Post-Game Talk: Flightless birds destroy the lowly Canadiens

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Right and how does replacing the back up change any of that again? You've failed to explain that position.
Improving at the margins has disproportionate effects. Swapping out one of the worst goalies in NHL history will help improve performances.

It won’t win games but it won’t have the team defacto losing them before first intermission.

My concern isn’t pt% or standings rank but the putrid losing culture fomented by Warm Hands Hughes and his Dwarven troop leader.
 

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Very few teams (even cup winners) are as good as Tampa’s were. Amazing they did it with the cap.

If we got anywhere close I’d be really happy.

I don’t expect Montreal to come out of this rebuild as good as Tampa was. They had/still have 4-5 hall of fame players.

But my original post was in a reply to a poster stating they doubt Tampa’s current roster was that much more talented than Montreal’s and that Tampa has a couple high end players just like Montreal, which I disagree with. As you, imo, correctly stated Montreal is in stage one of a rebuild and it’s going to take awhile to get to stage two since most of their top prospects are either playing in other leagues or still years away from their peak.
 

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Improving at the margins has disproportionate effects. Swapping out one of the worst goalies in NHL history will help improve performances.

It won’t win games but it won’t have the team defacto losing them before first intermission.

My concern isn’t pt% or standings rank but the putrid losing culture fomented by Warm Hands Hughes and his Dwarven troop leader.
So our shiney new backup will improve the team through osmosis from the bench and Montembault won't get blown out again
 

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Improving at the margins has disproportionate effects. Swapping out one of the worst goalies in NHL history will help improve performances.

It won’t win games but it won’t have the team defacto losing them before first intermission.

My concern isn’t pt% or standings rank but the putrid losing culture fomented by Warm Hands Hughes and his Dwarven troop leader.
Remember folks, all that matters is THIS year.
 

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Are there any Marty Saint John defenders left?

If so, why?

I'm still in that camp. Last year though unless something changes.

Why? Our d-corps is basically an under 24 group and not particularly well-balanced. Our two senior guys are not exactly Weber/Markov. Our number 1 goalie is a waiver wire pickup, and the other a 7th round pick. And our third line is composed of players who while providing energy are not that productive. We also don't have a second line center anymore.

If I recall, the board pretty much unanimously predicted a bottom 5, or bottom 8, finish again this year. We're in that mix. The huge losses reflect, in part, a very fragile confidence. It takes very little for them to get destabilized. The game last night is an indication of this. It wasn't wire to wire bad. The game was close going to the third, and then it snowballed.

At a more personal level, I guess I also have respect for MSL's intelligence and capacity to explain himself. He seems someone self-aware. I suppose I have a bias towards that kind of profile, especially after years of inarticulate babblers with god complexes. I also never hear a peep from players expressing frustration towards their coach. They respect him. I knew when he was hired that it might be a long road, and so I guess I mentally prepared for this eventuality. I want to see him and his vision succeed. I don't get shook up with bad periods, games, or even stretches, I never bad mouth our players over a lousy shift. I assume all this is part of the process, especially with such a young and inexperienced d-corps/goalie combo. That is just incredibly difficult to overcome.

That's pretty much it. I guess I'm not so much a defender, as I am not ready to declare the project a failure. They've been playing much better lately collectively. For sure the big losses are very concerning. But as mentioned, still ready to see this season out. I know this board is essentially an outlet for rage and anger, or conversely, blind optimism, when it comes to the team, not particularly suited to a long term vision/discussion. And I get it, truly. I was genuinely disappointed with the Reinbacher pick, but again, waiting to see what will turn out. We can't just keep switching course all the time. I guess I'm one of those angry at the system itself that has encouraged failure as a means of success, and that has prioritized perpetual mediocrity across the NHL. Luck is a much bigger factor than any micro-decisions at the club level. I see great coaches sometimes doing badly, bad coaches sometimes succeeding in spite of themselves, so not easy to gauge their influence. Fin.
 

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Worst case scenario this year, the habs end up with another great draft position. Not the end of the world.

There's alot of valid reasons why this team has and/or will struggle at times this season, and plenty of it is out of Marty's control.

I say we let them play it out and give the team enough rope to see if they can collectively figure this out. Despite everything said in this thread and the terrible 3rd period last night, the team was trending in the right direction and had been for weeks.

At season's end we can decide what to do, when we have a clearer picture.

Cooler heads should prevail.
 

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The 9-2 final score is reminiscent of the number 92 : Patrick Laine. That's subliminal and a lesson for us, hahaha, we beleived Laine was going to pull us into a "In Da Mix Team", lol. And some of us beleived that, lol again ! :laugh:

A lesson : don't beleive anything and mostly /or sometimes your inner feelings.
 

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How good or bad a team is doesn't have that much influence on a goalies save %. Not as much as his GAA.

For example last year Mrazek had a saves % of 906 in 56 games playing for Chicago. In 2016-2017 the avs finished with only 48 points 21 points behind the 2nd last position and Calvin Pickard had a saves % of 904 in 50 games. I mean Primeau saves % is the 2nd worst in league's history for all teams (minimum 10 games played). It's worse than any goalies who played for the Nords in the 80ies i mean .... in 1988-1989 the Nordiques finished last in the league with 66 points and Tugnutt had a saves % of 891 in 26 games and Gosselin 868 in 39 games.
Some teams are bad and give up a lot of shots. Some teams give up high danger chances. Last night the team was giving up passes to guys with a wide open net. I had never seen such obvious and unmissable chances. Primeau hasn’t been great but his stats are a product of playing on a team that lets the floodgates open once they are down a goal or two.

I’m not saying Primeau is a future star, or even a future starter, but the historic lows are a team effort.
 

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It's like we're back in the Bergevin days where there are no good moves to be found anywhere.

Any trade we make now has to be a bad trade, yadda yadda. Clearly things are not working, so maybe our GM should do his job and make a GOOD trade.
OR how about we try and actually draft some quality players and then actually develop them properly. I see other teams do it all the time. It's incredible watching good teams...draft mid to late first round and second round and somehow they just "get lucky" I guess with players hitting. Weird how that works.

I asked this question a while back but when was the last time we developed a player properly...someone answered Pacioretty and they weren't wrong...says a lot. Now of course people will say CC bit he developed in the US college program so....

Some teams are bad and give up a lot of shots. Some teams give up high danger chances. Last night the team was giving up passes to guys with a wide open net. I had never seen such obvious and unmissable chances. Primeau hasn’t been great but his stats are a product of playing on a team that lets the floodgates open once they are down a goal or two.

I’m not saying Primeau is a future star, or even a future starter, but the historic lows are a team effort.
Right so.. we are back to the coach's defensive systems right? Either it isn't working or the players simply are too daft to understand it...which is it?
 

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The 9-2 final score is reminiscent of the number 92 : Patrick Laine. That's subliminal and a lesson for us, hahaha, we beleived Laine was going to pull us into a "In Da Mix Team", lol. And some of us beleived that, lol again ! :laugh:

A lesson : don't beleive anything and mostly /or sometimes your inner feelings.
I don't think anyone thought Laine would get the Habs into the playoffs once he went down in the pre season. It will take awhile for him to get up to speed. Hopefully he will be the catalyst to get the guys playing like shit to improve and create a 2nd scoring line.
 
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I don't think anyone thought Laine would get the Habs into the playoffs once he went down in the pre season. It will take awhile for him to get up to speed. Hopefully he will be the catalyst to get the guys playing like shit to improve and create a 2nd scoring line.
Yes, partly, but still remain the lack of a true #2 center. Some hockey analists say Suzuki is a #2 center on a contender team. So we have our #2 center, we lack a real #1 center. Laine is another winger. Center line is the key position and we lack at this position. Newhook is not a good center and neither Dvorak (he's a joke). Evans is ok as a 4th center, maybe a 3.
 

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Some teams are bad and give up a lot of shots. Some teams give up high danger chances. Last night the team was giving up passes to guys with a wide open net. I had never seen such obvious and unmissable chances. Primeau hasn’t been great but his stats are a product of playing on a team that lets the floodgates open once they are down a goal or two.

I’m not saying Primeau is a future star, or even a future starter, but the historic lows are a team effort.
That does not excuse a 836 saves %. I'm totally amaze we have even a discussion about this. Even in the 80ies against Mario and Gretzky a 836 saves % was not acceptable. That's the 2nd worse saves % in the history of the league. We are not the first team to tank. If he was at 870 fine but at 836 he has to wake up.
 
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That does not excuse a 836 saves %. I'm totally amaze we have even a discussion about this. Even in the 80ies against Mario and Gretzky a 836 saves % was not acceptable. That's the 2nd worse saves % in the history of the league. We are not the first team to tank. If he was at 870 fine but at 836 he has to wake up.
Isn’t the NHL median this season .902 or was at the start of this week
 

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David Savard would have made no difference. He has lost two steps and isn’t the guy he was last year. My lord, only in Hab land would a 5/6 get anointed into some pillar of defense. What they would have lost 8-2.

We are talking David Savard not Serge Savard, ffs.
 

salbutera

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David Savard would have made no difference. He has lost two steps and isn’t the guy he was last year. My lord, only in Hab land would a 5/6 get anointed into some pillar of defense. What they would have lost 8-2.

We are talking David Savard not Serge Savard, ffs.
Almost all Pens goals were within 10 ft of the crease - not sure those PP G go in w Savard playing
 

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Almost all Pens goals were within 10 ft of the crease - not sure those PP G go in w Savard playing
who know how many wouldn’t but him being in the lineup would not change the fact they played like crap. We have seen them crap the bed with David Savard in the lineup.

It’s so stupid how this guy keeps getting hyped up. He’s a below average D on the tail end of his career.
 

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who know how many wouldn’t but him being in the lineup would not change the fact they played like crap. We have seen them crap the bed with David Savard in the lineup.

It’s so stupid how this guy keeps getting hyped up. He’s a below average D on the tail end of his career.
All I’m saying is the Habs PK has been a strong point and Savard been a big contributor to the PK success - he was also the only one of the regular PK unit not playing vs Pens who went 2-for-3 on the PP - both of which were key goals for Pens
 

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