Fire Shaw

We would be laughing at other fanbases if they were proclaiming their forwards to be superior as they are getting out produced by a defenseman.
It's hysterical how some fans are such homers. The issue is not saying that Michkov is going to be a really good player. I have doubts that he reaches Kucherov level. It's saying that Michkov is speical while saying that Hutson isn't. When it's Hutson who is the player as a 20 year old that is actually doing something special while Michkov is not. All you can do is laugh
 
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How is it overrated? Every dmen has looked better with him and worse when they leave. Walker, Seeler, Risto, Drysdale, Sanhiem etc.
Shaw is overrated because he simply is not this magical defenseman coach that some Philly fans think he is. First of all Drysdale, Seeler, Ristolainen and Sanheim have not left. They're still here. All that they have done is put a defensive structure in place. A conservative defensive first system that is not conducive to the modern day NHL and the attack, transition league that it is. It's the equivalent of playing zone defense as opposed to man to man in basketball. When or if they bring in a new coach who hopefully installs a modern day aggressive system and style of play. Players like Ristolainen, Seeler and Drysdale will be exposed for what they are. Ristolainen and Seeler are at best 3rd pair NHL defenseman and Drysdale is an offensive defenseman who is not very good offensively and poor defensively.
 
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Shaw is overrated because he simply is not this magical defenseman coach that some Philly fans think he is. First of all Drysdale, Seeler, Ristolainen and Sanheim have not left. They're still here. All that they have done is put a defensive structure in place. A conservative defensive first system that is not conducive to the modern day NHL and the attack, transition league that it is. It's the equivalent of playing zone defense as opposed to man to man in basketball. When or if they bring in a new coach who hopefully installs a modern day aggressive system and style of play. Players like Ristolainen, Seeler and Drysdale will be exposed for what they are. Ristolainen and Seeler are at best 3rd pair NHL defenseman and Drysdale is an offensive defenseman who is not very good offensively and poor defensively.
Walker has left and was good offensively before he did. Drysdale has finally come along. Both are offensive examples.

You are potentially looking at getting 3 1sts or more from Walker, Seeler, and Risto.
 
How is it overrated? Every dmen has looked better with him and worse when they leave. Walker, Seeler, Risto, Drysdale, Sanhiem etc.

I’m not sure any of Sanheim’s top 3 seasons came since the Tortorella hire.

Drysdale’s play so far had better not be an example of anything important or they’re in even more trouble than I thought.

Risto yes. Seeler…sure? He had a solid season and then a passable one. Now he’s back to being a net negative, but not as much of a negative as before. That’s not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Walker’s an interesting one because he had slowed down by the time he was traded. Then he didn’t play all that well in Colorado and ended up on a good contract post-hype where’s a solid player again. He was also quite good as a rookie in LA. Not the most traditional career arc.
 
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Walker has left and was good offensively before he did. Drysdale has finally come along. Both are offensive examples.

You are potentially looking at getting 3 1sts or more from Walker, Seeler, and Risto.
Drysdale has finally come along? He has 20 points in 65 games. He's gone from being seriously bad to being mediocre at best. I'd be shocked if the Flyers got a first round pick for Ristolainen in a trade. He is going to continue to decline in the future.
 
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I know I did not see Nick Seeler mentioned in the same breath as a 1st round pick.

To be fair, Seeler is more productive at ES. That’s my rover.

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Drysdale has finally come along? He has 20 points in 65 games. He's gone from being seriously bad to being mediocre at best. I'd be shocked if the Flyers got a first round pick for Ristolainen in a trade. He is going to continue to decline in the future.
Yea as in he’s scored the same pts the last month as the first 3 and looks noticeably better. 5 goals in March.

I guess get ready to get shocked? I see him getting a 1st and 2nd if he’s healthy all year.
 
I’m not sure any of Sanheim’s top 3 seasons came since the Tortorella hire.

Drysdale’s play so far had better not be an example of anything important or they’re in even more trouble than I thought.

Risto yes. Seeler…sure? He had a solid season and then a passable one. Now he’s back to being a net negative, but not as much of a negative as before. That’s not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Walker’s an interesting one because he had slowed down by the time he was traded. Then he didn’t play all that well in Colorado and ended up on a good contract post-hype where’s a solid player again. He was also quite good as a rookie in LA. Not the most traditional career arc.

Drysdale has finally looked ok. He’s got a long way to go but I think he’s gotten better through the year. I think his injury may have had a lot to do with that as well though. Walker played the best hockey while he was here. Risto and Seeler. Sanheim good enough to go to 4 nations. I think the D is the only positive trajectory this team has seen recently.

I know I did not see Nick Seeler mentioned in the same breath as a 1st round pick.
I could see it. Shot blocker heart and soul player. You don’t think a playoff NHL GM is going to drool over that?
 
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I will litrilly bet my soul he does not. Hopefully, he’s flying back from the Milano Cortina Olympics with McDavid on a Flyers chartered plane, while my soul is flying elsewhere.
Ok your soul if I’m right and my concession if I’m wrong.

I can see a better PP next year and Risto on it with better players around him. If he stays healthy, I think a lot of people will want him.
 
Yea as in he’s scored the same pts the last month as the first 3 and looks noticeably better. 5 goals in March.

I guess get ready to get shocked? I see him getting a 1st and 2nd if he’s healthy all year.
Do you know what sample size is? Who is getting a 1st and a 2nd, Ristolainen? I'm starting to understand you now.
 
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I could see it. Shot blocker heart and soul player. You don’t think a playoff NHL GM is going to drool over that?

Want that on their team? Sure.

Pay 2.7 with significant term left for the privilege of doing it? Our pool is now tiny.

Give up a 1st? If something is below my personal bar for not even NHL teams are incompetent enough to have that discussion, you've got a better chance of Alain Vigneault admitting a mistake.
 
Want that on their team? Sure.

Pay 2.7 with significant term left for the privilege of doing it? Our pool is now tiny.

Give up a 1st? If something is below my personal bar for not even NHL teams are incompetent enough to have that discussion, you've got a better chance of Alain Vigneault admitting a mistake.
He’d have to keep it up until his final year and retain.
 
Walker has left and was good offensively before he did. Drysdale has finally come along. Both are offensive examples.

You are potentially looking at getting 3 1sts or more from Walker, Seeler, and Risto.
Seeler looked good next to Walker. Seeler has regressed this season. Drysdale has been inconsistent at best and is below average defensively
 
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Seeler regressed significantly this season
The perception of Seeler is high. I’m not saying Carolina pays a 1st for him. You may have to add a pick or player, but I think you can get a 1st for the player he is today.

Ben Chiarot returned a 1st and 4th. NHL teams pay stupid prices for dmen. Including the Flyers.
 
We would be laughing at other fanbases if they were proclaiming their forwards to be superior as they are getting out produced by a defenseman.
I mean Nolan Patrick is just as good as Tavares. Basically people are clueless and for the most part fall victim to their own biases and the crap teams pr keeps feeding them. Then you add in the fact that development isn't linear and how arbitrary things such as draft value impacts players reputation and you get to Fisto/Drysdale being spoken of as core pieces.
 
Did they not turn down a 3rd rounder for Seeler as a 30 year old rental? 32 year old Seeler, with extra term, should return close to nothing — certainly less. I’m not even sure the Flyers would want a 3rd round pick for him today. With Laughton gone, the culture standard bearers are getting thin.
 
I don't pay as much attention league wide these days, but I'm pretty sure guys who fetch a 1st at the deadline are guys with pedigree or a resume, of which Seeler has neither.

Do teams overpay for his "type"? Sure. We just saw that with Laughton this year. But he's a former 1st round pick and fugazi center. Seeler was a very late bloomer to even stick in the league, and on a contender should be your 7D at best.

A team could certainly overpay for him, but a 1st? No way.
 

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