Post-Game Talk: Flyers 4 - Jets 1

[Jetabre]

There's no way we're going to repeat the exact same story as last season? Surely?

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Seeing all the hate for KFC tonight...

I've been saying for years the guy is more liability than asset...

And what's this? People jumping on the Vilardi Hate Train? Are all three players we got from LA now in our bad books? Are we no longer crushing the PLD trade? Inquiring minds want to know. I won't even mention the Perfetti pejoratives... oh shit, I just did.

Is this our new theme song?

 

[WolfHouse]

It's not considering the vast majority of the game is played 5v5 but here

We showed even better when you factor in special teams.

But yeah, pathetic starts and then playing from behind, score effects come into play at that point.

Great example of how corsi is as fkd as plus minus

 

[Laurose]

This Jets season looks eerily similar to last year and their play these last 3-4 weeks is similar to the shambles of the past 3 years. They are not playing aggressive in the neutral zone. Their forecheck has stopped moving. Powerplay is atrocious. First period play pathetic. They are not engaged in the system, playing a half step slower than their opponents, hands are too tight on their sticks, they are thinking way too much and trying to be "creative" when they ought to just crash the net and just bloody shoot the puck! Attack the net and create chances instead of shooting from the perimeter. They are playing scared and it shows. They're a mess of head cases. Mentally, this team is just too damn fragile and they have shown this the past three years. This team is becoming coach killers. They better figure this out.

 

[Andreas Ferrari]

I have a trade proposal......yea or nay???

Spoiler

Sean Monahan to LA for Pierre Luc Dubois

 

[winnipegger]

Losing streaks where you can't score don't worry me as much. It can't stay like this.

 

[AussieBomberJet]

Why can't this team carry a strong winning mentality into the second half of a season?

Seriously, why?

 

[TheDeuce]

Jets PP has 1 goal in the last 30 attempts.

m.

 

[Zippity]

Bag skate.

He said a few interviews back that morning skates are now optional

Jets couldn’t even hold the record for less than 3 goals scored. Now going for 3 and more record and most games lost in a row.

 

[Zippity]

Ya, I am certainly not a sky is falling fan. However, there are some concerns here.

If Lauer is in charge of the PP perhaps a firing the way the Bills fired their OC mid season. This won’t get us out of round 1.

PP is a constant poor spot this season .

Jets don’t fire anyone.

 

[GJF]

Officially starting to worry. It feels scaringly similar to last season.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Officially starting to worry. It feels scaringly similar to last season.

No team does a midseason nose dive in such spectacular fashion as the Jets. It is frustrating because we can see it happining but cannot stop it and are called "irrational" or "bandwagoners" or " negative " for posting our concerns. Their poor special teams play has officially caught up with them.

 

[DRW204]

Great example of how corsi is as fkd as plus minus

Yeah agree Its dumb how its used sometimes like plus minus.

Jets give up 4 goals and are out-shot early.... Yeah seems like it's a fitting game script fit for them to look good on the Corsi stats rest of the way (just like a QB that's down and has to pass their way back into the game). Corsi was basically in favor of Philly or even through majority of 2 periods and bit of a 3rd.

Then it's typical ignorance of special teams where the Jets could be scoring goals or preventing some. the PIT game was more crucial than last night. But a SHG against early in the 2nd when on an opportune time for a bit of a comeback, and 0/3 on the PP overall isn't good either.... but hey 5v5 ShOt AtTeMpTs.

Also look at a step deeper
Jets 54 shot attempts: 2 xGF
Flyers 35 shot attempts: 1.9 xGF

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

FIRE LAUER!
That turd.

Wonder if there’s any chance that Laurer will pull a “Paul Maurice”?

 

[kanadalainen]

Wonder if there’s any chance that Laurer will pull a “Paul Maurice”?

We are at 1 for 30. I predict the threshold for PoMo'ing an exit is at 1 for 70.

The more salient question might be - > why did the Jets hire a guy with Lauer's track record?

The results are so poor that TN could at least put someone in at the ST coaching role that will provide entertainment.

- the ex-drummer from Motorhead
- german ex-chancellor Angela Merkel
- Tate McRae
- Ilya Bryzgalov
- Eleanor Wachtel from "writers and company"
- a camel with severe gingivitis

 

[Jets 31]

Losing streaks where you can't score don't worry me as much. It can't stay like this.

Ya there is no way this stays like this, they are all squeezing their sticks too tight and seem to be looking pass first before shooting.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

I am concerned.

What a terrible first period. We don't have the horses to win games 5-4.

Just gross. Need to be better, please don't be last season all over again. Please.

 

[Jet]

He is a liability on any line,he needs to score. That’s the only thing he does.

That's kind of unfair.

He's a typical scoring winner in the sense that he isn't a defensive demon, but he's been much better this season and he is pretty good at stripping pucks.

Why don't we criticize snerg for being an offensive black hole? He just breaks up plays, he's an offensive liability.

Different players have different strengths and skillsets. Its up to the coaching staff to put these players in positions to excel at their strengths and mitigate their weaknesses.

A well balanced team has a variety of these players and they work in concert to win games.

Seeing all the hate for KFC tonight...

I've been saying for years the guy is more liability than asset...

That's ridiculous.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Strange how this team goes from (almost) historic highs of number of games with less than 3 goals against, and Vezina numbers for both goalies while having a putrid PP and terrible PK. The wheels come off the 5 vs 5 play and the special teams remain in the toilet.

Not blaming Connor alone as there’s a whole bunch of names I don’t hear much of (4th line Iafollo, healthy scratch Kupari, Nino, Apples, Perfetti, Vilardi all AWOL). They really need to change those lines and Ehlers should be on line 1. Our “depth” isn’t so deep right now.

 

[hockeyarena]

Why can't this team carry a strong winning mentality into the second half of a season?

Seriously, why?

Immaturity and selfishness.

 

[Jet]

This Jets season looks eerily similar to last year and their play these last 3-4 weeks is similar to the shambles of the past 3 years. They are not playing aggressive in the neutral zone. Their forecheck has stopped moving. Powerplay is atrocious. First period play pathetic. They are not engaged in the system, playing a half step slower than their opponents, hands are too tight on their sticks, they are thinking way too much and trying to be "creative" when they ought to just crash the net and just bloody shoot the puck! Attack the net and create chances instead of shooting from the perimeter. They are playing scared and it shows. They're a mess of head cases. Mentally, this team is just too damn fragile and they have shown this the past three years. This team is becoming coach killers. They better figure this out.

Hockey is fascinating, bewildering and maddening in this sense.

Look at the Oilers. Sure, goaltending has had a hand in their cataclysmic first third of the season and stunning turnaround, but it's not the only story. They couldn't buy a win for the longest time and then it looked like they would never lose.

The Jets in 17-18 were a machine, aggressive, confident, smothering, scoring at will.

In 18-19 they were paper tigers with essentially the same team.

The Jets have had huge roster turnover, yet they've been jekyll and Hyde the past two years. There's no way the systems or message has changed. By all accounts they have a tight group and strong leadership - so, what's going on?

I still believe this is a blip on the radar and the team will figure it out, though I can understand that people are having deja vu.

I think psychologically speaking the team is in their heads. When they were winning all those games, they were playing the system on auto pilot, loose, confident. They didn't worry about losing because a loss was no big deal. That allowed them to use instinct and skill offensively.

Now, they're worried about getting scored on, they're thinking about where they should be. They're thinking about having to score. It's looking like paralysis by analysis, where you spend so much time thinking about what you're doing your feet are in cement, you're a step behind, you're overplaying plays and pulling yourself out of position.

D pinches get more tentative and less aggressive because you don't trust the forwards supporting you and it all collapses.

The problem is you can't just tell the players BE CONFIDENT! It just doesn't work like that.

They have to go back to the foundations of what made them successful, focus on positioning and support, and start building confidence back.

I am slightly disappointed as this is not a young team. This is a veteran club who should have the maturity and experience to pull themselves out of this.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

We are at 1 for 30. I predict the threshold for PoMo'ing an exit is at 1 for 70.

The more salient question might be - > why did the Jets hire a guy with Lauer's track record?

The results are so poor that TN could at least put someone in at the ST coaching role that will provide entertainment.

- the ex-drummer from Motorhead
- german ex-chancellor Angela Merkel
- Tate McRae
- Ilya Bryzgalov
- Eleanor Wachtel from "writers and company"
- a camel with severe gingivitis

Sincere question. I'm unfamiliar with Laurer's record as a coach. Can you fill me in a bit?

 

[BoneDocUK]

For god sakes put kfc-Chef-Fly for a whole game. This balance line up shit isn’t cutting it right now. Get the top scorers outta their funk, then get the rest on board.

Yeah I'm a bit puzzled by that swap. I have to play catch-up over here so was this an attempt to "get KFC going" or just a stock reversion to a KFC / 55 pair? We seem to have seen this before again and again under PoMo and Bonus last year when PLD/ KFC got split up for.... why was it again?

I get that players and coaches have preferences, but KFC is a guy who can likely pot 30 playing on the 4th so why not find the best spot for him while leaving your (excellent) top line alone?

5 games is manageable, but this team ain't the Oilers. All the parts need to be moving for the team to win.

I do think special teams have outsized importance here. Winning the 5v5 game with a broken PK and a PP where regular success is now a distant memory has knock-on effects down the lineup and throughout games. They've had the better part of 2 seasons to work on special teams. Time for Brad & Co to step up.

 

[Jets 31]

Sincere question. I'm unfamiliar with Laurer's record as a coach. Can you fill me in a bit?

Go read what @Ponds posted in the GDT , very good read.

 

[DRW204]

Sincere question. I'm unfamiliar with Laurer's record as a coach. Can you fill me in a bit?

Check out this post from @Ponds

They made an additional post later too

GDT: - Jets @ Philadelphia Thursday February 8th at 6pm

Last time we played Stan against Colorado it was apparently to showcase him to Philly scouts in attendance. Now Stan miraculously finds his way into the lineup in time for a Philly home game. It's like the universe is trying to say something.

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