Flyers Over/Under 76.5 points

[Flyerfan4life]

I have to go under for the following reasons:

They don’t have a legit, proven #2 goalie and Hart seems to be pretty brittle

Way too many players are coming off significant injuries

The right side of the D is horrid and they do not have a NHL quality top pairing

Depending on injuries and how quickly they start selling off players, I see them finishing in the 68-76 point range.

you forgot not a single game of Roos point product this season either with no one able to generate it signed

 

[Canfly]

I went over. Figure 80-88 points. not enough to make the playoffs but hopefully it gets fletch fired.

 

[Pantokrator]

This team can't "eliminate the players who don't play 200 feet" because most don't play in the offensive zone.

Hahaha! This was great!

 

[Pantokrator]

Remember, bad things happen to the Flyers. If you haven't learned this by now, you must not be very old.

The worst thing to happen this year is for the Flyers to overachieve so they lose a shot at top talent in the draft. Therefore, they will actually be more competitive than most people think because that hinders the future prospects of the team.

Ellis will be healthy, Hayes and Couts will be healthy, players like Patrick Brown will somehow overachieve and get 5 goals. All of this will make fans come back, keeping the team mangement from making the changes that are needed to fix this mess, i.e., the removal of all personnel currently associated with the team.

Fletcher goes into the off season thinking the team is in good shape, and he will trade first round picks to moderately improve so that when the team comes back to earth and is plain crap, we won't have the picks to draft the players that would be a future help.

We just finished year 2 of what will be an 8 year playoff drought. My hope is that at the end of 8 years, the team will be sold and all the people in the organization gone. I'm playing the long game here.

 

[Angry Hockey Dad]

I want 50

 

[orangey]

Ellis will be healthy

You lost me.

 

[deadhead]

Remember, bad things happen to the Flyers. If you haven't learned this by now, you must not be very old.

The worst thing to happen this year is for the Flyers to overachieve so they lose a shot at top talent in the draft. Therefore, they will actually be more competitive than most people think because that hinders the future prospects of the team.

Ellis will be healthy, Hayes and Couts will be healthy, players like Patrick Brown will somehow overachieve and get 5 goals. All of this will make fans come back, keeping the team mangement from making the changes that are needed to fix this mess, i.e., the removal of all personnel currently associated with the team.

Fletcher goes into the off season thinking the team is in good shape, and he will trade first round picks to moderately improve so that when the team comes back to earth and is plain crap, we won't have the picks to draft the players that would be a future help.

We just finished year 2 of what will be an 8 year playoff drought. My hope is that at the end of 8 years, the team will be sold and all the people in the organization gone. I'm playing the long game here.

He's traded one 1st rd pick in 4 years, and got it back within a year.
He's traded zero legitimate prospects (Patrick and Myers were damaged goods).
He's lost one marginal forward in NAK, and an AHL plus player in Friedman.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It takes an impressive amount of denial to refuse to admit Fletcher has lost a ton of value in his time as GM, both here and in Minnesota. It's why he's always a loser, and his teams always lose.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Traded away a first round pick (and countless other assets) for one of the worst defensemen in the NHL and gave him a shiny new contract.

Acquiring a 1st round pick that might be used in four drafts after acquiring it is not something that should be applauded or considered equal.

Much success. Great job.

The fact that he didn't tade any legitimate prospects is part of the reason we're here. He waited too long for our "top prospects" to show that they're not anything worthwhile. That's HIS failure to recognize that they weren't what they were supposed to be before the rest of the league did.

 

[orangey]

How about predict the date Fletch is fired? I'll take Jan 20.

 

[Pantokrator]

He's traded one 1st rd pick in 4 years, and got it back within a year.
He's traded zero legitimate prospects (Patrick and Myers were damaged goods).
He's lost one marginal forward in NAK, and an AHL plus player in Friedman.

This franchise hasn't won a Cup since 1975. Only three teams are on a longer streak. They have lost 6 finals since then. Lay out for me a framework in which you see the Flyers winning the Cup in the next 10 years. Unless they get a really high end impact pick, it is not going to happen. So, since the team always disappoints, we can deduce it will disappoint again. How can it best disappoint? By not bottoming out. Therefore, the team will not bottom out and Fletcher is obligated, as someone who works for the Flyers, to unwittingly create a system in which the team will continue to fail. It's not really his fault, it is just what happens to the Flyers.

Seriously, who would have thought that getting the #2 pick in 2017 would end up the way it did? Losing the lottery in 2007 to NOT get Patrick Kane? Or that Bernie Parent would have his career messed up with an eye injury, Pelle Lindberg dying after winning the Vezina, Lindros having concussion problems, Primeau having concussion problems, Pronger having concussion problems, so on and so on. It is what happens.

 

[deadhead]

Traded away a first round pick (and countless other assets) for one of the worst defensemen in the NHL and gave him a shiny new contract.

Acquiring a 1st round pick that might be used in four drafts after acquiring it is not something that should be applauded or considered equal.

Much success. Great job.

The fact that he didn't tade any legitimate prospects is part of the reason we're here. He waited too long for our "top prospects" to show that they're not anything worthwhile. That's HIS failure to recognize that they weren't what they were supposed to be before the rest of the league did.

Yeah, should have traded Patrick before 2019, and Myers right after he sucked in the playoffs.
Geez, where do you get this material?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah, should have traded Patrick before 2019, and Myers right after he sucked in the playoffs.
Geez, where do you get this material?

Same place you get yours. Just mine comes from the Non-Fiction department and yours the Fantasy section.

Weird flex about not trading Myers because he “sucked” when at that same time Fletcher gave him an absurd contract.

It’s the General Managers job to analyze his roster and find the faults in the players and move them before the players value is nonexistent. Chuck Fletcher didn’t do that and in fact he extended, re-signed, drafted, etc pretty much every player on the roster but hey he’s not at fault.

I also appreciate you glossing over the fact that the acquired first round pick isn’t comparable to what they gave up.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Same place you get yours. Just mine comes from the Non-Fiction department and yours the Fantasy section.

Weird flex about not trading Myers because he “sucked” when at that same time Fletcher gave him an absurd contract.

It’s the General Managers job to analyze his roster and find the faults in the players and move them before the players value is nonexistent. Chuck Fletcher didn’t do that and in fact he extended, re-signed, drafted, etc pretty much every player on the roster but hey he’s not at fault.

I also appreciate you glossing over the fact that the acquired first round pick isn’t comparable to what they gave up.

And ignoring all the other picks.

 

[deadhead]

Same place you get yours. Just mine comes from the Non-Fiction department and yours the Fantasy section.

Weird flex about not trading Myers because he “sucked” when at that same time Fletcher gave him an absurd contract.

It’s the General Managers job to analyze his roster and find the faults in the players and move them before the players value is nonexistent. Chuck Fletcher didn’t do that and in fact he extended, re-signed, drafted, etc pretty much every player on the roster but hey he’s not at fault.

I also appreciate you glossing over the fact that the acquired first round pick isn’t comparable to what they gave up.

They gave a middle 1st rd pick in a thin draft, what they got is unknown, but I'd take Fla's 2024 over Colorado's 2023.
But the point is they're not throwing around real prospects or 1st rd picks trying to win now.

They should have predicted Patrick's scrambled brains and that Myers would regress.
Patrick went from 22 to 29 ES points his first two seasons, at 21 why would they expect him to implode?
Myers was coming off a solid season where he had taken over the 2nd pair RHD job, why would they expect him to regress?

And it's obvious from their play since they left Philly that their issues are more about them, just as bad or worse on their new teams.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They gave a middle 1st rd pick in a thin draft, what they got is unknown, but I'd take Fla's 2024 over Colorado's 2023.
But the point is they're not throwing around real prospects or 1st rd picks trying to win now.

They should have predicted Patrick's scrambled brains and that Myers would regress.
Patrick went from 22 to 29 ES points his first two seasons, at 21 why would they expect him to implode?
Myers was coming off a solid season where he had taken over the 2nd pair RHD job, why would they expect him to regress?

And it's obvious from their play since they left Philly that their issues are more about them, just as bad or worse on their new teams.

Lol you take anything that sides with whatever Fletcher did.

The only people declaring it a thing draft are Fletcher and Flahr, who are lazy. Plenty of talent will come out of drafts they opted out of because they didn't feel like scouting.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

They gave a middle 1st rd pick in a thin draft, what they got is unknown, but I'd take Fla's 2024 over Colorado's 2023.
But the point is they're not throwing around real prospects or 1st rd picks trying to win now.

They should have predicted Patrick's scrambled brains and that Myers would regress.
Patrick went from 22 to 29 ES points his first two seasons, at 21 why would they expect him to implode?
Myers was coming off a solid season where he had taken over the 2nd pair RHD job, why would they expect him to regress?

And it's obvious from their play since they left Philly that their issues are more about them, just as bad or worse on their new teams.

They’re not throwing around real prospects because they don’t have any. They traded a first round pick for one of the worst defensemen in the NHL and rewarded him with a major contract. The truth is that Flahr and Fletcher were just lazy and don’t know how to find angles to win in the margins so instead of trying they just threw their hands up.

Guess what, Florida’s pick can be the ‘25 first round pick.

You do know there’s more than just Patrick and Myers here, right?

That they weren’t good with their new teams doesn’t prove what you think it does. It shows that old development issue that you refuse to recognize as being real exists. They’re too far gone.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They’re not throwing around real prospects because they don’t have any. They traded a first round pick for one of the worst defensemen in the NHL and rewarded him with a major contract. The truth is that Flahr and Fletcher were just lazy and don’t know how to find angles to win in the margins so instead of trying they just threw their hands up.

Guess what, Florida’s pick can be the ‘25 first round pick.

You do know there’s more than just Patrick and Myers here, right?

That they weren’t good with their new teams doesn’t prove what you think it does. It shows that old development issue that you refuse to recognize as being real exists. They’re too far gone.

Patrick was a better passer and playmaker as a rookie than he was after a few seasons of Flyers development. Ominous.

 

[Nizzle]

My guess is ’bout threefiddy.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

2 votes for under 76.5 points for every 1 over 76.5.

Interesting, as Vegas aims for an even split.

I give kudos to everyone who has had the guts to go on record.

 

[Deadpool8812]

100% under

 

[swami24]

Over, but no playoffs

 

[myphillysports]

Under. Montreal is the only team in the East that I feel confident that the Flyers are better than. Buffalo is a coin flip.

They are a Coots/Hart injury away from being in contention with Montreal and Chicago for Bedard.

 

[flyerslducks]

I was conflicted about this but ultimately I went over but I think it’ll be under 80 still. I can see us having a season like sj or Anaheim where we do ok for the beginning and then falter (or vice versa). Torts will make us win some close games and Hayes/couts coming back gives us a few more points. I think we will go under but flyers always prove me wrong…not happy about the direction this team is gojng. Sadly won’t watch many games this season which sucks

 

[swami24]

Injuries destroyed this team. I am hoping the new health guy will have the guys better prepared, but the whole question is many recovries from last year's significant ones.