Fire Colliton

[Hinterland]

Yeah his drinking became an issue, I don’t know to what effect.


I’m curious how long he will be in the leagues doghouse or if his reputation will ever get that smudge off. Seems to be a bit of a double standard for players vs coaches. Like I said if he has worked on himself sufficiently and ready to take this on I’m all for second chances, but I understand the league wanting to give him more time. I can see how taking time away is helpful but I can also see the need to get back to the one thing you’ve known and help build a healthy routine and lifestyle around that. Hopefully if we don’t see him in the NHL we see him back in college or somewhere.

Well, nobody suspected anything and it clearly didn't affect his work with the Stars. I could name you other NHL personalities with probably significantly worse alcohol issues that definitely affected their work. One of them even admitted it and the league didn't care. Also, Kuznetsov sniffing lines and lying about it was completely fine with the NHL.

If Monty is over his issues then I don't see why he shouldn't get a job. He was well liked in Dallas and did a good job until the end.

 

[Brightwing]

Yeah his drinking became an issue, I don’t know to what effect.


I’m curious how long he will be in the leagues doghouse or if his reputation will ever get that smudge off. Seems to be a bit of a double standard for players vs coaches. Like I said if he has worked on himself sufficiently and ready to take this on I’m all for second chances, but I understand the league wanting to give him more time. I can see how taking time away is helpful but I can also see the need to get back to the one thing you’ve known and help build a healthy routine and lifestyle around that. Hopefully if we don’t see him in the NHL we see him back in college or somewhere.

From what I heard on various podcasts, the issue went beyond just drinking, but was more getting drunk in public where his behaviour reflected poorly on the team. It was kinda said between the lines. So, something happened, it was brought to the team's attention and they were forced to act. It was kinda said between the lines on several podcasts. I do hope he recovers but I don't know that the pressure of coaching an NHL team would be the best idea for someone so early in their recovery.

The path for Montgomery is probably not direct to the NHL. And it will take time. That being said, I do believe addiction is a disease and people should get a second chance barring unforgivable behaviour while drunk.

 

[echlfreak]

They have shown multiple times JC's pre-game speeches. Those wouldn't charge me up to pack groceries let alone play an NHL game.

 

[JaegerDice]

The roster hasnt been good enough to compete in 3 years I wont blame the coaches for this. could they have made some better in season moves sure but none that would have made a big difference in the outcome. We have had good euro scouting and lucky during this time as well. Kahun Kubalik and winning the lottery for Dach and still..79 points 84 points and 84 points. The roster construction is a big problem that wont be fixed anytime soon. the only shot they have next year is if everyone puts a great season together at the same time and the young guys all take a big step which is improbable.

5 years. It hasn't been good enough to consider a legit contender in 5 years.

 

[Brightwing]

5 years. It hasn't been good enough to consider a legit contender in 5 years.

That's not fair. The 2017 Hawks were the top team in the west. They were considered a legit contender.

 

[JaegerDice]

That's not fair. The 2017 Hawks were the top team in the west. They were considered a legit contender.

I'm sure some people thought so based on standings points.

Anybody who looked deeper were concerned about the Nashville matchup and knew the Blackhawks probably weren't making it to the cup that year.

Same for 2016.

In both 2016 and 2017, the Blackhawks were basically dragged by 1 line and elite goaltending.

Standings points are generally a very unreliable measure of team quality. Were they worthwhile, the Presidents trophy winner would win the cup a hell of a lot more often.

 

[SnakePlissken]

Standings points are generally a very unreliable measure of team quality. Were they worthwhile, the Presidents trophy winner would win the cup a hell of a lot more often.

Is there a more reliable predictor of the Cup winner?

 

[BobbyJet]

Is there a more reliable predictor of the Cup winner?

Not really but there's a lot to be said about labelling a team as "built for the playoffs". TB learned a lesson last year and are now more suited for the marathon of the playoffs; Bruins, though not the physical juggernaut they once were are going to be difficult to beat. And while I'm at it, VGN who just eliminated Hawks. They all will be tough to beat no matter where these teams finished in the RS which is all about just getting there, and go from there.

Not to say any of those teams mentioned will take the Cup but the odds are good. And the funny thing is Avs, Blues, Flyers, Dallas, Calgary all can't be counted out... in fact no team still alive after round 1 can be discounted. Despite the bitterness of Hawks not being there I still love it.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Tenacity and a hot goaltender doesn't hurt

 

[x Tame Impala]

Hawks were not a Cup contender in 2017. Not even close. It was the Kane-Panarin-Crawford show all year. It inflated our record and we were exposed in the playoffs.

 

[Styles]

Hawks were not a Cup contender in 2017. Not even close. It was the Kane-Panarin-Crawford show all year. It inflated our record and we were exposed in the playoffs.

We were exposed by a coach we should probably hire in the off season. He changed his entire game plan to neuter our offense and it worked. Let’s not pretend like anyone thought the 8 seed preds were going to beat us that year. As it happened now we have revisionist history.

 

[x Tame Impala]

We were exposed by a coach we should probably hire in the off season. He changed his entire game plan to neuter our offense and it worked. Let’s not pretend like anyone thought the 8 seed preds were going to beat us that year. As it happened now we have revisionist history.

The Preds played well towards the end of that season IIRC. Also I’ve never discounted the Preds. They almost beat us in 2010 and 2015.

 

[Styles]

If Bowman doesn’t can this guy he’d rather be right than win. That’s the last thing you want. Especially with all the coaches out there.

one goal wait that’s not it.

Always one goal?

That’s not it either.

All for one? That’s it. Hmmm

 

[JaegerDice]

We were exposed by a coach we should probably hire in the off season. He changed his entire game plan to neuter our offense and it worked. Let’s not pretend like anyone thought the 8 seed preds were going to beat us that year. As it happened now we have revisionist history.

Nashville’s points in the standings were cratered by a weak first half due to key injuries. Through the second half of the season they were a house on fire.

Many people in the analytics community picked them not only to beat the Blackhawks, but to win the cup that season.

 

[Styles]

Nashville’s points in the standings were cratered by a weak first half due to key injuries. Through the second half of the season they were a house on fire.

Many people in the analytics community picked them not only to beat the Blackhawks, but to win the cup that season.

So let’s rally for the Lavy hire like I’m trying to?

 

[JaegerDice]

So let’s rally for the Lavy hire like I’m trying to?

I’ve been on the Laviolette > Gallant train forever.

 

[hockeydoug]

I'm sure some people thought so based on standings points.

Anybody who looked deeper were concerned about the Nashville matchup and knew the Blackhawks probably weren't making it to the cup that year.

Same for 2016.

In both 2016 and 2017, the Blackhawks were basically dragged by 1 line and elite goaltending.

Standings points are generally a very unreliable measure of team quality. Were they worthwhile, the Presidents trophy winner would win the cup a hell of a lot more often.

They added alot of depth in 16'. That was a big boy team. Ladd, Weise, Fleischmann, Panik, they had the pieces to roll 4 lines come playoff time. Not perfect, but the matchups looked really good after STL. Too bad Keith had to be a knucklehead.

17' was the last gasp, no question.

 

[hockeydoug]

I’ve been on the Laviolette > Gallant train forever.

Would either one even consider Chicago without a president and a very undeveloped roster? It looks like a bad fit for most of the veteran in-demand coaches. They can't even negotiate on several details.

 

[Muffinalt]

Jukka Jalonen is the one I would make a change for instantly. His teams always play incredibly hard and structured.

Otherwise Sullivan if he became available, I would do it too.

But Lavi and Gallant while exciting, both come with questions.

Laviolette wouldn't have the defense he had in Nashville and apparently hai shelf life is limited. And so is Gallant's if he keeps getting fired like that multiple times, there must be something to it.

 

[Enyaw]

Gallant

 

[ChiHawk21]

I'm sure some people thought so based on standings points.

Anybody who looked deeper were concerned about the Nashville matchup and knew the Blackhawks probably weren't making it to the cup that year.

Same for 2016.

In both 2016 and 2017, the Blackhawks were basically dragged by 1 line and elite goaltending.

Standings points are generally a very unreliable measure of team quality. Were they worthwhile, the Presidents trophy winner would win the cup a hell of a lot more often.

i dont buy this. they werent as great as the previous 4 outa 5 years but they were still very good. they had a tough week of hockey and an opponent that was wayyyy better then an 8 seed. hell tampa did the same thing last year. they were still a contender.

 

[ChiHawks10]

i dont buy this. they werent as great as the previous 4 outa 5 years but they were still very good. they had a tough week of hockey and an opponent that was wayyyy better then an 8 seed. hell tampa did the same thing last year. they were still a contender.

But da stats!

 

[Salvaged Ship]

i dont buy this. they werent as great as the previous 4 outa 5 years but they were still very good. they had a tough week of hockey and an opponent that was wayyyy better then an 8 seed. hell tampa did the same thing last year. they were still a contender.

I agree they were a contender but I had less faith in their chances compared to previous years. We had so many wins that season that had me thinking afterwards “how the hell did we win that game?” We would get outshot, out possessed, out muscled, but at the end of the game we would somehow be ahead on the scoreboard. It felt like we were very fortunate to have the record we did, and from there it caught up to us in the playoffs and has carried forward now for several seasons.

The biggest issue with this team is the play in their own end in front of the goalie. Many nights its a clown show. Until that changes we will struggle to do anything. Part of it is strategy but a big part is also the roster we have. They just don’t seem to have it in them to defend in our own end, and this is not just defensemen. And with so many young guys coming up its hard to expect these babies to change things in this regard quickly.

 

[SnakePlissken]

Not really but there's a lot to be said about labelling a team as "built for the playoffs". TB learned a lesson last year and are now more suited for the marathon of the playoffs; Bruins, though not the physical juggernaut they once were are going to be difficult to beat. And while I'm at it, VGN who just eliminated Hawks. They all will be tough to beat no matter where these teams finished in the RS which is all about just getting there, and go from there.

Not to say any of those teams mentioned will take the Cup but the odds are good. And the funny thing is Avs, Blues, Flyers, Dallas, Calgary all can't be counted out... in fact no team still alive after round 1 can be discounted. Despite the bitterness of Hawks not being there I still love it.

I agree with what you're saying here. Of the 16 teams in any given year, there are probably 3-5 where I'd say no way they can win, another 3-5 I would think are the favorites, and then the rest I think are legit contenders with the right combination of hot goaltending and puck luck. The parity and intensity make the playoffs super entertaining.

As it relates to this thread, I wouldn't have put the 2016 or 2017 Hawks into the 'no way they can win' group. IMO, they were contenders in both those years.

For the Presidents Trophy, only 1 of the last 10 has won (2013 Hawks). If you extend further it's 5 out of the last 20, where 25% obviously seems like a stronger predictor. Of course, 6 of the last 20 have lost in the first round, so there's that. Like you said, this is part of why we love the playoffs.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I’m pretty underwhelmed with Colliton but I think he’s back next year.