Proposal: Fire Jeff Jackson

[Fishy McScales]

Wouldn't be the Oilers board if someone shouldn't be fired.

Do we know that Jackson is good or bad at what he does? He wasn't a great interim GM but he's not the GM so people must want him fired for something else and I legit have no idea what it is because I have zero insight into his daily operations.

Enlighten me?

 

[midnightcopper]

Wouldn't be the Oilers board if someone shouldn't be fired.

Do we know that Jackson is good or bad at what he does? He wasn't a great interim GM but he's not the GM so people must want him fired for something else and I legit have no idea what it is because I have zero insight into his daily operations.

Enlighten me?

Well, Fishy (and pardon me for assuming we know each other on a first name basis), the object of a GM, or interim GM is to make the team better. Letting someone go who scores 26 goals and 37 assists on a medicore Blues team, is not a good start. I was angry then, and I'm still angry now...so I want someone who makes a lot of money making dumb decisions fired. Not sure if it's enlightening, but it can be therapeutic.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Well, Fishy (and pardon me for assuming we know each other on a first name basis), the object of a GM, or interim GM is to make the team better. Letting someone go who scores 26 goals and 37 assists on a medicore Blues team, is not a good start. I was angry then, and I'm still angry now...so I want someone who makes a lot of money making dumb decisions fired. Not sure if it's enlightening, but it can be therapeutic.

Yes, we saw that he shouldn't be the GM. He isn't the GM. He wasn't hired to be the GM.

He is CEO of hockey ops. No one is providing a reason for why he shouldn't be CEO of hockey ops, just for why he shouldn't be GM, which, again, he isn't.

 

[harpoon]

He gave insulting offers that made us virtually guaranteed to lose Holloway and Broberg, and all to add Skinner and Arvidsson. Jackson is utterly clueless.

Broberg was not coming back at any price. I don’t know why people keep posting as if he wanted to stay with the Oilers. It seems pretty clear that he had his feels hurt by the fact that he wasn’t handed the spot on the roster that his big head felt he deserved. This in spite of the fact that he played like a wimp with no confidence in moving the puck every time the Oilers gave him a chance. The year in the AHL was precisely what he needed. When he hit the ice in the playoffs last year he looked like a changed player. Skating the puck up ice with confidence, making crisp passes. He performed very well in the most pressure filled situation in pro hockey. It’s obvious that he’s too dumb to realize that he should be thanking the Oilers for giving him the chance to develop properly. Not only was he never coming back, he hates the Oilers so much that he went and convinced Holloway to join him in the OS gambit.

So let’s not blame Jackson for Broberg. Holloway? Yeah, that might be partly Jackson’s fault. But let’s not kid ourselves. Holloway was all about getting the quick money and I don’t think Broberg had much trouble twisting his rubber arm to go along with him.

The real fail by Jackson was giving multi year over priced deals with trade protection to Arvidsson and Henrique. That was just monumentally stupid. Even if Holloway wanted to chase the quick money, the team could have done better than Arvidsson and Henrique for $7 million.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Broberg was not coming back at any price. I don’t know why people keep posting as if he wanted to stay with the Oilers. It seems pretty clear that he had his feels hurt by the fact that he wasn’t handed the spot on the roster that his big head felt he deserved. This in spite of the fact that he played like a wimp with no confidence in moving the puck every time the Oilers gave him a chance. The year in the AHL was precisely what he needed. When he hit the ice in the playoffs last year he looked like a changed player. Skating the puck up ice with confidence, making crisp passes. He performed very well in the most pressure filled situation in pro hockey. It’s obvious that he’s too dumb to realize that he should be thanking the Oilers for giving him the chance to develop properly. Not only was he never coming back, he hates the Oilers so much that he went and convinced Holloway to join him in the OS gambit.

So let’s not blame Jackson for Broberg. Holloway? Yeah, that might be partly Jackson’s fault. But let’s not kid ourselves. Holloway was all about getting the quick money and I don’t think Broberg had much trouble twisting his rubber arm to go along with him.

The real fail by Jackson was giving multi year over priced deals with trade protection to Arvidsson and Henrique. That was just monumentally stupid. Even if Holloway wanted to chase the quick money, the team could have done better than Arvidsson and Henrique for $7 million.

Agree with the overall points but I wouldn't lop in Henrique with Arvidsson.

Henrique had already been part of a final run, and this year he was an experienced third-liner without PP time who was 50 xG% through the first three rounds before everyone's game took a hit against Florida. For 3M I don't have a problem with that.

Arvidsson was a clear swing and a miss, though. Nowhere near the 25-goal scorer with grit and tenacity they were hoping for. Snowpants 2.0 who was a HS through half the playoffs.

I think he's tradeable, though, without giving up anything significant or we might even get a C-level prospect or late pick in return. You could get a rebuilding team to take a chance that he has a bit of a bounce back and they can flip him at the deadline. Sell Arvid on the idea and he might waive after his failure here.

 

[Jumptheshark]

so we now have threads on the main page, sacking the coach, gm, Prez and I think the goaltending coach one is lurking down below somewhere. It is going to be a long off season

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Ray Ferraro called it out on an interview with Rishaug at the beginning of the playoffs that losing Holloway was a big mistake. Broberg and Holloway were high number one draft picks, and I don't see many of those growing on trees in Edmonton. Although not the most productive players, Foegele and McLeod anchored one of the most successful penalty kills in NHL history. Yes, let them go, too. If I were the owner, heads would roll, but I'm not. We are giving our opinions on a fan board, but these guys are making millions to make bad decisions. Not sure if too much damage has been done.

I still understand why they let Broberg walk, but letting Holloway walk over that amount was ridiculously dumb.

 

[McJadeddog]

I still understand why they let Broberg walk, but letting Holloway walk over that amount was ridiculously dumb.

This is certainly the general consensus at this point. Broberg never rescinded his trade request from earlier in the year, so he was going to be very difficult to resign. Holloway loved it here though and was from Alberta. Letting him go for a perceived $500k overpayment was very dumb. All we have done is take the 2nd rounder we got for him, trade it for a, older, less talented player in Frederic, and are now about to pay Frederic about $1.25 M more more than Holloway makes. So we traded Holloway for Frederic plus took on about $1.25 M in cap. Pretty terrible asset and cap management.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

This is certainly the general consensus at this point. Broberg never rescinded his trade request from earlier in the year, so he was going to be very difficult to resign. Holloway loved it here though and was from Alberta. Letting him go for a perceived $500k overpayment was very dumb. All we have done is take the 2nd rounder we got for him, trade it for a, older, less talented player in Frederic, and are now about to pay Frederic about $1.25 M more more than Holloway makes. So we traded Holloway for Frederic plus took on about $1.25 M in cap. Pretty terrible asset and cap management.

This is pretty standard stuff for this franchise though. Also we only got a third rounder for Holloway which just makes it look even worse.

Even with Broberg the Oilers obviously never expected an offer sheet. I would have been hesitant to match his but they should've sat him down and tried to smooth things out and if he wasn't going to stay, trade him. You definitely would've gotten something better than a second for him.

 

[timekeep]

Jeff Jackson, presumably, was brought here for the sole purpose of getting Conner McDavid resigned. It certainly wasn’t for his ability to build a hockey team. The clock for that doesn’t even start ticking for another 13 days. He isn’t getting fired until that issue is resolved one way or another.

The guy before him was bought in to make Katz more money and didn't know much about hockey development either.

 

[WaitingForUser]

This is certainly the general consensus at this point. Broberg never rescinded his trade request from earlier in the year, so he was going to be very difficult to resign. Holloway loved it here though and was from Alberta. Letting him go for a perceived $500k overpayment was very dumb. All we have done is take the 2nd rounder we got for him, trade it for a, older, less talented player in Frederic, and are now about to pay Frederic about $1.25 M more more than Holloway makes. So we traded Holloway for Frederic plus took on about $1.25 M in cap. Pretty terrible asset and cap management.

Letting Holloway walk was a message to the team. They won’t allow players to put themselves above the team. It was Brobergs agent that decided to collude with the blues and they took Holloway along for the ride. In hindsight yes he was worth the ask but how do you set a precedent for everybody by caving to a guy who doesn’t even have arbitration rights? It makes the organization look weak.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Yes, we saw that he shouldn't be the GM. He isn't the GM. He wasn't hired to be the GM.

He is CEO of hockey ops. No one is providing a reason for why he shouldn't be CEO of hockey ops, just for why he shouldn't be GM, which, again, he isn't.

Um I think he's probably fine in that role, but he should be fired for making such a big blunder of last offseason.

That kind of mess should have serious consequences

 

[McShogun99]

This is pretty standard stuff for this franchise though. Also we only got a third rounder for Holloway which just makes it look even worse.

Even with Broberg the Oilers obviously never expected an offer sheet. I would have been hesitant to match his but they should've sat him down and tried to smooth things out and if he wasn't going to stay, trade him. You definitely would've gotten something better than a second for him.

Offer sheet Hoffer for the same deal that Holloway got. If STL doesn't match then look at it like Holloway for Hoffer and Broberg for Frederic, Kapanen, Fisher and a 3rd.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Um I think he's probably fine in that role, but he should be fired for making such a big blunder of last offseason.

That kind of mess should have serious consequences

This is like putting McDavid in goal and after he lets in a bunch of stinkers go "trade that loser!"

 

[McJadeddog]

Letting Holloway walk was a message to the team. They won’t allow players to put themselves above the team. It was Brobergs agent that decided to collude with the blues and they took Holloway along for the ride. In hindsight yes he was worth the ask but how do you set a precedent for everybody by caving to a guy who doesn’t even have arbitration rights? It makes the organization look weak.

But then they signed Drai to a $14 M deal, or was it before? It doesn't really matter if it was before or after. The reality is that the Drai contract hurts the Oilers, and is going to be something that needs to be "worked around" by the GM. Having him at $12 would have been a value contract, but Drai negotiated full price, and good on him for it. But lets hope we don't make the same mistake with McDavid this summer. McDavid can afford to take a steep discount, especially if he takes a short 2-3 contract, which truthfully Drai wasn't in a position to do.

 

[WaitingForUser]

But then they signed Drai to a $14 M deal, or was it before? It doesn't really matter if it was before or after. The reality is that the Drai contract hurts the Oilers, and is going to be something that needs to be "worked around" by the GM. Having him at $12 would have been a value contract, but Drai negotiated full price, and good on him for it. But lets hope we don't make the same mistake with McDavid this summer. McDavid can afford to take a steep discount, especially if he takes a short 2-3 contract, which truthfully Drai wasn't in a position to do.

Leon has put up what 6 straight 100 point seasons? He also was the best value contact in the league and vastly underpaid for 6 of the 8 years he made 8.5. This is not the same as a guy who played 50 games in the show.

 

[McJadeddog]

Leon has put up what 6 straight 100 point seasons? He also was the best value contact in the league and vastly underpaid for 6 of the 8 years he made 8.5. This is not the same as a guy who played 50 games in the show.

Agreed. They are different, and should be handled differently. My point is that we don't push for value contracts overall, and the biggest names are (unfortunately for them, and unfairly as well I would point out) the ones that have the most to give, based on simple math, and them having a bigger cap %. Example: Drai taking a 10% discount affects the team more than Janmark taking a 10% discount. I get Drai going after money, I really do, as he didn't get his MASSIVE payment yet. My bigger concern is the McDavid contract, as he can afford to take less and his contract will be bigger, and therefore any discount he provides will have more impact on the cap.

The other side of that, is that you could have 10 players who make $1 M/year demand 10% more, and all of them are offset by 1 player who would make normally make $10 M/year accepting 10% less.

The big name players are where the cap value of the contracts is felt the most, this is just basic math. It's not fair to these big name players at all, but it is what it is. Florida has won the cup twice and has 7 big name players that are all on significant cap friendly deals going into next year. Bennett and Ekblad are both already being rumored to take team-friendly deals as well. Florida has a very, VERY good chance on winning the cup again next year, simply based on their cap structure alone. The Oilers have exactly 1 team friendly deal on a big name player going into next year (Hyman).

 

[AUAIOMRN]

Letting Holloway walk was a message to the team. They won’t allow players to put themselves above the team. It was Brobergs agent that decided to collude with the blues and they took Holloway along for the ride. In hindsight yes he was worth the ask but how do you set a precedent for everybody by caving to a guy who doesn’t even have arbitration rights? It makes the organization look weak.

So, what, anyone that wants a fair deal is "putting himself before the team"? What a ridiculous way to run a team, or any kind of business really.

To quote Anton Chigurh: "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Crazy how every poster that was stoked with Jackson’s free agency and calling it the summer of Jackson are now against him.

Almost like HF posters also wouldn’t make good GM’s like they think they would.

 

[BeranekAndNeck]

Crazy how every poster that was stoked with Jackson’s free agency and calling it the summer of Jackson are now against him.

Almost like HF posters also wouldn’t make good GM’s like they think they would.

Yes and no. Analytics were pretty damningly against all of those moves and Klingberg was not a reclamation project that made any sense given where this team is in their competitive window. Doubly so for Stu. I think the fans expected Jackson not to be a tired old dinosaur like Holland, but he seems to be even worse in that regard.

Unfortunately we have another POHO and GM who want to use the eye test for everything when the best teams are living in the Year 3000.

 

[WaitingForUser]

So, what, anyone that wants a fair deal is "putting himself before the team"? What a ridiculous way to run a team, or any kind of business really.

To quote Anton Chigurh: "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"

It wasn’t a fair deal until he went to the blues and went off like a firecracker. You don’t pay a player north of 2 million dollars for the points he had put up to that point in his career. Thats how you end up with contracts like Pujus:

 

[Fishy McScales]

Yes and no. Analytics were pretty damningly against all of those moves and Klingberg was not a reclamation project that made any sense given where this team is in their competitive window. Doubly so for Stu. I think the fans expected Jackson not to be a tired old dinosaur like Holland, but he seems to be even worse in that regard.

Unfortunately we have another POHO and GM who want to use the eye test for everything when the best teams are living in the Year 3000.

Disagree a bit with the bolded. It made sense for the Oilers to take a chance on a cheap, low-risk player when they were shallow on RD.

Like, what, would he have made more sense for San Jose?

I've seen this argument about Klingberg so many times on here and I never understood it. Like, there was literally no risk attached. He even played really well in the playoffs for about two and a half rounds.

 

[Shizuka]

If this asshole fails in the ONE thing he was brought in to do (ensure McDavid stays an Oiler for life)... words can't express the vitriol the fan base will have for him.

 

[oXo Cube]

Crazy how every poster that was stoked with Jackson’s free agency and calling it the summer of Jackson are now against him.

Almost like HF posters also wouldn’t make good GM’s like they think they would.

This is obviously very true, I would make a godawful NHL GM.

But it's kind of a pointless statement because I'm not an NHL GM, I'm words on an internet message board. We aren't and shouldn't be held to the same standard.

 

[AUAIOMRN]

It wasn’t a fair deal until he went to the blues and went off like a firecracker. You don’t pay a player north of 2 million dollars for the points he had put up to that point in his career. Thats how you end up with contracts like Pujus:

If someone's willing to pay it then it's fair. The offer sheet is just a way of forcing something to happen, and is actually better for the team than the player holding out and missing games/training camp. If I recall correctly, Holloway himself was shocked that it wasn't matched - he wasn't trying to leave the team, just get a better deal. If that's putting yourself before the team, then Draisaitl did the same thing when he negotiated his new contract, and Nurse is basically a traitor.