GDT: Flames at Canes: The drive to ninth, day drinking edition

[Navin R Slavin]

When I took an economics class in college, the professor came in the 1st day and without saying a word, started writing on the white board at the front. As soon as he filled it, he erased and started again. This happened 3-4 times and when he erased it the last time, he introduced himself and said nothing about what he had written and never mentioned it again...UNTIL

When he handed out the final exams, he said: "For those of you that took notes of what I wrote on the board on day 1, this exam will be easy as I wrote the questions and answers to this final exam."

Needless to say, very few, if any students had written that down, or if they did, remembered it at all.

That is a pimp move.

 

[raynman]

When I took an economics class in college, the professor came in the 1st day and without saying a word, started writing on the white board at the front. As soon as he filled it, he erased and started again. This happened 3-4 times and when he erased it the last time, he introduced himself and said nothing about what he had written and never mentioned it again...UNTIL

When he handed out the final exams, he said: "For those of you that took notes of what I wrote on the board on day 1, this exam will be easy as I wrote the questions and answers to this final exam."

Needless to say, very few, if any students had written that down, or if they did, remembered it at all.

What an awesome professor. Kids these days would just take pictures of the board and then when he isn't looking pull out their phones and get the answers.

 

[geehaad]

Disagree, that's a total dick move. It's 100% typical for a teacher to write something on the board and then discuss it, so I would be sitting there expecting a discussion on what was written on the chalkboard, then...POOF, gone.

I am not someone who mindlessly takes notes in class; I listen intently to everything being said, and try to understand it. Note-taking is very much a detriment to understanding, because every word spoken during the moments you are writing is completely lost on you while your attention is spent on writing. So, I quickly write notes on things that have to be memorized, and try to keep that to a minimum.

This person is disproportionately rewarding the mindless note-takers of the world. No wonder we have so many college-educated people who are insufferably stupid.

 

[vorbis]

I will buy a beer for anybody who can top an 8 AM individual income tax class. And that was the second time I took it.

The first time I took it was over the summer of 2006. That is a terrible class to have on a compressed schedule, and I got distracted by a hockey team who had a long playoff run. I wound up with a C-, which was the worst grade I ever got in college. The second-worst was a C+, which was in the same class the second time around. I gave up after that and avoided the tax department when I went into public accounting.

I submit my 8:50am grad school class "Film and The Holocaust"

 

[Lempo]

This person is disproportionately rewarding the mindless note-takers of the world. No wonder we have so many college-educated people who are insufferably stupid.

Or alternatively, giving you a life lesson worth more than any other individual teaching you ever will get in that class.

Students were caught unawares in safe class environment with no real cost attached; some of them won't be fooled the next time in the real life.

In this case, the teaching for you would be that the world doesn't always operate according to your preferred method. Or alternatively, some initial intel may end up being vital, so keep your head up.

Presumably the professor taught the matters later on for successful clearing of the exam, so what you possibly passed on the first lesson was merely an unwarranted freebie.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Disagree, that's a total dick move. It's 100% typical for a teacher to write something on the board and then discuss it, so I would be sitting there expecting a discussion on what was written on the chalkboard, then...POOF, gone.

I am not someone who mindlessly takes notes in class; I listen intently to everything being said, and try to understand it. Note-taking is very much a detriment to understanding, because every word spoken during the moments you are writing is completely lost on you while your attention is spent on writing. So, I quickly write notes on things that have to be memorized, and try to keep that to a minimum.

This person is disproportionately rewarding the mindless note-takers of the world. No wonder we have so many college-educated people who are insufferably stupid.

Yeah, I doubt those things are related. But stay angry bro!

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't think anyone really benefited because few, if any, wrote down what he put on the board and even the few that might have, completely forgot about it. I can't be sure as it was a big class, but of the group I sat with, nobody took advantage. We all thought it was kind of funny.

That said, the guy was kind of a dick in general though.

 

[RodTheBawd]

I think it's one of those things that's a lot harder in the classroom than in the real world. Or maybe our professor sucked.

A lot of my problem was having to do it by hand and remembering all the rules during the test. Half of the things we were tested on are pretty rare on an average Joe's tax return; all of them are aided by software in any modern setting, but they were still teaching us the old way. I have no problem doing my own taxes, but everything ran together in my mind when I was trying to learn all possible scenarios from a book (especially in a one-month period) and write it all out on paper.

I've since learned that my learning style isn't always linear, which is especially true with something that has so many rabbit holes. Looking at the tax department's workpapers, I felt like if I ever actually did it for a living, I'd be good at it because I'd have good tools to help. Having people check my work and teaching me the important stuff along the way helps too. But I like the financial side of things better anyway.

Corporate tax was fine because they don't have half the shenanigans that individuals have.

As someone who has dealt a bit with corporate tax for a multinational company... (unless you're referring entirely to class difficulty)

 

[NotOpie]

Not smart enough to be tax cheats, evidently.

FIFY

It's just funny that multiple people crashed and burned in tax classes.

My equivalent experience would have been Chaucer.

How could you not love and understand the ribald Wife of Bath's tale, hmmm?

This person is disproportionately rewarding the mindless note-takers of the world. No wonder we have so many college-educated people who are insufferably stupid.

I have always said that plumbers, HVAC technicians, carpenters, auto mechanics, and electricians are going to rule the world one day.

 

[geehaad]

stay angry bro!

I'm not your bro, guy.

 

[Lempo]

I have always said that plumbers, HVAC technicians, carpenters, auto mechanics, and electricians are going to rule the world one day.

Oh, yes. When the meteor comes to plunge us all back to Stone Age, the guy who says "I'm an administrative scientist, and I can help us settle a proper working governance" will be the first one to be eaten.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I have always said that plumbers, HVAC technicians, carpenters, auto mechanics, and electricians are going to rule the world one day.

Yep. The drive to send everyone to a 4-year college, regardless of aptitude or temperament, is a big problem.

If Trump really wanted to send a message, he would have rolled the Departments of Labor and Education together and put Mike Rowe in charge.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I'm not your bro, guy.

Of course you're my bro, bro!

Bro.

 

[Lempo]

It's a bit harshly funny though. Them ladies have made their way to the academia only to find that the grants to pursue their goals in the field of feminist glaciology are too meager and hard to come by to properly afford the services of an air conditioner repairperson when need be.

I love it when my privileges are self-adjusting.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Of course you're my bro, bro!

Bro.

Unless he's in Hawaii, then he'd be your brah.

 

[The Stranger]

I'm not your bro, guy.

He's not your guy, buddy.

 

[geehaad]

He's not your guy, buddy.

This guy is my pal, friends.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

This guy is my pal, friends.

We're not your friends, we are your gang.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Or alternatively, giving you a life lesson worth more than any other individual teaching you ever will get in that class.

Students were caught unawares in safe class environment with no real cost attached; some of them won't be fooled the next time in the real life.

In this case, the teaching for you would be that the world doesn't always operate according to your preferred method. Or alternatively, some initial intel may end up being vital, so keep your head up.

Presumably the professor taught the matters later on for successful clearing of the exam, so what you possibly passed on the first lesson was merely an unwarranted freebie.

So basically, the professor is demonstrating his own incompetence as an educator in order to teach his class to deal with incompetent and misleading people?

I guess that would be a good lesson to teach as a harmless exercise in 8th or 9th grade, but it seems a bit much at the college level.

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

As someone who has dealt a bit with corporate tax for a multinational company... (unless you're referring entirely to class difficulty)

Yeah, just the class. They tried to go over every possible wrinkle in individual, but glazed over them in corporate. I'm not sure why. Most of my real-world experience is in an industry dependent upon a corporate tax credit that I never heard of in the classroom (LIHTC), so corporations certainly have their own set of shenanigans as well.

 

[Lempo]

So basically, the professor is demonstrating his own incompetence as an educator in order to teach his class to deal with incompetent and misleading people?

I guess that would be a good lesson to teach as a harmless exercise in 8th or 9th grade, but it seems a bit much at the college level.

It's called turning your decifit into a strenght.

But theoretically, maybe the kids who copied the incomprehensible text from the board could at some point of the course visit their 1st lesson scriptings, and it would make sense to them now when they have learned the concepts, and the brightests ones could maybe hazard to guess there was an ulterior motive in their professor writing it all there and then be rewarded in the exam for the effort they put into the course.

I know some of my teachers must've been ripping their hair in desperation when reading my first year essay answers where it must have been obvious that I have been pulling half of it from my ass courtesy of never having opened the books and winging it by what came up in the lessons, so I can't argue it's wrong to reward those who bothered.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

No one learns **** in college anyway that they couldn't have learned from a book.

The data says that college is about cohort. Period.

 

[Lempo]

We're not your friends, we are your gang.

Not a vest gang? I can't wear red&white, I live in Bambinos turf.

I'm really only a "That's because I drive an Opel, moped-boy!" away from a fatal beating as is.

 

[A Star is Burns]

This discussion is so much more interesting than this game was.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

No one learns **** in college anyway that they couldn't have learned from a book.

The data says that college is about cohort. Period.

With many courses that's true, but lab courses (in my opinion) cannot be learned well through reading. You need the hands on experience for some things.

Also, I learned more from arguing with classmates in philosophy courses than I did from the readings.

But for history courses or something similar I think that's absolutely true.

Edit:

Also, first semester of undergrad I had 8am Chemistry M-W-F and 8am Calculus on Tues-Thurs. Wanted to die halfway through week 1