I think Bob is good enough to win with. He isn't the problemThey probably still finish 1st in the Atlantic and lose in the playoffs to the Lightning again its not as if they aren't reallly good anymore still better than Toronto.
why would they dig a canyon to cover a deep hole
Florida Panthers set to take step back?
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TheImpatientPanther
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Ya but why trade Knight who has the potential to be at least a decent #1?
He's 21...
Bennett for Toews in the off season?
If people want to go the way of the Avs, then average goaltending is what is needed. Panthers need to beef up the D core, but Toews for Bennett, Florida will have to add.
I don't think its an outrageous take that the panthers have a better chance of giving up a top 10 pick then getting to the 2nd round. The move for tkachuk was wise in a long term view, it extends the window but it comes with short term pain tied to the cap problem of the yandle buyout
Reality, the panthers forwards are worse then last year and at best a wash, they've lost Huberdeau who short term is better than tkachuk from a chemistry perspective with the team and Mason Marchment. There defense while not horrifying is still worse then last year and relies so much on Ekblad staying healthy and playing 25-30 a night in a tough atlantic division and eastern conference. As we all know Goaltending is voodoo and both bob and knight may have down years and they have no pick support or prospects to trade to solve problems.
I don't think the panthers finish bottom 10, I'm expecting a pick between 14-20. However I think there is a scenario where they end up bottom 10 with an injured Ekblad or Barkov, and I think there is a scenario where they finish 2nd in the division behind Maurice.
Overall I'd say based on my view of it 5-10% ->Bottom 10 pick, 80-85% 14-20, 5-10% 20+
Of course Habs fans are going to wish for a top 10 pick, its rare to see an unprotected pick for a future draft get traded away and a fair number of times it happens it leads to crazy moments. Ottawa giving up Byram, SJ giving up stutzle(? or was it sanderson?), Toronto giving up Seguin. It's just good drama
Panthaz89
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I would bet a lot on the Panthers making the 2nd round over finishing bottom 10.
TheImpatientPanther
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Toews, albeit a solid defenseman only has a year left this upcomong offseason where Bennett has 2.
If there was an add, don't think it'd be a huge one.
Bennett would replicate some of what he did, if not more in Colorado.
I didn't put that much effort into this but I was joking with the Cup comment of course.
I'd say Florida has a better chance of getting to 2nd round over finishing bottom 10.
If you're happy with a late teens pick then it's all good. Hopefully your scouting has been better than the previous 15 years from 2000 to 2015 or so.
Before the current core.
leafsfan5
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They'll regress a decent amount next year, imo. Still make the playoffs and get 100+ points, but will be number 3 in the atlantic
The defense is just way too poor. They'll be able to rebuild it next offseason and should be a top tier contender after that (if they don't neglect the defensive side of the game like they did all of last year)
The defense is just way too poor. They'll be able to rebuild it next offseason and should be a top tier contender after that (if they don't neglect the defensive side of the game like they did all of last year)
HuGort
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They got a lot of talent but went out without much of a whimper in playoffs
It's a bit of an overreaction to say they are going to take a big step back because they lost Weegar. They still have the deepest forward group in the league and forsling is underappreciated. If knight takes a step this year that'll offset the loss of Weegar. I bet Florida still finishes top 3 in the east.
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The trade with Calgary may look good in 4 or 5 years but for now it hurt them
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FrolikFan67
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I mean obviously theyll regress. What was the expectation? That they’re winning the presidents trophy for a second straight year? They finished #1 in the league last season and #4 in the league the season prior. Back to back seasons finishing as a top-5 team. I don’t think the regression will be nearly as bleak as some think (pending injuries of course).
Defense gets brought up but it’s almost the same as last years, minus Weegar. And while that is certainly a big blow, we still have Ekblad, Forsling, montour, Gudas, and our 6th last season was a revolving door (connauton, Lucas Carlsson, lindbom, etc), having Marc staal in that spot is certainly no worse than those (and we still have Carlsson). It really just boils down to how much we'll miss Weegar. For reference, we lost Ekblad who’s even more important for like a quarter+ of the season and only added chiarot who everyone thinks sucks anyways to replace that D spot essentially and didn’t skip a beat. Forsling will have absolutely no problem what so ever player on the top line with Ekblad. He slid up there both times ek got hurt and played fanastic, including in the playoffs. He’s our most reliable and consistent defender I’d argue. Similar situation to when ek went down and we had Forsling-Weegar it boils down to what the rest of the bottom-4 will look like and it won’t be that different than that scenario.
We still have the same goalie duo in net.
Offense we still have Barkov, Reinhart, Lundell, swapped Huberdeau for Matt tkachuk (still a great player; probably more goals but less assists and points), Verhaeghe, Bennett (while he won’t have Huberdeau anymore, he’s still a very solid player for us). So it comes down to Duclair getting injured for half the season (and is currently unable to afford him), Marchment walking, and Tippett/giroux (Giroux was only for a quarter of the season and were still the #1 team before acquiring him) and having Colin white, Balcers, and probably luostarinen replacing them.
There will be a dip in scoring and defensive depth, but I don’t think it’s doom and gloom. If they stay relatively healthy. They still likely grab a divisional spot.
Defense gets brought up but it’s almost the same as last years, minus Weegar. And while that is certainly a big blow, we still have Ekblad, Forsling, montour, Gudas, and our 6th last season was a revolving door (connauton, Lucas Carlsson, lindbom, etc), having Marc staal in that spot is certainly no worse than those (and we still have Carlsson). It really just boils down to how much we'll miss Weegar. For reference, we lost Ekblad who’s even more important for like a quarter+ of the season and only added chiarot who everyone thinks sucks anyways to replace that D spot essentially and didn’t skip a beat. Forsling will have absolutely no problem what so ever player on the top line with Ekblad. He slid up there both times ek got hurt and played fanastic, including in the playoffs. He’s our most reliable and consistent defender I’d argue. Similar situation to when ek went down and we had Forsling-Weegar it boils down to what the rest of the bottom-4 will look like and it won’t be that different than that scenario.
We still have the same goalie duo in net.
Offense we still have Barkov, Reinhart, Lundell, swapped Huberdeau for Matt tkachuk (still a great player; probably more goals but less assists and points), Verhaeghe, Bennett (while he won’t have Huberdeau anymore, he’s still a very solid player for us). So it comes down to Duclair getting injured for half the season (and is currently unable to afford him), Marchment walking, and Tippett/giroux (Giroux was only for a quarter of the season and were still the #1 team before acquiring him) and having Colin white, Balcers, and probably luostarinen replacing them.
There will be a dip in scoring and defensive depth, but I don’t think it’s doom and gloom. If they stay relatively healthy. They still likely grab a divisional spot.
GirardSpinorama
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Ya they definitely need another TDL acquisition on defence but more than fine in the regular season.
Florida went for a retool:
Huby + Weegar 17,5M extended
for
Tkachuk 9,5M extended
This saves up 8M. Florida has used all their draftpicks for the near future, so cash-savings is important. Next year Yandle`s buyout is off the books, thats +5M. Hornqvist also +5M. I`m assuming they will try going for a few pieces in UFA 2023
Core is: Barkov, Tkachuk, Ekblad, Lundell - That is 1C, 2C, 1LW, 1D. I kinda hope Reinhart and Knight will be too. They will be a playoffteam, but they will need some changes next season. Atleast on D
Huby + Weegar 17,5M extended
for
Tkachuk 9,5M extended
This saves up 8M. Florida has used all their draftpicks for the near future, so cash-savings is important. Next year Yandle`s buyout is off the books, thats +5M. Hornqvist also +5M. I`m assuming they will try going for a few pieces in UFA 2023
Core is: Barkov, Tkachuk, Ekblad, Lundell - That is 1C, 2C, 1LW, 1D. I kinda hope Reinhart and Knight will be too. They will be a playoffteam, but they will need some changes next season. Atleast on D
Paul Maurice is a terible coach so there really is no improving with him around. If the Panthers fire Maurice and strip Barkov of his captancy then there would be some hope for the Panthers.
No, Barkov is a solid player but he's not captain material. He lost the team in last years playoff and it's clear that the players have no respect for him as a leader. If Tkachuk does well this upcomming season it would be a good move to strip Barkov of his captaincy and make Tkachuk captain mid season.
Don't worry..
Regular season they will become 3rd in the division, and then they'll get to the 2nd round of the playoffs after a game 7 victory in the Scotiabank Arena.
However, I think they will lose to Tampa again.
Regular season they will become 3rd in the division, and then they'll get to the 2nd round of the playoffs after a game 7 victory in the Scotiabank Arena.
However, I think they will lose to Tampa again.
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They regressed in coaching alone. Paul Maurice, right now, must think he's the luckiest man alive. Maurice has been coaching for 25+ years now and has only made it to the Cup finals once... something like 20 years ago.
Thats actually the only place where they progressed. PoMo, as bad as he is, is actually an upgrade on Brunette.
cowboy82nd
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NO!!!! Florida does NOT need to trade Knight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cowboy82nd
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Why do we have to rid Barkov of the C?
Sorry, just saw your other post on how YOU think Barkov lost the team in the playoffs and that the other players don't respect him. Well, I think you are full of shit. The other players on the team have a lot of respect for Barkov. As far as him being captain material, to me, he still has some things to work on.
We all here know mulletman is full of shit. It`s not like its something new...
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