Fire Colliton

[Flahawkfan]

Oh - and the Ben Eager discussion earlier was crap. He was a role player. nothing more. He was brought in to add toughness (big body)into a soft as butter lineup for the cheap. Not goal scoring and highlight reel goals. He had 22 fights for the blackhawks after 24 for the flyers. In 09-10 alone he faced guys like Doug Murray, Rick Rypien, Konopka, Crombeen, Jackman, Glass, Ivanans, and Janssen.

Bitching that he didn't score highlight reel goals is as dumb as saying Kane didn't fight anyone worth a crap.

He had a role - he was a fourth liner. That's it.

Problem with today's hawks they have role players without specific roles. They also have players that are being used as Jack-of-all trades. Think Frolik, Krueger, Vermette, even Bolland, Probert, Grimson, Housley, Shaw, Burrish.- Each of them had a specific role and they did it well.

Please tell me who the Hawks PK specialists are? who are the PP specialists? if you don't do it well after a couple of seasons can you really call yourself a specialist? Example: Think Sharp on the PK due to ability to get shorthanded goals. Frolic and Krueger were PK specialists also. Gustafson probably could have been considered a PP specialist. how about Campbell?

What is Strome's role? Highmore? Nylander? - They are just guys, nothing more.

 

[magnificent]

Reirden is fired and Colliton is not.

Gallant or Lavi will likely be first off the market.

 

[ello]

Idk why ppl keep saying they don’t want Gallant/laviolette because they were fired..pretty much every good coach in the league has been fired at some point. Its just the nature of the business since it’s the easiest thing for a team to do to shake up an underperforming team without trading core players.

Difference is Gallant and Laviolette actually have a track record of winning, so i see zero reason to keep Colliton in favour of them in the hopes that he develops into a better coach

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Idk why ppl keep saying they don’t want Gallant/laviolette because they were fired..pretty much every good coach in the league has been fired at some point. Its just the nature of the business since it’s the easiest thing for a team to do to shake up an underperforming team without trading core players.

Difference is Gallant and Laviolette actually have a track record of winning, so i see zero reason to keep Colliton in favour of them in the hopes that he develops into a better coach

It still comes down to money and ego. Do the Hawks want to commit a big contract to an established veteran coach and could Bowman swallow his pride and dump his hand picked young coach? I would think no

 

[GaryU]

It still comes down to money and ego. Do the Hawks want to commit a big contract to an established veteran coach and could Bowman swallow his pride and dump his hand picked young coach? I would think no

Bowman would be admitting a mistake. Of course, only 1 guy can fire him so...

 

[JaegerDice]

Reirden is fired and Colliton is not.

Gallant or Lavi will likely be first off the market.

They swapped out a big-name, Stanley Cup winning coach for a younger guy with a different vision last time. I wouldn't be so quick to assume Washington's management is looking for an older established name.

Will have to wait and see.

 

[ClydeLee]

How is it admitting a mistake? What is the mistake? Where is the pride from a bad roater having a raw rookie coach come in and have marginal results just allowing the offense to be more open?

Could this point forward not replacing Colliton is sensible to be a possible mistake and the money or changing course thing is probably gonna stop them from doing that smart thing.

I guess i don't see how hiring Colliton was in anyway bad or a mistake since you have to conclude keeping Q or hiring some not great vet option that was open was going to produce better results.

 

[Panzerspitze]

Oh - and the Ben Eager discussion earlier was crap. He was a role player. nothing more. He was brought in to add toughness (big body)into a soft as butter lineup for the cheap. Not goal scoring and highlight reel goals. He had 22 fights for the blackhawks after 24 for the flyers. In 09-10 alone he faced guys like Doug Murray, Rick Rypien, Konopka, Crombeen, Jackman, Glass, Ivanans, and Janssen.

Bitching that he didn't score highlight reel goals is as dumb as saying Kane didn't fight anyone worth a crap.

He had a role - he was a fourth liner. That's it.

Problem with today's hawks they have role players without specific roles. They also have players that are being used as Jack-of-all trades. Think Frolik, Krueger, Vermette, even Bolland, Probert, Grimson, Housley, Shaw, Burrish.- Each of them had a specific role and they did it well.

Please tell me who the Hawks PK specialists are? who are the PP specialists? if you don't do it well after a couple of seasons can you really call yourself a specialist? Example: Think Sharp on the PK due to ability to get shorthanded goals. Frolic and Krueger were PK specialists also. Gustafson probably could have been considered a PP specialist. how about Campbell?

What is Strome's role? Highmore? Nylander? - They are just guys, nothing more.

Ironic, considering Quenneville removed Sharp (13-SHG scorer over two previous seasons) from PK permanently shortly into his tenure as HC here. That's the whole point bitching about Quenneville sucking with his line-up choices, methods and "system" too.

The problem with the roster is actually too many one-dimensional specialists, not too few, of the not-so-essential kind: Designated shooters, set-up men, puck retrievers, zone-enter specialist, drop-pass specialist, stay-at-home D-men... The PP specialist D-men both suck at their job. Shooters fail too often.

 

[HLLYWD99]

HELL YES!!!​

 

[Brightwing]

2) Bowman Hires Lavi on condition that seabrook retires and becomes asst coach. This will keep core settled.

I've seen a couple of people suggest this Seabrook thing. So Seabrook has $20.5 million left on his contract in actual dollars over the next four years.

Do you think he's going to walk away from that to make a couple hundred grand a year as an assistant coach? Because if he retires he would forgo that salary. He cannot coach on LTIR.

And if you suggest that the Hawks pay him his upcoming salary for coaching, it would be a very, very clear case of cap circumvention and would result it massive penalties for the Hawks like millon dollar fines and loss of draft picks.

Keep in mind the highest known salaries for NHL coaches were Babcock and Quenneville in the $6 million range. Active coaches are in the $1 to $5 million range and some may be paid less.

If you started paying Seabrook say $4 million over five years as an assistant the NHL would know right away it's circumvention.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

So.....looks like Colliton is safe, for now. Bummer.

 

[Illinihockey]

This coach sucks and they are going to waste the last few years of Kane and toews on him

 

[BK]

So.....looks like Colliton is safe, for now. Bummer.

Based on what?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Based on what?

 

[Illinihockey]

what the f*** does that even mean. The more young players are with him the worse they get. He can’t coach in game and his defense system sucks. What foundation are they talking about

 

[x Tame Impala]

what the f*** does that even mean. The more young players are with him the worse they get. He can’t coach in game and his defense system sucks. What foundation are they talking about

He was good with a lot of the younger players the last 3-4 years down in Rockford

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

I must agree with Colliton about his comments below. Q was hustling and did have a good game. The problem is Nylander should have been pulled long before this:
"But I thought Quenneville was really good in Game 5. He had four or five solid hits on the forecheck, adding an element that we probably didn’t have enough of in the series. A couple really good defensive plays, a willingness as we talked about earlier, he skated the puck out of D-zone two, three, four times and took a hit to make a play to get it deep so we could get a change. And those little things, we need more of in our group. I thought for a guy coming in, he hadn’t played much, can’t really ask for too much more from him."

Q didn't do anything. He skated hard and tried to hit people but was always at least a second too late to actually force a turnover. The play died on his stick 100% of the time. He's an actual nothing player.

 

[Styles]

What a joke of an organization we’ve become. Get ready for another underwhelming season with this idiot behind the bench. Mediocre is fine in Stans book. I have no idea what he sees in this guy.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

What a joke of an organization we’ve become. Get ready for another underwhelming season with this idiot behind the bench. Mediocre is fine in Stans book. I have no idea what he sees in this guy.

To be fair Rocky turning into his father and allowing Bowman to become the next Pulford is problem

 

[RayP]

What a joke of an organization we’ve become. Get ready for another underwhelming season with this idiot behind the bench. Mediocre is fine in Stans book. I have no idea what he sees in this guy.

I don’t think Gallant or Lavi suddenly make this team a contender. Bubble playoff team at best.

 

[BobbyJet]

Q didn't do anything. He skated hard and tried to hit people but was always at least a second too late to actually force a turnover. The play died on his stick 100% of the time. He's an actual nothing player.

Hope you show the same criteria in critiquing other Blackhawk players. I was as shocked as anyone that Q was inserted into the line-up but at least he was giving it his all and didn't hesitate to go to the dirty areas.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I don’t think Gallant or Lavi suddenly make this team a contender. Bubble playoff team at best.

They instantly upgrade our coaching and make team better

There is no disputing that

 

[RayP]

They instantly upgrade our coaching and make team better

There is no disputing that

Did I ever say otherwise?


Did I say I like JC?


Did I say I want JC back?

 

[Muffinalt]

They're giving him another off-season, camp and at least the beginning of the season based the wording of that article.

Which is fine. The playoffs were a good showing despite how bitter the memories seem to some now. The team improved, played together and with plenty of heart.

So I'm fine with this. But (if we go by that tweet at least) it's also clear he's on thin ice and if the team starts slow he won't survive it.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

They're giving him another off-season, camp and at least the beginning of the season based the wording of that article.

Which is fine. The playoffs were a good showing despite how bitter the memories seem to some now. The team improved, played together and with plenty of heart.

So I'm fine with this. But (if we go by that tweet at least) it's also clear he's on thin ice and if the team starts slow he won't survive it.

How so?

The only improvement of team appeared to be in net and that was nothing to due with coaching

- Upgraded in net via FA with Lehner > Ward/Delia
- Crawford was healthier and looked like his old self

Neither feat could be claimed as coaching achievement