Player Discussion: Former Bolts Thread

[DFC]

Nashville really might just burn that thing down.

 

[These Are The Days]

Nashville really might just burn that thing down.

I think they'd fire Bruno first but that doesn't mean they won't burn it down. Idk if anyone would bite on Stamkos at less than 50%

 

[DFC]

I think they'd fire Bruno first but that doesn't mean they won't burn it down. Idk if anyone would bite on Stamkos at less than 50%

They're just not well constructed. I'm not sure how much value Stamkos has even at 50%. He has 3 5v5 points.

Problem is, yeah, 4m, but then you need a 10m player, minimum, to make him produce.

 

[These Are The Days]

They're just not well constructed. I'm not sure how much value Stamkos has even at 50%. He has 3 5v5 points.

Problem is, yeah, 4m, but then you need a 10m player, minimum, to make him produce.

Funny enough. That is exactly what he would have if he came back.

It *might* be crazy enough to work.

Stamkos-Point-Kucherov
Hagel-Cirelli-Geekie
Paul-Guentzel -> assuming this keeps panning out

Assume the Preds keep bottoming out like this. We could offer Shaugabay and a 2nd for Stamkos at 50% and it would be one of the better offers they'd see. Not when you have Josi and Forsberg that can be had for king's ransoms

But allow me to admit I'm kind of forcing this scenario to work.

 

[DFC]

Funny enough. That is exactly what he would have if he came back.

It *might* be crazy enough to work.

Stamkos-Point-Kucherov
Hagel-Cirelli-Geekie
Paul-Guentzel -> assuming this keeps panning out

Assume the Preds keep bottoming out like this. We could offer Shaugabay and a 2nd for Stamkos at 50% and it would be one of the better offers they'd see. Not when you have Josi and Forsberg that can be had for king's ransoms

But allow me to admit I'm kind of forcing this scenario to work.

Honestly I'm starting to think we offered him 2 or 3m because that's what he might really be worth. He would be a PP specialist here who holds us back 5v5. I don't think we could let him play in the top-six because most other options would be better. That was pretty true last year too.

I think Stamkos's career might have a sad end. He might lead the Preds tank for a year or so before deciding it's not worth it. And I don't know anymore if they would have reason to buy him out.

 

[Felonious Python]

Nashville really might just burn that thing down.

I feel like the public narrative in the last few months on full rebuilds have turned negative, so Nashville might be looking at changes, but they wouldn't really be burning it down.

Trotz would know better than most GMs about coaches, so it'd be interesting if he made a move there. It seems like there's a lot of coaches who have trouble with durability, and Brunette might be one. Keep in mind that his head coaching experience is still pretty limited.

I don't think that Stamkos would be on the move (at least yet). They have an underperforming roster. Exactly what Nashville needs is leadership.

 

[Sky04]

Signing Stamkos sunk that team. He was quoted saying some players need to work harder on that team because they're not scoring, one of those things where he's saying the right thing but completely hypocritical compared to his own game. He floats a ton and is one of the worst defensive forwards in a top-6, not sure how that's received on a team that doesn't revere him.

 

[Felonious Python]

Signing Stamkos sunk that team. He was quoted saying some players need to work harder on that team because they're not scoring, one of those things where he's saying the right thing but completely hypocritical compared to his own game. He floats a ton and is one of the worst defensive forwards in a top-6, not sure how that's received on a team that doesn't revere him.

I haven't watched Nashville when they aren't playing the Lightning, but that's an interesting thought. Stamkos could kind of just fire clappers with us because, to an extent, he had paid his dues. That might not carry over to the Perds.

I guess that's the difference between a superstar and a legend.

 

[LordStanlersCup]

Funny enough. That is exactly what he would have if he came back.

It *might* be crazy enough to work.

Stamkos-Point-Kucherov
Hagel-Cirelli-Geekie
Paul-Guentzel -> assuming this keeps panning out

Assume the Preds keep bottoming out like this. We could offer Shaugabay and a 2nd for Stamkos at 50% and it would be one of the better offers they'd see. Not when you have Josi and Forsberg that can be had for king's ransoms

But allow me to admit I'm kind of forcing this scenario to work.

According to reports JBB offered Stammer 3m and Stammer was asking for 4-5m so even with 50% retention it doesn't seem like JBB would be interested. Also can a player be reacquired within a calendar year with salary retained if they left in FA? I know it's not allowed in the CBA if the player was traded away by the orginal team but I am not sure what happens if they leave in FA.

 

[These Are The Days]

According to reports JBB offered Stammer 3m and Stammer was asking for 4-5m so even with 50% retention it doesn't seem like JBB would be interested. Also can a player be reacquired within a calendar year with salary retained if they left in FA? I know it's not allowed in the CBA if the player was traded away by the orginal team but I am not sure what happens if they leave in FA.

I don't think there wasn't a lack of desire on our end to sign him. I think there was just so much else to do that was going to take every penny of cap space that we didn't prioritize Stamkos over it. I dont think that is something anyone would take that personally. You can't take that personally in the world of sports. As far as I know he is fair game to be traded back to us at any time. Every time I look at the guy he is more and more homesick.

He looks completely washed at even strength but a good power play on this team would make us very, very, very hard to beat

 

[LordStanlersCup]

I don't think there wasn't a lack of desire on our end to sign him. I think there was just so much else to do that was going to take every penny of cap space that we didn't prioritize Stamkos over it. I dont think that is something anyone would take that personally. You can't take that personally in the world of sports. As far as I know he is fair game to be traded back to us at any time. Every time I look at the guy he is more and more homesick.

He looks completely washed at even strength but a good power play on this team would make us very, very, very hard to beat

I think they might have been able to squeeze him in if they did a sign and trade for Guentzel to get the 8th year and lower the AAV and only run a 21 man roster but there definitely would have been concessions made.

I was thinking the same thing with the Powerplay but after Point switched out of the bumper to the left side the Powerplay has been clicking at 43% so maybe they don't need another right shot but time will tell.

 

[DFC]

I don't think there wasn't a lack of desire on our end to sign him. I think there was just so much else to do that was going to take every penny of cap space that we didn't prioritize Stamkos over it. I dont think that is something anyone would take that personally. You can't take that personally in the world of sports. As far as I know he is fair game to be traded back to us at any time. Every time I look at the guy he is more and more homesick.

He looks completely washed at even strength but a good power play on this team would make us very, very, very hard to beat

Stamkos looked to me like he took it pretty personally.

I just don't think we could pay him 4m to just shoot on the PP.

I think they might have been able to squeeze him in if they did a sign and trade for Guentzel to get the 8th year and lower the AAV and only run a 21 man roster but there definitely would have been concessions made.

I was thinking the same thing with the Powerplay but after Point switched out of the bumper to the left side the Powerplay has been clicking at 43% so maybe they don't need another right shot but time will tell.

Yeah I think the PP has to be solved from within. We have plenty of talent still here.

 

[JoVel]

But imagine how funny it'd be if we brough Stamkos back at 50% and he went right back to 40 goal pace from those Kucherov passes.

 

[Peacefool]

But imagine how funny it'd be if we brough Stamkos back at 50% and he went right back to 40 goal pace from those Kucherov passes.

and trade him at tdl for idk Tkachuk from OTT

 

[These Are The Days]

Stamkos looked to me like he took it pretty personally.

I just don't think we could pay him 4m to just shoot on the PP.

Sorry. I meant not so personally that he wouldn't come back at the first opportunity. But you are right. $4 million to shoot onesies all night is an incredibly expensive investment that even I have a hard time justifying. That's why I drew the lineup with him next to Point and Kucherov. Stamkos would at least sneeze some even strength goals with those guys.

But again, I'm really forcing the heck out of this idea. I am only really doing it because I know our (current) even strength play has finally gotten sustainable enough to where I can (sort of) rationalize Stamkos as a power play merchant. And with said even strength play we would be on the verge of unstoppable if the power play was clicking at like 20%+ or whatever our average always was that was completely bonkers.

 

[DFC]

Sorry. I meant not so personally that he wouldn't come back at the first opportunity. But you are right. $4 million to shoot onesies all night is an incredibly expensive investment that even I have a hard time justifying. That's why I drew the lineup with him next to Point and Kucherov. Stamkos would at least sneeze some even strength goals with those guys.

But again, I'm really forcing the heck out of this idea. I am only really doing it because I know our (current) even strength play has finally gotten sustainable enough to where I can (sort of) rationalize Stamkos as a power play merchant. And with said even strength play we would be on the verge of unstoppable if the power play was clicking at like 20%+ or whatever our average always was that was completely bonkers.

Yeah. To me, Stamkos in 2024 would be the 3rd option for 1LW behind Guentzel and Hagel.

I think his 5v5 numbers wouldn't be much better here than in Nashville if he were playing in the bottom 6. I mean, they were putrid last year until the TDL, when he got hot and at least got them up past Cirelli's.

And the PP has begun to find its way. I think we will be fine there come playoff time. Maybe not #1 in the league, but very dangerous, but so much improved 5v5 that I think it's hard to imagine us not being better than last year. I mean, don't get me wrong, we need a lot to go right to be a serious threat for a cup. But no sane person would completely count out a team with this core.

 

[DFC]

I feel like the public narrative in the last few months on full rebuilds have turned negative, so Nashville might be looking at changes, but they wouldn't really be burning it down.

Trotz would know better than most GMs about coaches, so it'd be interesting if he made a move there. It seems like there's a lot of coaches who have trouble with durability, and Brunette might be one. Keep in mind that his head coaching experience is still pretty limited.

I don't think that Stamkos would be on the move (at least yet). They have an underperforming roster. Exactly what Nashville needs is leadership.

I think they really, really need a 1C. And that's hard to acquire without a rebuild.

I agree that Stamkos is unlikely to move because I think it's getting exposed how dependant he is, and has been for a while, on someone to create plays. I always say this, but he's only ever had long term chemistry with two guys, and it's hard to imagine Nashville finding a player of that caliber to get the most out of Stamkos.

I thought he would be like 30-30 this year, but he's clearly gonna have to heat up for that. Lots of negativity around that team right now.

The guy I'd still be most interested in is O'Reilly. Getting a decent version of ROR, to me, would make us a real contender.

 

[LightningStrikes]

ROR at $4.5M cap hit should be feasible. The question is what Nashville is looking for in a trade.

Of course he’s not a ROR type of player but I’m also liking Jankowski for a potential trade target.

On paper the Preds really looked stacked, it’s weird how bad they are in reality.

 

[DFC]

ROR at $4.5M cap hit should be feasible. The question is what Nashville is looking for in a trade.

Of course he’s not a ROR type of player but I’m also liking Jankowski for a potential trade target.

On paper the Preds really looked stacked, it’s weird how bad they are in reality.

IMO it's because their centers are bad, and they don't have enough guys who can really create space. ROR, much as I want him, is probably a 3C on a contender, not a 1C.

Point
Cirelli
ROR

That's like the most defensively responsible center core in the history of hockey.

Problem is there'd be a bidding war and Nashville already has all our best assets.

 

[Stammertime91]

IMO it's because their centers are bad, and they don't have enough guys who can really create space. ROR, much as I want him, is probably a 3C on a contender, not a 1C.

Point
Cirelli
ROR

That's like the most defensively responsible center core in the history of hockey.

Problem is there'd be a bidding war and Nashville already has all our best assets.

I want nothing to do with Nashville anymore. Too much trauma through highs and lows.

 

[Sky04]

Yeah give me RoR over Stamkos from Nashville, we've been able to mix lines to a degree of success this year, Stamkos would just ruin that.

 

[bov]

Nashville is top heavy, great high end talent but there's a pretty big dropoff after their core group of players. They need a top 6 C and a top 4 D to be a contender imo.

 

[Rschmitz]

ROR would be my #1 target if we needed faceoff help and a defensive minded 3C but we don't, we have our own version of him in Nick Paul.

 

[OffBy1]

IMO it's because their centers are bad, and they don't have enough guys who can really create space. ROR, much as I want him, is probably a 3C on a contender, not a 1C.

Point
Cirelli
ROR

That's like the most defensively responsible center core in the history of hockey.

Problem is there'd be a bidding war and Nashville already has all our best assets.

Don't intend to turn this into a Nashville chat, but why aren't they playing Forsberg at center? I thought he played that position most of his career.

 

[DrMartinVanNostrand]

Even if Stamkos has obvious chemistry to fall back on here, 1 goal and 2 assists at EV in 27 games pretty much tells you all you need to know.