Fire Sutter?

[johnjm22]

The roster isn't terrible.

 

[Model62]

No. Hush. This team is paying the price for Richards, Voynov, and a couple of cup run contracts. Sutter remains a forward looking coach, who understands the mix of motivation and spreadsheets today's game requires. Cripes. Should Sutter go. Get hold of yourselves.

 

[Herby]

The roster isn't terrible.

They don't have a first line winger, the center making $10m a season looks a step slow, Martinez and Muzzin are being exploited regularly. The bottom six for like the 9th time in 11 seasons provides no offense. And they have nothing in the system to call up because of traded and botched picks.

Switching up the coach isn't going to change any of that.

 

[johnjm22]

They don't have a first line winger, the center making $10m a season looks a step slow, Martinez and Muzzin are being exploited regularly. The bottom six for like the 9th time in 11 seasons provides no offense. And they have nothing in the system to call up because of traded and botched picks.

Switching up the coach isn't going to change any of that.

They're under performing. I'd take this years roster over last years.

The Coyotes have a terrible roster. The Kings are not in the same echelon.

 

[damacles1156]

They don't have a first line winger, the center making $10m a season looks a step slow, Martinez and Muzzin are being exploited regularly. The bottom six for like the 9th time in 11 seasons provides no offense. And they have nothing in the system to call up because of traded and botched picks.

Switching up the coach isn't going to change any of that.

I wouldn't lump the bottom six in there.

They are actually producing something. Trevor Lewis is on pace for another career year, Brown is producing, Dowd as well.

The production loss of Gabo/Toffoli/Kopitar is killing this team.

Kopitar has 3G in his last 29 NHL games, 2 of them are at ES.

Dwight King has 4G in his last 29 NHL games all at ES.

Kyle Clifford has 3G in his last 29 NHL games all at ES

Jordan Nolan 4G in his last 29 NHL games all at ES

Gabo has 13 ES goals in his last 75+ NHL games.

Let that sink in folks.

 

[lumbergh]

Team needs a change in direction. The Cup teams of 2012 and 2014 are gone and what's left look like dinosaurs. The team has no real identity or joy. The hockey the Kings play is almost unwatchable. I'd rather watch a fun young team lose 5-4 than an old team dump and chase and maybe make it to overtime. The Kings' regulation record should tell you how poorly the team has played this season.

It's time for Lombardi and Sutter to both go so that a new GM can find a coach that will bring an up-tempo game. This is more important than roster changes. It doesn't much matter whether it happens now or at the end of the season. I can't see DL and Sutter both being shown the door during the season.

 

[damacles1156]

Team needs a change in direction. The Cup teams of 2012 and 2014 are gone and what's left look like dinosaurs. The team has no real identity or joy. The hockey the Kings play is almost unwatchable. I'd rather watch a fun young team lose 5-4 than an old team dump and chase and maybe make it to overtime. The Kings' regulation record should tell you how poorly the team has played this season.

It's time for Lombardi and Sutter to both go so that a new GM can find a coach that will bring an up-tempo game. This is more important than roster changes. It doesn't much matter whether it happens now or at the end of the season. I can't see DL and Sutter both being shown the door during the season.

A change in style to say the Hawks ? Requires a complete tear down, and re-drafting of players that can make that system work.

I am all for it, but I understand that will take years to complete.

 

[damacles1156]

About the system.

The Kings are trying to play an up-tempo system now, and it doesn't work.

They don't have the personal to do it.

They don't even play Kings hockey anymore, or even Sutter hockey.

 

[lumbergh]

The players make the system, the system doesn't make them.

A change in style to say the Hawks ? Requires a complete tear down, and re-drafting of players that can make that system work.

DL set the direction with the players he brought in. Lots of drafts looking for size only to realize that the game passed the Kings by too late. Forbort, McNabb, King, Lewis, Andreoff, and so many others.

It's time a new GM blows out the spare pieces he can and refresh the team while Kopitar, Carter, Doughty and Quick can still play. Needs to start by setting a new tone and direction for the team.

I would look to the Sharks and Blackhawks as models.

 

[johnjm22]

About the system.

The Kings are trying to play an up-tempo system now, and it doesn't work.

They don't have the personal to do it.

They don't even play Kings hockey anymore, or even Sutter hockey.

You're making a good case for a coaching change.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Could we try some new fangled PP coach to supplement the existing coaching group?

 

[lumbergh]

About the system.

The Kings are trying to play an up-tempo system now, and it doesn't work.

They don't have the personal to do it.

They don't even play Kings hockey anymore, or even Sutter hockey.

Agreed whole-heartedly. Kings hockey is dead. Sutter hockey is dead.

It's going to take personnel changes, starting from the top.

 

[damacles1156]

DL set the direction with the players he brought in. Lots of drafts looking for size only to realize that the game passed the Kings by too late. Forbort, McNabb, King, Lewis, Andreoff, and so many others.

It's time a new GM blows out the spare pieces he can and refresh the team while Kopitar, Carter, Doughty and Quick can still play. Needs to start by setting a new tone and direction for the team.

I would look to the Sharks and Blackhawks as models.

By the time they draft the pieces needed, and develop them.

Kopitar/Carter/Quick will be out the door or on their last legs as NHL players.

 

[damacles1156]

Agreed whole-heartedly. Kings hockey is dead. Sutter hockey is dead.

It's going to take personnel changes, starting from the top.

That I do agree with.

If you want a completely different system, you have to fire Lombardi and his entire staff.

Scorched earth.

Then Draft an entire new core.

 

[damacles1156]

You're making a good case for a coaching change.

If the new coach can get them back to hitting people, and playing Kings hockey, I am all for it. I simply don't think an new coach can.

Kind hard to out do Sutter at his own philosophy. I guess Stothers could.

 

[johnjm22]

Agreed whole-heartedly. Kings hockey is dead. Sutter hockey is dead.

No it's not. If Sutter goes to another team after this they'll be lucky to have him, and I think he'll do a great job.

People said "Sutter Hockey" was dead even before he got here. Look how wrong they were.

 

[Bleedred]

Yes please!

FIRE HIM!

The Devils would (should) be very interested in obtaining his services. I think he's done all he can with the Kings, so I can see him being fired, even though I've talked to other Kings fans and they've scoffed at the idea of him being fired. I wouldn't bet on him being canned if the Kings miss the playoffs, but I think it's possible and if you start out poorly next year, I think Dean pulls the plug on him.

He'll get scooped up pretty fast, maybe within a week if he's fired in season. So the Kings won't be on the hook for his salary.

 

[damacles1156]

Yes please!

FIRE HIM!

The Devils would (should) be very interested in obtaining his services. I think he's done all he can with the Kings, so I can see him being fired, even though I've talked to other Kings fans and they've scoffed at the idea of him being fired. I wouldn't bet on him being canned if the Kings miss the playoffs, but I think it's possible and if you start out poorly next year, I think Dean pulls the plug on him.

He'll get scooped up pretty fast, maybe within a week if he's fired in season. So the Kings won't be on the hook for his salary.

Sutter would be a great coach for the Devils.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

I think Sutter should have been fired after the trash can problem

 

[King'sPawn]

Futa, I don't think he is that great, the scouting department has made some bad choices as well.

First of all, Futa would be the GM, so he wouldn't be doing as much scouting as he is now. Second of all, questioning Futa's capability as a GM based off of "some bad choices" is pretty absurd. All teams make bad choices. And, honestly, do we have to go back to comparing the Kings drafting of late versus other teams?

I feel like Lombardi should go first. And let the new GM dictate the direction of team / coach.

It really depends on what Lombardi does this year. If he makes moves to restock the cupboard, then I feel he should stay. If he makes another last ditch run to make the playoffs, he should go, because it would tell me he's not learning from his mistakes.

No... You ride him out till the end of the season and work from there.... Nobody is available that will make a difference.

And dont give me the (we should have fired him for Julien) very few teams do that, none would do that to a coach with the resume of sutter

I agree. Sutter is a good coach whose message is not getting through to the team. There's a lot less leadership in the locker room, in my opinion; overall less focus. Players like Quick, Williams, Regehr, Mitchell really helped with that. The core is aging together, which isn't necessarily a bad thing... but there's no older contingent/veterans who seem to bring along the youth.

Ultimately, I would like to see Sutter leave on his own terms after the season is over. He's done so much for the Kings that firing him doesn't feel right.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Can't we just dangle Dustin Brown out there again?

Oh wait that was three years ago and he was captain...

Maybe we should do that with our current captain?

 

[AlphaBravo]

Sutter's style of hockey is not dead. I think it is very effective if properly executed. The problem is that the our top guys are not performing. Carter appears to be the exception, but I have trouble believing that all of a sudden Kopitar, Toffoli, Gaborik Brown et al are done. Like 2012, we can't trade away the entire team, but we can bring in a new coach with a new voice that will reinvigorate these underperforming players. Either way, if this team doesn't make the playoffs or gets bounced first round, I think Sutter is gone for sure and maybe Lombardi.

Also, there is nothing wrong with our roster. Every team has a few holes like the Kings, but we have all the necessary players to be contenders: 1C, 2C, elite 1D, and an elite goalie when healthy. We can do damage if there is a shake up with coaching.

 

[Bleedred]

Sutter would be a great coach for the Devils.

I think so too.

Hynes is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen at the NHL level. He doesn't value possession at all, even though have an analytics apartment, probably just because it's the cool thing to do. He doesn't recognize good possession players, he plays Ben Lovejoy like he's a #2 defensemen, he gets outcoached by literally everyone except for Dan Bylsma. There's no doubt in my mind that he isn't one of the 5 worst head coaches in the league. Bylsma, Tippett (Who was once good many years ago), Bednar, Carlyle, those might be the only one's definitely worse. Therrien just got canned, so there's one less head coach worse than him still in the league. He could probably coach the Ducks to the playoffs if he was their coach, like Carlyle is and he can probably coach 8-10 teams in the league and they'd still be a playoff team. That's about it though.

 

[Vamos Rafa]

I have zero confidence that John Stevens or any of the UFA coaches will make a difference.

Mike Stothers would be a good candidate, but he is more like Sutter than any of the coaches in the LA stable.

MTL took the best available coach on the market.

UFA coach? It's not like there's such thing as an RFA coach.

 

[salsa man]

Sutter's the third longest tenured coach right now behind only Q and Jon Cooper.

Incorrect. Cooper was promoted halfway through the 2012-13 season. Sutter obviously won the Cup the year before.