GKJ
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Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick
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FLYguy3911
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Hobey finalist. Didn't even lead his team in points.
A legend in his own mind. Most of these guys wind up not living up to the hype they get.
Magua
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FLYguy3911
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Fully expect him to break Ryan Potulny's modern day goal scoring season next week just because they said his value would never be higher than after the WJCs.
Beef Invictus
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It's truly fascinating how Gauthier didn't get this level of hype until giving it out became a shot at the Flyers
BackToTheBrierePatch
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Cutter went from being viewed as a one trick pony to future NHL legend just by changing teams
Magua
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Can we at least entertain the possibility that keeping the trade request a media secret meant nothing and the Flyers rushed into a trade on January 8th, with 18-20 suitors, for a player with development time missed/spoiled, attaching themselves to the superficiality of a former 6th overall RHD profile at the advice of Super Defense Guru, Bob Murray?
(I'm still very okay with Drysdale's season getting a mulligan. There's a future where he's a 2nd pair guy. Injuries factored. But the risk-reward was always misconstrued at both ends and the narratives were story hour as the team did a bat flip thinking it was a home run.)
(I'm still very okay with Drysdale's season getting a mulligan. There's a future where he's a 2nd pair guy. Injuries factored. But the risk-reward was always misconstrued at both ends and the narratives were story hour as the team did a bat flip thinking it was a home run.)
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FLYguy3911
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You won't convince me the idea of adding a player this season, for the immediate gratification of an over-performing team, didn't factor in.
I think this is one of the most important value trades in recent years, and the process was so horribly terribly botched. For the "Briere has done so well" people, this was the major trade so far with any difficulty setting beyond Easy or Normal.
Nizzle
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Didn’t they hype the fact that they got ”already established” player?
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Right but he’s still good and not a common skill set.
You have think they saw a bump for the PP as a big plus. Pretty sure the PP got worse.
Magua
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The playmaking element he displayed his first couple weeks totally evaporating is what I want answers to......he devolved into Radko Gudas with his shot selection. Except Radko is less passive activating.
Visually, pre-injury, he pretty clearly looked like the most dynamic PP presence up top. The PP is so grossly mismanaged, I'm in write-off territory, besides prior evaluations.
I said this with York every time pre and post-draft: I never saw PP1 QB skills. My threshold is very very high. And he's underperformed my conservative offensive projections, if anything! Drysdale has more weapons. Is he a PP1 guy? He'll get every opportunity, so there's that.
Visually, pre-injury, he pretty clearly looked like the most dynamic PP presence up top. The PP is so grossly mismanaged, I'm in write-off territory, besides prior evaluations.
I said this with York every time pre and post-draft: I never saw PP1 QB skills. My threshold is very very high. And he's underperformed my conservative offensive projections, if anything! Drysdale has more weapons. Is he a PP1 guy? He'll get every opportunity, so there's that.
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The fact that people think Briere is doing well is a testament to how intensely awful the failson Fletcher was.
Nonetheless it was a committee. They kept the committee.
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It's not a mystery. Flyers get an offensively minded dman and they feel the need to teach them old fashioned defense. The way it has always been. It's a deep seated need
reminds me more of the Jedi council and we know how that turned out
Magua
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I agree with you with past cases, but in this instance, they gave a young offensive minded player a long leash with set-in-stone usage independent of results, didn't overly harp on the defense (as he was often burned), and hyped him as a rover. I'd love to rip the team, but I don't think they did nothing wrong with Drysdale in his 21 games. Hell, I applaud them for it. But I think it's a shiny new outlier based on how much they invested in him. The thing with Drysdale is he actually needs to showcase his offense.
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Injuries don't necessarily define a player but you would imagine after the Nolan Patrick and Ryan Ellis injury sagas the Flyers would be a bit more cautious about trading for a player that already missed a season due to an injury. Not the same injuries at all but sheesh.
Just looking at Cutter's raw point totals it looks like he finished his college season strong. Where was the potential upside for this trade for the Flyers? Nowhere that I can tell.
Beef Invictus
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I love your optimism and it is excellently positive!
But this feels way, way too familiar. I've lost track of the number of cases where playmakery types get scuttled so they can focus on defense or old fashioned grindywork, and then once it's decided a player has sufficiently mastered that only then are they set free. Most recently (and therefore relevantly) we've seen this with Frost. Cates was determined to have mastered defense so they just let him free with all sorts of opportunity otherwise unearned. York was determined to be sound defensively, so the message was "go get 'em!" Hell, they decided JVR was too soft or something and deployed him to build his board battling skills, neglecting his actual skillset.
Drysdale was given freedom to start (an excellent break from essentially every trend!). But once he was hurt, I speculate recklessly that they had too much opportunity to fall back on habit. I bet he got many a lecture and film session about the virtues of safe play and letting the game come to him until he becomes defensively sound...once you do that Jamie my boy, you can make plays! But in reality it ends up being more of the always-seen suppression of what makes a player most worthwhile.
Magua
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Honestly, the injuries are pretty far down my list on their own, and they’re not necessarily predictive. The lack of showing positive NHL impacts is more my issue. Now, missing a season plays into that, especially when he was rushed at age 18 and coached by the abomination that is Dallas Eakins. Drysdale was not a proven commodity ignoring injuries. His profile’s risk was always undersold. None of that is an inherent issue unless you buy high…..which they did.
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imagine what this board would post EVERY day if we traded Drysdale after this season for someone like cutter. They would build a stature for Briere already! Twitter would never stop salivating over this trade!
I wasnt high on Cutter (as a Center or Centerpiece for the future!) and i´am skeptical like before. But Drysdale with his injuries and the history of playmaking dman in this organization iam more skeptical about him than about Cutter.
For me that floor of Cutter is a lot higher than the floor of Drysdale!
And what is very eye opening are the scoring stats from Drysdale this season! He needs to show a lot more (maybe because of his injuries) next season!
One of the arguments was the excellent development of other "youngish" dman for the franchise (Risto, York, Seeler, Walker). Iam very skeptical how much this is development of the players as it is more of a product of the system and one hit wonder. If Torts let them play this style for the whole next season other teams will be better prepared and the results will be worse than these season!
A lot of question marks about this trade. And it doenst look promising!
