Past Considerations
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And how did they came up with that 300K? Kind of ironic to shoot down the official figures for being unreliable but then at the same time think of some guestimation as more reliable number.
Finland: Nation of Domination
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Past Considerations
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What the actual...? There are already likely top 10 2017 names or at least one and then you're already talking about retirement of current undrafted Laine, Pulju etc. You realize this is 15+ year timespan and if anything, the indication is that quality stays the same for upcoming years or keeps getting better, as it has now gotten better literally every year. It does not mean a new Laine every year, and there are going to less good draft years but overall the standard keeps rising, and lots of future players are going to be late bloomers anyway.
Yes, doesn't produce because it didn't produce in the past. Is this an argument? Things have now changed and proof is infront of your eyes. One could say someone like Granlund or Barkov made it despite of the system but clearly it can not be anymore the case when promising names are appearing left and right.
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Even if not the very first favorites, I kinda doubt that next year Finland gets to enjoy a "dark horse" status regardless. After all, between some returning names from this year (if not our brightest stars) and new additions from the gold-winning U18 class, a lot of those names will be recognized, and (finally?) given the respect they deserve.
I was at the 2014 finals, my god was Husso(?) in net so calm and good, and every time Teravainen had the puck, you knew something was going to happen. Imo Sweden had the upper hand, but Dansk in net was so insecure every time the puck was in Swedens zone, he either covered it when he could have played it, or let out a dangerous rebound. That gold was Teravainen-Ristolainen-Husso tangibles all the way.
Jussi
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I think that was a popular estimation among people who know about the actual situation. Until they start keeping proper records, we won't know for certain.
Jussi
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Nobody told you that euro hockey tour is a not really a meaningful thing at all? I bet Finland has won that **** the most since it was introduced, but nobody would ever bring EHT dominance up as an argument for the nations hockey dominance.
Those are try out teams for world championship hopefuls.
And why even mention clubs when it comes to this topic? That may belong in the discussion about which league is better (and sweden would have a slight edge in my opinion), but not in this discussion.
It was a good best on best tournament before. Now it's ruined with these harlem globetrotters teams that they introduced but before it was close to olympics in significance. They just cheapened it into a NHL hockey show, not a genuine international tournament country vs country.
WHC matters more than WJC, better quality of players and better hockey. It's the "best available" for adults, WJC is "best available" for juniors.
But a bigger portion of best players from U20s are coming to WJC. Only high end NHL ready prospects dont come which is like 5 players from the whole tournament all together per year. I am very excited about this years tournament though as Finland has almost all of their best forwards coming!
I wouldn't be surprised if USAs U20 team could beat that roster they are going to ice in WHC.
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Lapa
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Me too.
I like how our young guns have developed, but Sweden has been seriously impressive.
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What I find most impressive about the Swedes is the development of their Dmen. In my view, the Swedish D will keep them ahead of the Finns in best on best for the next several years.
Karlsson, OEL, Hedman, Lindholm, Klingberg, and Hjalmarsson holding it down as the defensive Dman of the group, sets Sweden apart.
Swedens generation of defenseman is an elite group, probably 1a & 1b with Canada for the best Dmen group in the world.
teravaineSAROS
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Definitely, I live in Sweden and it's really well organised here. A good style of a lot of coaching mixed with not killing too much of the creativity in players (which helped us develop good offensive forwards here).
I would say a part of Finlands recent success is the country had a lot of ridicolously naturally talented prospects who were just bound to succeed especially now that Finland got more patient with developing the bigger prospects rather than small speedy ones.
Finnish development on lower levels feels more layman to me, Sweden is very organised.
There's certainly plenty of organization and guidelines here in Finland as well, believe me on that.
However, how strictly they actually watch those methods being implemented is whole another thing. An individual coach certainly has quite a bit of leeway in that regard.
