TheOrganist
Don't Call Him Alex
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Briere wasn’t even “thinking” about firing Torts until a few days ago? He sounds clueless honestly. Kinda sad one of the flagship franchises is run by such morons.
Flyers fire John Tortorella, name Brad Shaw interim head coach
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Hint1k
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and btw here is my post from famous Michkov benched thread: Michkov to be healthy scratched tonight
I told you so.
I told you so.
I can tell you that the players who played for Tortorella in Columbus still take every opportunity to speak about him with admiration.
Leaguewide player polls always have this sort of "first thought" tendency - players were still voting Carey Price as the best goalie years into his obsolescence. Torts fills that "Carey Price role" for this question. It doesn't line up with what most of his former players say about him.
Rich Nixon
No Prior Knowledge of "Flyers"
His Columbus teams lacked high-end talent but were fairly deep on young middle 6ers...and were led by Panarin and a prime Bobrovsky for most of those years. Basically the perfect build for a Torts team: elite goalie, three 3rd lines and two 2nd pairings. 50 wins that one season is crazy though.
We also made post season once after the Bob and Bread departure (even eliminated Toronto)
BillDineen
Former Flyer / Extinct Dinosaur Advisor
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Torts is a terrible coach, happy to see Michkov benefitting immediately. 3 point night, hit a post on empty net and almost scored on a breakaway. f*** Torts. Rocky Thompson is the worst PP coach in NHL history, pray he’s next.
Honour Over Glory
Fire Sully
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Firing Torts will have an immediate positive effect to the roster, if Brière was hoping for a tank, that just ruined it.
I wish Sullivan would join the unemployment line with his wanker of a best mate, Torts. But with our luck, Pens will fire Vellucci in the summer and hire Torts. Then it’ll be 3 giant masshole losers together forever with masshole owners.
I wish Sullivan would join the unemployment line with his wanker of a best mate, Torts. But with our luck, Pens will fire Vellucci in the summer and hire Torts. Then it’ll be 3 giant masshole losers together forever with masshole owners.
Paxton Fettel
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This is a fairy tale like scenario, he basically scored a hat trick, could have had 5
I think his MO is outdated and disagree with a lot of his beliefs.
Strangely I somehow like him and think he can be a good coach in the right situation.
Philadelphia was a terrible fit. They didn't need an old school coach to let the team overachieve.
Last season was a great story but did not help the team long term.
Brad Shaw is a much better fit for what is needed.
Therefore it made sense for everyone involved to stop that.
I think Torts will get another coaching gig. Maybe in Nashville to get them started or maybe Buffalo would be a good fit.
Strangely I somehow like him and think he can be a good coach in the right situation.
Philadelphia was a terrible fit. They didn't need an old school coach to let the team overachieve.
Last season was a great story but did not help the team long term.
Brad Shaw is a much better fit for what is needed.
Therefore it made sense for everyone involved to stop that.
I think Torts will get another coaching gig. Maybe in Nashville to get them started or maybe Buffalo would be a good fit.
Fatass
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Torts in Buffalo would be ideal. That core needs a coach who will demand they all play the right way.
At the time of his hire, it made no sense. The Flyers roster was just as bad in 2022 when he was hired, all he did was hamper the tank by squeezing out a few extra wins. He almost got last year's team into the playoffs, which would have been an absolute miracle.
I don't have as much a problem with what he said the other night as most people. I took it as, our roster since the deadline is so bad, we've been getting killed every night, that the rest of the season would be painful and he's having a hard time coming to the rink every night knowing this. But that doesn't mean he wasn't looking forward to still being here next year.
Some Flyers fans were determined to never like him, so confirmation bias. This is a bad team, the on-ice failures are far from all him, this year the goaltending is particularly bad. But as I led with, the timing was never right in having Torts here.
I don't have as much a problem with what he said the other night as most people. I took it as, our roster since the deadline is so bad, we've been getting killed every night, that the rest of the season would be painful and he's having a hard time coming to the rink every night knowing this. But that doesn't mean he wasn't looking forward to still being here next year.
Some Flyers fans were determined to never like him, so confirmation bias. This is a bad team, the on-ice failures are far from all him, this year the goaltending is particularly bad. But as I led with, the timing was never right in having Torts here.
Mr Nogatco
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Sounds relatively innocuous, probably showed up late for something.
Flyers Defenseman Benched by Interim Coach
The Philadelphia Flyers have had an eventful week that reached a peak when they announced the firing of head coach John Tortorella. Flyers associate coach Brad
I call that the "Billy Martin Effect". He energies the team at first. After a few years, it wears on the players and he gets fired because he never changes his methods.
Mind games ?
"Michkov, you need to play a minimal amount of defense, at least just stay above the defenseman in your own zone when they have the puck".
Michkov blowing the zone/floating behind the defense, Flyers get scored on, gets benched.
"These mind games are the problem"- Winston Wolf
There no mind games. Most players will say he is direct with what he wants. Players say you can discuss strategy with him. Even Dubois had good thing to say about him when Dubois was in Winnipeg.
Torts takes on hard jobs with teams that have zero structure and garbage culture like the Flyers and BJs. He's not a miracle worker.
Voight
#winning
I'm willing to bet very few if any of his former players voted for him.
Regardless that poll is anonymous. So it doesn't disprove what I said.
Rich Nixon
No Prior Knowledge of "Flyers"
There are plenty of mind games, though. All of Frost, Couturier, and York have commented that they weren't told what they were being scratched for in recent years. It's particularly egregious when other players are underperforming or making equivalently bad reads and mistakes but not being disciplined the same way.
Torts is like any other coach. He plays favorites, he sees different things based on his own preconceived notions of players, he isn't always equitable in his discipline. What makes him tiresome is that he spends so much time nailing himself to a cross over some myth of "fairness" and a "standard" that he doesn't actually maintain.
He isn't a bad coach by any stretch. But he only works well with a specific set of players that respond to a specific type of motivation. He's just not good enough anymore to justify his polarizing personality and tendency to alienate any player who doesn't respond to his particular brand of motivation--or doesn't fit into his remedial style of hockey.
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St Louis gas nothing but great things to say about Torts. Vinny. Richard's. Andercuck, Dubois, Seth Jones, Anderson, Boom Jenner......no whing from them about Torts coaching.
Dingo
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reminds me so much of Keenan always getting hired again and again.
NatusVincere
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Trotz is a beer league coach whose success came on the back of his goalies. Kind of crazy to excuse him with the zero structure when he had 3 years to work on it. Yet his team made zero progress and is on the verge of having the worst power play for the third straight year...
Gregor Samsa
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Wonder if we’ll ever find out what happened and if this altercation happened before Tort’s comment.
Strawberry Fields
12x Calder Cup Champs
I'll never forget the absolutely overjoyed celebration we had on the Flyers board after Hakstol was fired in 2018. Many of us were thrilled it was over, that it couldn't get any worse from there.
Then the Flyers hired AV.
Then they hired Torts.
Can't wait to see what fossil we dig up next!
Then the Flyers hired AV.
Then they hired Torts.
Can't wait to see what fossil we dig up next!
