Confirmed with Link: Flames trade Pelletier + Kuzmenko + 2025 2nd, 2028 7th round picks to the Flyers for Frost + Farabee

[TheKingPin]

Good luck to the new additions. I don’t know what exactly to expect. Farabee has lost a bit since the beginning of last year and Frost is Frost, but hopefully both can max out with you guys. I think it’s a very good idea putting Farabee on the top line and Frost on the 3rd with skill players to start.

 

[The Gnome]

And what did reaction is that exactly? Scramble to make the playoffs year after year and hope we make it out of the first round, if we do?
Been there done that. No thanks. That's a dead end road.
Drafting a franchise player wasn't a pipe dream. At the start of the season most thought the Flames had a legitimate chance of drafting top 10 in 2025 and after trading Andersson drafting top 5 in 2026. Chances of that happening now are getting slimmer by the minute. We got better but we are still far from being legit cup contenders. I think we're going in the wrong direction.

I don't really see a lot of comparisons to our recent past. we are in playoff contention in spite of the fact we basically overhauled our entire roster with a bunch of young and upcoming talents, save a handful of vets. Included in that is Dustin Wolf who is playing out of his mind. We have more draft picks over the next few years than almost anyone, and our AHL team is stacked. This team is only getting way better from what I can see and it doesn't really matter where we draft in the first round this year.

I dare you to stop my hype train!

 

[Volica]

Have to say, love what I'm seeing out of Frost.
Confident with the puck, carries it well.

When Zary comes back from injury, that might end up being a really, really good second line. Like two guys that can give you 50-65 points a year.

 

[Figgy44]

The more I think about it, the more it seems like this trade was of a similar archetype of the Hamilton + Ferland + Fox for Lindholm + Hanifin type trade.

The other side sold the guys at a low point. We sold our guys at a high point.

However, the difference though was that the Carolina trade was pretty even/close to market value, and then Treliving added value with the contract he negotiated with Lindholm and Hanifin.

Conroy seemed to pay well below market value for those guys for this Flyers trade. Value can swing in our favor depending on whether they improve and/or the contract negotiated this off season for Frost.

I "suffered" through the first 15 minutes of Briere explaining the reason for the trade. If I were a Flyers fan, I'm livid. The trade value received make sense if their guys were 26-28 years old and increased risk of drop off are high and untapped potential is basically zero. But that's not the case, so we got a heck of a deal. Basically 50% off for buying something that's open box. Briere's logic makes no sense to me, especially since we are aware he basically called Conroy and didn't stop until a deal was done. It didn't seem like he went out and tried to get the best price.

Another thing I noticed, I've never truly thought our team was truly slow, but watching these guys haul ass and get to some key zones on the ice quickly, I think there's huge potential of improvement in the system if we add more speed to the roster. I'm still confused by what Briere was thinking in discounting both guys so heavily.

I'm not going to gloat to Flyers fans, because they seemed to be dealing with the same management BS we've been dealing with. I feel for them. I thanked them for their donation and I hoped they, get off that crappy ride and have something to look forward to soon.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I "suffered" through the first 15 minutes of Briere explaining the reason for the trade. If I were a Flyers fan, I'm livid.

If you were a Flyers fan you would be too dead inside to feel anything.

Unless you are one of the mouth breathing authentics, in which case this trade was great, for culture reasons! Just like all the other great moves the Flyers have made in the last 12 years of being completely mediocre slop going nowhere.

 

[Figgy44]

If you were a Flyers fan you would be too dead inside to feel anything.

Unless you are one of the mouth breathing authentics, in which case this trade was great, for culture reasons! Just like all the other great moves the Flyers have made in the last 12 years of being completely mediocre slop going nowhere.

God I feel for you guys. That sucks. For a moment, I legit had to double check I wasn't watching a deep fake.

 

[crackdown44]

Yeah for how smart of a player he was, Brière seems like an absolute mongoloid of a GM

Either that or he’s just a shill for the old boys club that runs the flyers. Really unfortunate for a team with such a great history

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Morgan Frost reminds me of young Matt Stajan.

Farabee needs his hands to catch up with his brain. We can fix him.

 

[Darth Vladar]

Morgan Frost reminds me of young Matt Stajan.

Farabee needs his hands to catch up with his brain. We can fix him.

I said it after his first game, and I’m sticking to it: the kid reminds me of Mark Recchi, and it ain’t just the Flyers connection. He’s a great playmaker, sweet hands in close. As likely to score 40 points in a season as he is to score 80 lol here’s a clip of a slick between-the-legs goal he scored vs. The Ducks a couple years ago, I’ve seen him score with this move more than once.




Edit: found the other one:

 

[Khrox]

Yeah for how smart of a player he was, Brière seems like an absolute mongoloid of a GM

Either that or he’s just a shill for the old boys club that runs the flyers. Really unfortunate for a team with such a great history

After looking it up, it really looks like Briere was kind of rushed into the role (spent like 4 years doing day-to-day with the Flyers ECHL team, and then spent 1.5 years as a "Special Assistant to the General Manager" for the NHL team before being made the GM). Not saying Briere couldn't have been a good pick for the GM, but it really didn't seem like they gave him the time to fully learn the job at an NHL level before getting it. Conversely, Conroy spend 3 years as a Special Assistant to the GM, and then another 9 years as an AGM before getting his shot at the GM role, so by the time he got there he had already been around the job in a managerial capacity for years and has likely had full responsibility for various parts of the job for periods of time as well so he didn't learn it as he went on.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Yeah for how smart of a player he was, Brière seems like an absolute mongoloid of a GM

Either that or he’s just a shill for the old boys club that runs the flyers. Really unfortunate for a team with such a great history

It's probably both but definitely the second.

Until the entire Clarke "management tree" including himself are purged from the organization there is no future in Philly.

 

[Figgy44]

After looking it up, it really looks like Briere was kind of rushed into the role (spent like 4 years doing day-to-day with the Flyers ECHL team, and then spent 1.5 years as a "Special Assistant to the General Manager" for the NHL team before being made the GM). Not saying Briere couldn't have been a good pick for the GM, but it really didn't seem like they gave him the time to fully learn the job at an NHL level before getting it. Conversely, Conroy spend 3 years as a Special Assistant to the GM, and then another 9 years as an AGM before getting his shot at the GM role, so by the time he got there he had already been around the job in a managerial capacity for years and has likely had full responsibility for various parts of the job for periods of time as well so he didn't learn it as he went on.

As as much as others keep saying otherwise, Treliving was a good GM. He had his issues, especially near the end, but he showed Conroy the merits of running the phones, being in on everything, even minor deals where you get something for basically nothing, RFA negotiations etc.

Conroy learned from Treliving and Burke what things to do and what not to do. In management, there's an exercise called "Stop, start, continue." Conroy watched those guys and knew what needed to stop, what needed to be started, and what was good and should be continued.

I've mentioned before that I felt like what Conroy is doing feels like around the Gulutzan era Flames. He's building a team stronger than the sum of its parts. If that guy can integrate some elite talent on a lunchpail roster... it could take off quickly.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Was it ever determined which 2nd round pick was going to Philly? Flames own 2nd, or the one from the Avalanche via Capitals for Mangiapane?

 

[crackdown44]

Was it ever determined which 2nd round pick was going to Philly? Flames own 2nd, or the one from the Avalanche via Capitals for Mangiapane?

According to puckpedia we don’t own ours but we do own Colorado’s so I would assume it was our own

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Was it ever determined which 2nd round pick was going to Philly? Flames own 2nd, or the one from the Avalanche via Capitals for Mangiapane?

Ours.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Starting to wonder if Pelletier was low key the positive guy we needed to avoid beat downs like Toronto or Colorado, or collapses like Seattle.

I love Frost… not sure about Farabee yet but hopefully he figures it out.

 

[crackdown44]

Starting to wonder if Pelletier was low key the positive guy we needed to avoid beat downs like Toronto or Colorado, or collapses like Seattle.

I love Frost… not sure about Farabee yet but hopefully he figures it out.

I love Pelts but if we need a 23 year old with 60 games of NHL experience to prevent us from getting beat down and collapsing then we’ve got bigger problems tbh

Still think this is a massive W from a value standpoint it’s just the same old story of needing star power in the worst way. When Wolf looks human we’re not going to win a lot of games

 

[Some Other Flame]

They're 1-3-1 since the trade went down. After the break, they've got the Sharks, Capitals, Lightning, Panthers, Hurricanes, Flyers, Stars, Canadiens, Canucks, Avalanche, Leafs, Rangers, Devils, Islanders, Kraken, Stars, Oilers and Stars.

On paper, there's maybe 3 to 6 winnable games out of 18.

Conroy on team tank after all

 

[joescores]

I was ecstatic when this trade happened...

After game 3, I started to present concerns about Farabee which wasn't received well by our community over here...

9 games in, he has 1 goal, and my concerns are even greater re Joel...he was a total nonfactor yesterday, a giveaway machine...

He played 09:51 and looked worse than Rooney...

Worse stat than this is the fact that him and Frost have a combine 4 points in 18 games...


I think we need to give them a full season next year and I might reasses, but I think I have a decent pair of eyes and if if I see a black black hole, I am rarely wrong...

 

[Don John]

The good news is we didn't give up much in terms of quality to get them and Frost is an ok player. But as usual it wasn't the steal that many fans always seem to think our deals are and it certainly did nothing to help with our offensive woes up front.

Frost can be an ok depth piece but isn't a top 6 player on a top team and really isn't defensive responsible enough to play at 3C. If he wants a big deal Flames are at risk of adding another bad contract.

Farabee offers nothing, I would look to let him go or see if you can get anything of value, even a late round pick.

 

[Anglesmith]

I've really like Frost in terms of what he brings. He's similar to Zary in terms of his willingness to take risks to beat players and put the other team on their heels.

I think it's tough to assess anyone on this team based on production. The team just doesn't generate enough goals as a whole unit, and so there aren't enough points to go around for everyone to look good. It's a whole team problem.

 

[eramosat]

Yes, a one month-in recap. In summary, Frost and Farabee not impressing much yet. Kumenko chipping in here and there, Pelletier getting regular ice time but on the 4th line.

Stat lines: Gp G A ATOI
Frost 9 2 1 16:03
Farabee 9 1 0 14:10
Kuzmenko 5 1 2 16:51
Pelletier 4 0 1 10:11

Both Flyers had issues with obtaining work VISAs, hence their rlatively low GP stats. Calgary is 3-5-1 since the trade, Flyers are 3-4-2, but 3-1-1 after their new acquisitions entered the lineup.

Thoughts on what each team wanted, and has got?

Calgary was looking to add offensive pop in their Top 9, with lots of places for their acquasitions to be tried out. Kuzmenko was not living up to his best expectations; but Pelletier was just about universally touted as good for the team and its future, and looks to be missed.

The Flyers were primarily looking to get rid of Farabee and his contract, which he had not lived up to, nor did they see him as a necessary part of their future plans. They would simply rather have his cap space (3 more seasons at $5M). Frost, to an extent, is collateral damage, in that he would simply be looking for a new RFA deal at season's end, which Flyers also felt they would be just as happy to pass on.

So an opportunity to trade them both for a useful package; 2 draft picks, a youngster with promise who can have regular playing time on a Flyers team filled with youngsters if he's signed to an RFA, and Kuzmenko, who can play out his tryout with them, and be resigned or not as a UFA as the Flyers go through their priorities over the summer.

Both Frost and Farabee have been fine at times, but not with any consistency. So Flyers were simply happy to move on, and try other ideas. But both players can be better than what they have shown in Calgary so far, and turn this into a much better outcome for Calgary. Flyers already got the outcome they wanted, the lack of spending on 2 players no longer in their future plans. Plus a 2nd and a 7th round draft pick. If Pelletier also plays his way onto the future roster, a bonus, and if Kuzmenko moves the needle at all, this year or in the future, another bonus.