Calm down, they're only talking about the 2000 draft, and how much input Sather may or may not have had. This is not a referendum on Sather's entire draft history.
Speculation: Fire Glen Sather
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Calm down, they're only talking about the 2000 draft, and how much input Sather may or may not have had. This is not a referendum on Sather's entire draft history.
Sather did inherit a major mess in 2000.
His mistake, and possibly the biggest one he made here, was running the team the exact same way that led them to that mess.
His mistake, and possibly the biggest one he made here, was running the team the exact same way that led them to that mess.
Right, a future hall of famer. To say Sather had something to build around in Lundqvist from the start is just hindsight speaking. When he was drafted, he wasn't the Lundqvist he is today, and he wasn't the Lundqvist he was almost 10 years ago when he came into the league. He was a 7th round goalie who might be able to fight for a spot to backup the other future hall of famer Dan Blackburn.
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I could swear that I've read that Sather wasn't running the draft table that year. But that doesn't necessarily mean he didn't have input.
Totally agree. Was just saying a lot of what success Sather has had here is based on someone who pretty much landed in his lap.
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I'm totally calm. Had a nice lunch. Took care of some errands. It does not change my opinion that Slats often gets blame but not credit for things like this.
Too bad you can't "win" this discussion without going over the top. I've been a fan as least as long as you have and can still see the other side of the argument. You can be a fan of this team and still hate Sather.
thought I may have read it too, tawnos, but I cannot remember if it was from in here or from the lion's mouth. Also, you'd think a guy who's taking over a taking organization in a big market would be involved. That's my point.
I think we had a huge thread about this at some point, and with the help of links we came to the conclusion that Sather was 'around' the 2000 draft and may have had input, but did not drive that draft for the Rangers or make the actual selections.
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That may be true but all kidding aside I fear all your hate of some players and Slats probably takes away from your enjoyment of the team. I used to be you in a away. I could not stand James Patrick after some years and I found myself having mixed emotions when he did well. The only one my "hate" ended up hurting was myself. Keep in mind that holding on to hate is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die.
I'm going to have to chew on this one for a while to see if I agree with it - or can even understand it!
I have no idea what you are talking about and you have no idea which players I like (or for that matter dislike--although those players are few and far between: just don't bring up the gutless puke, who thankfully retired years ago).
And do you think I spend what little free time I have watching the Rangers only to moan and groan about Sather?
You have no clue, please don't assume this crap about me.
PS: I really liked James Patrick--followed him his whole career--very underrated defenseman.
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Actually you are right in this case because I confused you with another poster. My bad. Sorry.
Whatever.
It doesn't take away from the fact that you should never assume a poster who dislikes or hates Sather is somehow less of a Ranger fan.
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I say you are right. Admit my mistake and apologize and that is your response? Stay classy
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What difference does it make who personally scouted and lobbied for Lundqvist?
Anybody who knows anything about Sather knows that he is not a passive, nominal GM. He is hands on. No pick is agreed upon until Sather is allowed to do his due diligence, especially the first draft as Rangers President and GM.
Regardless of who was responsible for discovering Lundqvist, there were about 25 other GMs with egg on their face
for missing the chance to draft him.
Sather is the guy who tells the coach who is getting called up and who is scratched.
Sather decided when Girardi, Callahan, Staal, Dubinsky, Hagelin, Stepan and Kreider were ready for the NHL.
Sather has faults and I think it's time for him to step aside but I don't get the bashing.
The Rangers had the 2nd best record in the NHL from late December to seasons end, and they're in the CF.
Time will tell if not having a 1st rounder 3 years in a row will hurt the franchise. I think it will hurt a bit.
Anybody who knows anything about Sather knows that he is not a passive, nominal GM. He is hands on. No pick is agreed upon until Sather is allowed to do his due diligence, especially the first draft as Rangers President and GM.
Regardless of who was responsible for discovering Lundqvist, there were about 25 other GMs with egg on their face
for missing the chance to draft him.
Sather is the guy who tells the coach who is getting called up and who is scratched.
Sather decided when Girardi, Callahan, Staal, Dubinsky, Hagelin, Stepan and Kreider were ready for the NHL.
Sather has faults and I think it's time for him to step aside but I don't get the bashing.
The Rangers had the 2nd best record in the NHL from late December to seasons end, and they're in the CF.
Time will tell if not having a 1st rounder 3 years in a row will hurt the franchise. I think it will hurt a bit.
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The 1992 team had 10 regulars Smith inherited. That team won the President's Trophy.
There is no way you can remotely equate the 1989-90 Rangers Smith inherited to the 2000-01 Rangers Sather inherited.
Great point. Jackass continued to trade away picks and throw ludicrous money at every UFA.
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I doubt Sather had much input on a 7th round tender he knew nothing about other than a great report put together by a Euro scout Neil Smith hired.
I doubt Sather had much input on a 7th round tender he knew nothing about other than a great report put together by a Euro scout Neil Smith hired.
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I doubt Sather had much input into any draft pick, ever. He doesn't even seem to be familiar with the players already in the NHL.
That said I doubt there are any GMs who are familiar with 7th rounders. I would be extremely surprised if Smith or Sather ever saw Hank play in person. He didn't even debut in the SEL until after we drafted him.
The guy who actually discovered Hank playing in a lower level in sweden was probably some scout assistant there to watch someone else.
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Rockstrom typically gets credit. He was likely the one that told Maloney to draft him when they hit the later rounds.
But I doubt he was the first to follow him for the Rangers. Rockstrom reads reports too.
Either way I never bought the "so and so hired the guy who did this so he gets the credit". It's lunacy. Smith hired Maloney. Maloney ran the draft where the Rangers took Lundqvist. Great. Maloney is also the reason we drafted Jessiman. Does Smith get credit for him? How many scouts were left over from Patrick/Esposito years during Smith's first (and only very successful) draft when we took Weight, Zubov and Nemchinov?
There is only one way to do it: if you are sitting in the seat when the player gets taken, you get credit. Smith was fired months before we took Lundqvist. Sather was the GM but due to his involvement in the Oilers draft was not in charge of Rangers draft. So neither of them should get credit.
It's even easier to justify minimizing the credit for this one particular thing. it was in the 7th round. A guy that deep in the draft isn't predicted to do too much. It's all time luck. For a related example Bill Belichick admitted as much about drafting Tom Brady. There's credit to be had but not too much for sure.
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