Player Discussion Fire Dustin Schwartz

[TheSpecialist]

I sometimes wonder how this Oiler organization evaluates the performance of a guy like Dustin Schwartz. Doesn't make any sense how a guy like himself is able to survive through so many goalie and coaching changes.

The Oilers are not going anywhere until goaltending in all areas including coaching is addressed.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I am amused how many people are coming off as if they sack this guy and Skinner becomes Ken Dryden over night

I’m amused by anything thinking this nepo hire should keep his job.

 

[McAsuno]

I am amused how many people are coming off as if they sack this guy and Skinner becomes Ken Dryden over night

What are you taking about? Nobody expects or thinks Skinners gonna be the next Ken Dryden once Schwartz gets cut. Thats just hyperbole nonsense. It’s more so about this incompetent shitbag of a goalie coach who’s been here since 2014, and the resume of awful goaltenders under his coaching speaks volume. I don’t know why you always try to get into this conversation just like how you had to be a buzz kill in the Emberson thread.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

I am amused how many people are coming off as if they sack this guy and Skinner becomes Ken Dryden over nighever watched

Its truly comical. Hes a bad goalie with bad skill & athleticism.
Yeah, its Schwartz fault that he's shit.
Too funny

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Its truly comical. Hes a bad goalie with bad skill & athleticism.
Yeah, its Schwartz fault that he's shit.
Too funny

10 years and goaltending has almost never been a strength of this team. Mike Smith gave this guy the middle finger. Anyone defending a decade of failure is out to lunch.

 

[Soundwave]

Its truly comical. Hes a bad goalie with bad skill & athleticism.
Yeah, its Schwartz fault that he's shit.
Too funny

Schwartz should be fired but yeah Skinner probably wouldn't be great anywhere. He's an unathletic goalie who can have the odd good game here and there and should be a back up goalie.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Its truly comical. Hes a bad goalie with bad skill & athleticism.
Yeah, its Schwartz fault that he's shit.
Too funny

Dubnyk had middling skill and athleticism and still cut a good career out for himself, he was a big goalie that played big, had a knack for anticipating the play, and being square to the shooter.

Like evaluating Skinner's game tonight was he getting torched cause of bad skill or athleticism? From what I seen he wasn't tracking the puck, he didn't anticipate the play, and his rebound control was abysmal. It wasn't cause of a lack of lateral agility or reflexes.


Also I call bullshit on the whole premise that the goalie coach not being super important, just look at the histories of Mitch Korn, Ian Clark, and Benoit Allaire (two of his pupils in Sean Burke and Bob Essensa appear to be very good goalie coaches in their own right).

 

[VeteranPresence]

Skinner still one of the team’s everyday and goalies and Schwartz still here = unserious management. We as fans need to not watch or attend games until they are serious.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

N/M. Its all been said before

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Its truly comical. Hes a bad goalie with bad skill & athleticism.
Yeah, its Schwartz fault that he's shit.
Too funny

It’s not just Skinner though, every goalie he’s worked with here has trended in the wrong direction. He’s been the voice on goaltending in Edmonton for a decade with input on coaching, development, scouting. He hasn’t been able to stabilize the goaltending position at any point. Even a veteran goaltender in Mike Smith went out and worked with his own goalie consultant and that period of time was probably the best stretch of goaltending the Oilers have had during Schwartz tenure, either that or Talbot when he first arrived from the Rangers program, but like everyone else, Talbots performance trended downward the longer he worked with Schwartz but after leaving he started turning it around. Talbots career perfectly illustrates what a black hole Schwartz is.

The best examples you could point to of guys he’s worked with who are half decent are Hart and Jarry, two guys who only work with him during summers and not in season.

He’s delivered zero results for this organization at the goaltending position.

 

[Kerberos]

I sometimes wonder how this Oiler organization evaluates the performance of a guy like Dustin Schwartz. Doesn't make any sense how a guy like himself is able to survive through so many goalie and coaching changes.

The Oilers are not going anywhere until goaltending in all areas including coaching is addressed.

The Oilers (and most professional sports clubs) are not run as an actual meritocracy and resemble country clubs. It's often who you know, not what you do. The Oilers just take it to an extreme level when it comes to the lack of accountability.

 

[Soundwave]

It’s not just Skinner though, every goalie he’s worked with here has trended in the wrong direction. He’s been the voice on goaltending in Edmonton for a decade with input on coaching, development, scouting. He hasn’t been able to stabilize the goaltending position at any point. Even a veteran goaltender in Mike Smith went out and worked with his own goalie consultant and that period of time was probably the best stretch of goaltending the Oilers have had during Schwartz tenure, either that or Talbot when he first arrived from the Rangers program, but like everyone else, Talbots performance trended downward the longer he worked with Schwartz but after leaving he started turning it around. Talbots career perfectly illustrates what a black hole Schwartz is.

The best examples you could point to of guys he’s worked with who are half decent are Hart and Jarry, two guys who only work with him during summers and not in season.

He’s delivered zero results for this organization at the goaltending position.

Your best bet is to get a veteran goalie who has enough experience that if Schwartz is advising stupid things they'll just ignore it.

Talbot didn't really fall apart here until his 4th season here, Smith had a couple of good years here.

I think John Gibson or even Talbot would be reasonable targets.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Your best bet is to get a veteran goalie who has enough experience that if Schwartz is advising stupid things they'll just ignore it.

Talbot didn't really fall apart here until his 4th season here, Smith had a couple of good years here.

I think John Gibson or even Talbot would be reasonable targets.

Or you could just fire him and not spend any assets.

 

[Soundwave]

Or you could just fire him and not spend any assets.

Again for the 50th time I want him fired. We giving up on the season because he's still here I don't think is a workable strategy.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Again for the 50th time I want him fired. We giving up on the season because he's still here I don't think is a workable strategy.

Then why bother trading for anyone and wasting assets?

 

[JustNapalmIt]

It’s not just Skinner though, every goalie he’s worked with here has trended in the wrong direction. He’s been the voice on goaltending in Edmonton for a decade with input on coaching, development, scouting. He hasn’t been able to stabilize the goaltending position at any point. Even a veteran goaltender in Mike Smith went out and worked with his own goalie consultant and that period of time was probably the best stretch of goaltending the Oilers have had during Schwartz tenure, either that or Talbot when he first arrived from the Rangers program, but like everyone else, Talbots performance trended downward the longer he worked with Schwartz but after leaving he started turning it around. Talbots career perfectly illustrates what a black hole Schwartz is.

The best examples you could point to of guys he’s worked with who are half decent are Hart and Jarry, two guys who only work with him during summers and not in season.

He’s delivered zero results for this organization at the goaltending position.

How has Skinner trended in the wrong direction? The argument can be made that this guy is only in the NHL because of Schwartz. Same with Pickard.
I dont know, Ive seen Skinner his whole hockey life. He is (and always has been) extremely, extremely limited given his lack of reflexes and athleticism. He was a middle/late 2nd rounder for a reason.
I think hes a smart goalie, positions himself not bad, plays fairly big, but hes just not good enough to be an NHL starter. In my world.

 

[Canovin]

How has Skinner trended in the wrong direction? The argument can be made that this guy is only in the NHL because of Schwartz. Same with Pickard.
I dont know, Ive seen Skinner his whole hockey life. He is (and always has been) extremely, extremely limited given his lack of reflexes and athleticism. He was a middle/late 2nd rounder for a reason.
I think hes a smart goalie, positions himself not bad, plays fairly big, but hes just not good enough to be an NHL starter. In my world.

I agree with you. Stuart is lasting this long because of Schwartz.

Pickard on the other hand, is because he makes so little and bring exactly what a backup should bring.

 

[McAsuno]

Why is this piece of shit not fired yet?

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Skinner trends in the wrong direction because he doesn't seem to try effectively improve on his weaknesses. At least that's what it looks like to me.

Do goalie coaches anywhere get fired? Just wondering.

 

[McAsuno]

Skinner trends in the wrong direction because he doesn't seem to try effectively improve on his weaknesses. At least that's what it looks like to me.

Do goalie coaches anywhere get fired? Just wondering.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/ottawa-senators/latest-news/senators-change-goalie-coach-looking-for-fresh-perspective

The sens reassigned their previous goalie coach to scouting and development position since he couldn't get the job done last year. If the Oilers feel so bad about potentially firing and hurting poor little Schwartzy's feelings then just reassign him to some random ass job in the organization. One that won't have him advocating what goalie to trade or draft for exactly.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/ottawa-senators/latest-news/senators-change-goalie-coach-looking-for-fresh-perspective

The sens reassigned their previous goalie coach to scouting and development position since he couldn't get the job done last year. If the Oilers feel so bad about potentially firing and hurting poor little Schwartzy's feelings then just reassign him to some random ass job in the organization. One that won't have him advocating what goalie to trade or draft for exactly.

Ah

 

[Stoneman89]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/ottawa-senators/latest-news/senators-change-goalie-coach-looking-for-fresh-perspective

The sens reassigned their previous goalie coach to scouting and development position since he couldn't get the job done last year. If the Oilers feel so bad about potentially firing and hurting poor little Schwartzy's feelings then just reassign him to some random ass job in the organization. One that won't have him advocating what goalie to trade or draft for exactly.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Why is this piece of shit not fired yet?

Because apparently as long as he has at least one fan (and he has a few here), it won't happen.

 

[Soundwave]

Then why bother trading for anyone and wasting assets?

Because you can still probably get 1-3 good seasons from a better/more veteran goalie here. It's simply not true that Talbot and Smith declined every year here.

Koskinen and Talbot had good first years here followed by being better in year 2 (peak), Mike Smith went .902 (not great) to .923 (great), to .915 (not bad). Talbot in his first three years was .917 (good), .919 (very good), and .908 (still reasonable).

We probably win the Cup last year with Talbot in net IMO, he would've been a different maker in at least one of those 3 Finals games (games 1-3).

Again I'm all for firing Schwartz.

 

[McDNicks17]

For me, I'm not expecting some miraculous turnaround for Skinner if Schwartz is fired.

I'd just be looking forward to getting a different voice in the goalie department. They obviously lean on him a lot for pro scouting and evaluations. He was the driving force behind the Campbell signing, he's clearly a big fan of Skinner, etc.

Getting someone in there that can A) Actually identify NHL goaltending talent to bring in and B) Work with them to actually improve should kind of be the bare minimum for that position.