Confirmed Signing with Link: [FLA] F Sam Reinhart signs extension with the Panthers (8 years, $8.625M AAV)

[Laus723]

Your personal “credit” has nothing to do with the reality of tax advantages that are openly acknowledged by nhl players agents gms accountants and media.

It’s shocking how many brilliant GMs and


Two decades is irrelevant. The tax advantage became the only advantage left
When they closed off back diving deals (which they should have)

The Second those aged out. It’s all no state tax teams.

Every no state tax teams gm is a brilliant negotiator. Every player is selfless
And only wants to winn

ok.

What? Is this sarcasm??

The previous “tax free teams” (as a Florida resident, please tell me how I can stop paying taxes) went WAY over LTIR. The owners overpaid, where was the tax advantage? Vegas moves guys out left and right.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Hmmm.. Yeah they suck as GM's. Thats why Florida teams have gone to the cup final the last 5 years

yikkes. calm down. you completely miss the point he was making, then get mad at him for somethign he didn't even say?

he said that ppl give credit to GMs for tax (or geographical) benefits of an area. Yzerman is an example of how he's doing in Detroit now.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I don't think anyone is expecting another season like this from him. It's definitely an outlier.

However, his 2 other seasons with the Panthers he's averaged 30 goals, around 70 points, and is our 2nd best two way forward. He's also the type of player that ages well, with his best trait being his hockey IQ.

Most Panthers fans would be satisfied with him resigning at 8.5-9 mil

Strongly agree with this. He got paid reasonably over his last 3 year performance. With the cap going up, he doesn't have to be a 50 goal guy to justify the $8.6M cap.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Lmao, what? What part of Great GM did you miss in my post that you quoted? And wtf are you talking about with the Leafs being terrible for decades? They've been great for at least the last 5 years but they're GM allowed them to pick their first raise. Their fans bitch about it all the time.

Again, since you apparently struggle with it, it takes great owners, a very smart and talented GM, and success as well.

Dubas, since you brought up Toronto, would have apparently given Reino a max deal (whether in Florida or Toronto) based on past experience because...he earned it?

Yes, the tax advantage exists. It did nothing for us for almost two decades due to terrible ownership, an internal cap, and awful GMs. Sorry, but it's not just a "tax advantage," there's a lot more that goes into it. Hell, Tampa just had to package sweeteners to correct their contract mistakes in Sergachev and Jeannot.

Just do what I do to the tax criers now...just reply with crying emojis. It's a waste of time and effort to try to speak logic to there tax riddled, tax boogeyman brains.

 

[Legion34]

What? Is this sarcasm??

The previous “tax free teams” (as a Florida resident, please tell me how I can stop paying taxes) went WAY over LTIR. The owners overpaid, where was the tax advantage? Vegas moves guys out left and right.

There has not been a single player on a no state tax team that has ever been paid 14% aav in the new system.

That is the market standard for high tax teams regardless of weather/prestige/winnjng

Floridas highest is 12.27 for your “overpay” of bob.

 

[J T Money]

Solid deal, lower than I expected. Love the tax advantage Florida has

 

[DistantThunderRep]

There has not been a single player on a no state tax team that has ever been paid 14% aav in the new system.

That is the market standard for high tax teams regardless of weather/prestige/winnjng

Floridas highest is 12.27 for your “overpay” of bob.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Zito is a f***in’ god

 

[Duder54]

Another win for tax-friendly markets… would really like to see a mechanism put in place in the next CBA to even out the advantages teams in tax-free states have over other teams. Not counting on it though.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Great deal , happy for florida , also happy that it makes all the canadian babies cry on here , good stuff , keep crying on the internet fella's, makes us all look great!

 

[KingJoffrey]

Nylander 11.5

 

[Ugene Magic]

What? No signing bonuses?

Sam didn't try hard enough.

 

[stats1]

Wild cap number when you compare it to the guys in Toronto. Is Reinhart a regular 45- 50 goal guy moving forward? It’s quite possible.

Yeah no……. This is an overpay. Sam cashed in on a season he’ll never have again. He’s more of a 20-25 goal scorer. If you really think Sam is going to come close to 40-50 goals again I have a bridge to sell you

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

These two contracts are perfect examples of the tax advantage. It's gotta go. No other teams in the league could have offered those contracts.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

There has not been a single player on a no state tax team that has ever been paid 14% aav in the new system.

That is the market standard for high tax teams regardless of weather/prestige/winnjng

Floridas highest is 12.27 for your “overpay” of bob.

How about the advantage of the Leafs being able to pay ~$40M worth of bonuses today? I could definitely be wrong, but I thought that AM get some preferential tax treatment on the signing bonus payouts because of his residence?

You worry about the stuff that you can control IMO.

 

[Legion34]

How about the advantage of the Leafs being able to pay ~$40M worth of bonuses today? I could definitely be wrong, but I thought that AM get some preferential tax treatment on the signing bonus payouts because of his residence?

You worry about the stuff that you can control IMO.

There is no advantage there that no other team can do. They may choose not to. But they are allowed to structure contracts with SB. In fact. Tampa/florida don

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Another win for tax-friendly markets… would really like to see a mechanism put in place in the next CBA to even out the advantages teams in tax-free states have over other teams. Not counting on it though.

The moment they do, they should deal with sponsorship opportunity by location, QoL in location, and not allow signing bonuses.

There is no advantage there that no other team can do. They may choose not to. But they are allowed to structure contracts with SB. In fact. Tampa/florida don

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Yeah no……. This is an overpay. Sam cashed in on a season he’ll never have again. He’s more of a 20-25 goal scorer. If you really think Sam is going to come close to 40-50 goals again I have a bridge to sell you

Hahaahahhahaha guy scores 57 goals and now he’s more of a 20 goal scorer. Lmao classic.

 

[Duder54]

The moment they do, they should deal with sponsorship opportunity by location, QoL in location, and not allow signing bonuses.

Side face emoticons aside, I don’t necessarily disagree with you. It’s a complex issue (or set of issues) that doesn’t necessarily have an easy answer.

However, if you’re going to hold all teams to a hard cap and punish them for bad contracts, then I think the league should be obligated to ensure that the rules of engagement are as fair as possible across as many variables as possible.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Yea Toronto must be really dumb for not changing their taxes to match Florida

I couldn't agree more. It's not my fault you live in a poorly governed region.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Unsurprised


Great deal.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Side face emoticons aside, I don’t necessarily disagree with you. It’s a complex issue (or set of issues) that doesn’t necessarily have an easy answer.

However, if you’re going to hold all teams to a hard cap and punish them for bad contracts, then I think the league should be obligated to ensure that the rules of engagement are as fair as possible across as many variables as possible.

Economic factors per city is impossible to equalize and shouldn't be discussed by amy league. I guarantee it won't even be approached or mentioned during CBA agreements because no one of importance gives a damn. Only crying fans from north of the border in a specific province.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

The cap is bullshit and makes the NHL unfair and unfun.

How much time is focused on players contracts that should go towards enjoying the game? All to artificially favor a few teams that rely on handouts to exist. Its BS and this Reinhart contract made it clearer than ever

FoB - where you a fan of the NHL in the pre-cap era? Because if you don't want fun - have play-off series where one team has 3x the salary of their opponent. And I say this as a Hawks fan whose team (and TB as well) was gutted by the cap.

The "tax difference" impact is similar to having teams being able to pay 90% of the contract at the start of the year in "signing bonus". But because the Leafs "give that away" and do that in addition to overpaying their own players, it's apparently not a big deal. The cap wasn't meant to give absolute parity for teams. Some teams have weather advantage, other teams have tradition advantage, or teams have deeper pockets to be able to scout better or be able to "treat their players like gods". Make good decisions, and your organization will do well.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

This guy would be 36 during the final year of this deal.

I say "would", because he will be bought out of this awful contract before he reaches that.

 

[pantherbot]

I don’t know why it’s so hard for Florida fans to understand that just because their team sucked back then doesn’t mean they don’t have a huge advantage now that they have a good team that can take advantage of low taxes.

The leafs have been terrible for decades, does that mean that Toronto will not have a huge advantage if they removed the salary cap today?

Please tell me about all the Cups and playoff runs Toronto had when there was no cap. I'm waiting