to create scoring chances is counter to their strengths. Especially once the US gets the lead.
We saw Team Canada players consistently over passing (to try and find some open ice) as a result.

Ultimately I dont think that Team Canada was built properly for this tournament.

The only chance I think they have is to cheat for offence and try to score off the rush.
Try and create odd man rushes. Once the US sets up then Canada produces very little in the way of chances.
All Helle has to do is be solid positionally and prevent/smother rebound chances.
He doesnt need to be spectacular.

I see the same thing with the Oilers...when the game gets played in the mud (so to speak...very few uncontested shots) this team is not a very good stylistic fit to produce against a system like that.
Its just not (functionally) heavy enough at all.

I sincerlely hope that Knoblauch and Bowman are going to school on this tournament because its a prelude of whats to come for this team in the back end of the playoffs.
 
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I was playing minor hockey during the aluminum stick days. My family couldn’t afford the $20 to constantly change blades so I just never took slap shots.I couldn’t imagine a struggling family now trying to buy the new sticks that break way easier.
Yes, used to work in my Dad's hardware store and ten bucks was considered an average price for a stick. If you are a struggling family today, how can you risk your kid breaking a 400 buck stick every month?
 
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