No man, my point is I've seen Malkin and Ovechkin and Lisin play this year in the Superleague for the 1st time (I don't live in Russia) ... and was extremely impressed with their skill compared to all the NHLers in that league.
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Well, this year Russian squad can be proud of it's attacking group. Talented, balanced, creative, there are also some good defensive-specialists. Many of these guys already proven in games against older players with big NHL experience. And that fact in my opinion gives a big advantage for Russian team.
But in general this team is weaker than 1982 or 1983. Not due only to a mediocre defence we have this year. Coaching is still a question for us though I think in that way this WJC would be better then last one. But I beleive we should rely on Khudobin perfomance very much, last year Barulin failed to do that.
But in general this team is weaker than 1982 or 1983. Not due only to a mediocre defence we have this year. Coaching is still a question for us though I think in that way this WJC would be better then last one. But I beleive we should rely on Khudobin perfomance very much, last year Barulin failed to do that.
wilka91 said:
OK. Fine- you don't remember. But then don't make fun of my memory (regarding the '83s) which turned out to be correct.
Sure, Ovechkin and Malkin may be the two best players in the tournament. But doesn't that contradict what you wrote earlier about the "team being more than the sum of the hyped or famous players" (or similar words)?
By the way, sometimes scouting DOES mean weatching players rather than the ame itself. No harm in admitting that. It's a scout's job.
Finally- my 20 Canadia fws vs. Russia's 6. OK- Take the 13 who actually made it- add Bollland, Brule, Horton, Fehr, Stone, Picard, Bernier etc.---don't you think any of these guys match up well with Yunkov, Voloshenko, Lisin (from Russia's top 6) and AHEAD OF Russia's 3rd or 4th lines? I do. So, apparently, do NHL scouts. So too would the results of the summer U18 tourney in '03 seem to indicate. So too would the WJC ranking and performance by Canada last year (compared to Russia)- and with 9 forwards returning.
steblick said:
OK, if you are more or less involved in international hockey and if you have been to Russia 4 times and saw those players playing I will accept the fact that you have you're own opinion based on what you saw and I will change the tone of my previous post. Example: I wouldn't have any problems with your statement that Bulgarian team is better and more talented than Czech team if you have been to Bulgaria and saw their players. I would disagree with that but still, I would eccept it as your opinion. And later on, we would discuss Bulgarian and Czech teams.
But here, on these boards, are tons of biased, cocky Canadians that make such posts based on apsolutely nothing with intention to provoke! You and your post seemed to be nothing different.
I disagree that Russia beating Canada would be a major upset. There are no major upsts among big 6.
velimiiro said:
Potty mouth. Anyways, how many points does Kost have with Hamilton? I heard he is really stinking it up in the AHL... that's too bad because I thought he'd be real great!
Steblick is right. Canada has a hell of a team this year.. Yes, Russia's got Ovechkin, Malkin and a bunch of other puck wizards, but having Ovechkin on the team does not guarantee gold.
This isn't basketball, one or two players can't carry the team on their shoulders unless your name is Hasek and you don't have groin problems.
I'm just a poor college student in Canada, I can't afford to buy satellites to watch the Russian hockey games, but from what I've read, it seems that Russia has been able to put together a group of extremely talented forwards, and it seems that most, if not all of these guys are also responsible defensively and a lot of them also have good speed going for them.
On the dark side though, it also seems that some of these super talented guys have a tough challenge ahead of them as they will have to battle their size issues. While I don't see that as much of a problem against the European teams that will hopefully concentrate on the technical side of hockey rather than physical, the US and Canadian teams will surely be looking to punish everything that moves, and that could prove to be a big advantage for Canada.
And don't forget, Canada too has some excellent excellent forwards, Perry, Crosby, Carter, Richards, Getzlaf, Bergeron, Dawes and Stewart. Heck, I think I just named all of Canada's offensive corps, and all these guys are just as dangerous as the Russians, and most of these guys are also big physical players.
While I live here in Toronto, I was still born and raised in Russia, and will cheer for Russia forever no matter how much bullsh!t they throw at me, so I obviously want Russia to win here, but you just cannot underestimate Canada and it's chances of going gold no matter how many Ovechkins you have.
This isn't basketball, one or two players can't carry the team on their shoulders unless your name is Hasek and you don't have groin problems.
I'm just a poor college student in Canada, I can't afford to buy satellites to watch the Russian hockey games, but from what I've read, it seems that Russia has been able to put together a group of extremely talented forwards, and it seems that most, if not all of these guys are also responsible defensively and a lot of them also have good speed going for them.
On the dark side though, it also seems that some of these super talented guys have a tough challenge ahead of them as they will have to battle their size issues. While I don't see that as much of a problem against the European teams that will hopefully concentrate on the technical side of hockey rather than physical, the US and Canadian teams will surely be looking to punish everything that moves, and that could prove to be a big advantage for Canada.
And don't forget, Canada too has some excellent excellent forwards, Perry, Crosby, Carter, Richards, Getzlaf, Bergeron, Dawes and Stewart. Heck, I think I just named all of Canada's offensive corps, and all these guys are just as dangerous as the Russians, and most of these guys are also big physical players.
While I live here in Toronto, I was still born and raised in Russia, and will cheer for Russia forever no matter how much bullsh!t they throw at me, so I obviously want Russia to win here, but you just cannot underestimate Canada and it's chances of going gold no matter how many Ovechkins you have.
Jason MacIsaac
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2001-2002 team may have been the best:
Volchenkov
Grebeshkov
Knyzev
Tyutin
Grigorenko
Suglobov
Svitov
Chistov
Perezhogin
Frolov
Polushin
Trubachev
When you look at those players from the roster they were downright scary....even without Kovalchuk.
Volchenkov
Grebeshkov
Knyzev
Tyutin
Grigorenko
Suglobov
Svitov
Chistov
Perezhogin
Frolov
Polushin
Trubachev
When you look at those players from the roster they were downright scary....even without Kovalchuk.
He's 19 playing in the AHL where the league this year is better than usual with the lockout. He has only one person to speak to on the team. He doesn't receive a lot of ice time. He's playing on an inexperienced team that hasn't played well all season. There are a lot of reasons he's not doing well, what can you expect from him this early? Perezhogin didn't take off last year in the same situation until the halfway mark.CloudNine said:
Jason MacIsaac
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lol, I hope Team Russia hasn't watched him the last games....he has been horrible.Leafaholix said:
JasonMacIsaac said:
Yeah the problem is that when the Russians play at home, they want to show off, and end up losing everything. Like in 2000.
Kaizer
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I am sorry. It's my bad. I assume usual thing. It's interesting to know opinion from man who has seen both teams' players this year. Thanks for clarificationssteblick said:
Jason MacIsaac
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Any reason why Khomutov was left off the roster? I want to know if it came from NJ's side or Russia's.steblick said:
steblick, who do you scout for? what's your opinion of Vorobiev and Semenov (the Lada defenseman)?
Jason MacIsaac
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Its obvious that you truely don't know squat about the North American prospects. Canada's forwards can match the fire power with Russia and our defense is leagues upon leagues better then the russians. The only thing I feel Russia may have over Canada is more game breakers which can go a long way.wilka91 said:
JasonMacIsaac said:
Another ultrabiased Canadian. Wake up man, with your best of the best players your country has failed to win this tourney since ... errr ... 1997
Jason MacIsaac
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You don't know enough about the game to say I am biased. I follow all prospects and will tell you Russia is one dimentional. Czechs may have a better allround game then the Russias and I feel the Czechs are being overlooked in this tourney.wilka91 said:Another ultrabiased Canadian. Wake up man, with your best of the best players your country has failed to win this tourney since ... errr ... 1997
The True Blue Crew
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Suggestion: try to contribute something to this thread, rather than attempting to turn it into a major pissing contest...
Jason MacIsaac
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