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I can’t believe they haven’t fired him this morning. This is really unbelievable.
Fire Tocchet #2
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RemoAZ
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Bill may be doing unofficial interviews ahead of time. He may not think any of the assistants are head coaches he wants. In that case, unless he has a candidate he is ready to make a move on, firing Tocc might not be worth it right now.
I agree, not sure why they are waiting to do it.
BUX7PHX
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We already did in our first 20 games of Tocchet's tenure.
Unfortunately, the "new coach" smell was still in our noses...
I truly don't see how it can't be worth it.
You signed a 5 year contract to be a GM for a team. You have a coach on an expiring deal who hasn't had one .500% winning season in four years. You are still trying to evaluate players before going into an important offseason that potentially will have lots of movement because of the expansion draft. You also need to know if the team should be adding pieces in free agency, trade or hold tight and hope we finally luck out a little in the 2022 draft. You have the perfect opportunity to evaluate this young core with both a coach that many praise around the league, and without him. You can have a control of this is how the team looks with RT, this is how it looks without. You can see if certain players shine or slump both with or without him. If you keep RT until the end of the season you don't get to evaluate the team this way. If you don't fire him you have to hope he wants to re-sign if you want him to stick around (rumors claim he doesn't) or you have to hope that RT was the problem and not the core.
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The statement, "You've just got to come out of it."
I just had to laugh at that, envisioning Tocchet as the hospital preacher on Scrubs talking to a family/individual in a coma:
"This is an adverse situation. Can't open eyes or move. Doctors doing everything they can to work a miracle. But when things are adverse, sometimes you just got to come out of it."
Even in those medical situations, things are being done behind the scenes. Maybe experimental treatments, or understanding what the cause may be to determine the likelihood of coming out of it. I don't know if we have am experimental treatment for coaching to even bring forth.
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Just noticed something kinda cool. The poll in this thread as of now has exactly 100 votes. And now that we’ve reached the mid-point of the season, the six “wait until mid-point” can be converted to “fire”. Which means 90 votes for termination and 10 votes for keeping him around. LOL.
Our playoff hopes are all but lost at this point. Pick an assistant, let him take over, we might have a better shot at the playoffs. As you said, we get a look at players and how they perform with a different leader. There have been too many players that come to Az and get worse, while others go elsewhere and play better. It seems like the pending UFAs in Goose/Demers/Hjam would want to play well with a contract coming. Its so obvious OEL doesn't play well for RT.
The last 3 years plus this year should be enough for BA to know he has to make a coaching change. If they liked RT, they would have extended him before now. Give Varardy the interim title, doesn't cost anything, nothing to lose, this summer you can pick the permanent coach. I don't get it?
SpaceCoyote
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Want him gone as much as anyone here, but I'm not too surprised he is still here. Armstrong actually praised the team's performance against the Avs on his Monday morning radio interview. So to him this has just been a bad 3 game stretch.
I would be interested in adding another assistant or having BA get behind the bench and sending Stillman down to Tucson to try to save that sinking ship.
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If they don’t want to fire him on the road, that leaves Sunday. Which doesn’t seem likely. So, of course, we have back-to-backs against Colorado on Monday and Tuesday.
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Wasted opportunity.
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What in the Coyotes' history would lead you to believe that they'd do the right thing and fire Tocchet today?
Yeah it’s not going to happen. They’re deathly afraid of bad PR. They’re going wait until a week or two after the season and announce they are not retaining him at 10pm on a Friday, and that will be it.
RemoAZ
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True. If they weren't afraid of bad PR we'd still have our top draft pick from last season and probably DeAngelo too.
Yeah and you know what, that’d be fine by me. If they do wrong by you once they’re in your organization then you do what you have to do, but not giving people a chance because you don’t want bad press is pretty cowardly if you ask me. The fact that a player as talented as DeAngelo isn’t even playing on a team right now should tell you exactly where our culture is at the moment.
With a favourable schedule in April, I think we need someone new in by then to give the guys a fresh start.
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Tells me more about just how toxic he is as a person, honestly. Because you can say what you want about the culture wars, but pro sports exercise way more leeway in those regards because of precisely what you mentioned - player talent. A truly talented player receives near-endless largesse, and only when their misbehavior gets really egregious does the hammer fall.
Those are just outside assumptions. He’s had multiple NYR teammates publicly state they think it’s been overblown and can’t understand why he’s not playing. It used to be the way you’re talking about but it isn’t that way anymore.
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Toc has to be protected by ownership for some reason. That is the only logical conclusion at this point.
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Perhaps DeAngelo has learned his lesson. I believe people can change and would be inclined to take him back with a very short leash.
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Almost every bad actor has allies, especially in pro sports. Unless a player is a recluse or loner type, he'll have some teammates who will side with him no matter the behavior.
But the larger issue is this - if Tony DeAngelo wasn't on his final strike in NHL circles, he'd absolutely 100% be playing somewhere no matter what he did in the past, because of the ever-present belief in reclamation projects. The only way that wouldn't be true is if he came out and publicly criticized the league for his issues, like Dan Carcillo did. That's the unforgivable sin among the Boys' Club.
