Good for them to create chemistry now given they're both buried in the ahl together for the next 3 years
Come on there is only one poster saying that.Just because he puts up more goals than assists, doesn’t mean he’s a playmaker. At the junior level as an over-ager? Maybe, but still a stretch to call him that. He’s barely managing a point per game in the OHL, and again, he’s over age.
All we’ve heard so far about his lack of production (from a supposedly offensive forward, mind you), is “oh it’s his line mates; they have no chemistry” and “his line mates don’t keep up with him”. He’s even said it himself in interviews, which doesn’t look good on him either, tbh.
As the “playmaker”, isn’t he supposed to “make the plays”, and make his line mates better? That’s what good players do. He isn’t doing that. The reality is that it isn’t his line mates; he just doesn’t have the IQ he was purported to have.
And he stays on the perimeter instead of getting involved in the play and making things happen like he should. Perimeter players need to have a lethal shot and/or elite vision to be effective; he doesn’t have either.
I’ll be absolutely shocked if he ever makes the NHL full time after what we’ve seen so far.
Come on there is only one poster saying that.
Let's look at #26 draftees from 10 years prior to Mesar:Go and look at the draft pages for the first round in years past (excluding recent drafts, obviously). There’s some variance of course, but most years, the overwhelming majority of players make the NHL in a significant capacity.
yes.Was this your feeling before Tony said it on his podcast or after?
probably a Leafs fan....Come on there is only one poster saying that.
There is no hating going on...................the kid so far since his selection in the 1st round has him as just ok. He is what he is at this point............no excuses.
I would not call 29% an exception. 3-5% is an exception.25-32 impact players(And I'm being generous with impact)
2010: Kuznetsov, Coyle, Nelson
2011: Danault, Rakell, Namestnikov
2012: Skjei, Pearson
2013: Theodore, Hartman
2014: Pastrnak, Kempe
2015: Roslovic, Beauvillier
2016: Thompson, Frederic
2017: Oettinger, Frost, Jokiharju, Tolvanen
2018: Sandin
2019+ too early
21 players worth mentioning with 5 studs out of 72 picks(29%). Hitting at the end of the first round is the exception, not what you should expect.
Definitively a mistake trading Cassels. For some odd reason I still remember him playing for the Habs even though he played very little with us.Probably have to give the 87 draft the nod.
In terms of their careers:
LeClaire > Pacioretty
Desjardins > McDonagh
Schneider > Subban
Cassells >>>> Y. Weber
Bruh... the logic in here is insane, honestly hard to fathom.
Regardless of Mesar - are we really saying that late 1sts can't be called busts now? People have been calling McCarron, Tinordi, Scherbak, etc busts for years
Also, again regardless of Mesar, the idea that a guy who can't play in the NHL can still be considered a good pick because he fits team needs is ridiculous.
I just can't agree with any of those arguments.
You don't see Tampa fans jumping through hoops to rationalize that Koekkoek was actually a good pick though.For me a bust is someone who wildly underperformed their draft slot. Like calling a 7th round pick a bust would be technically correct but most of those picks "bust", where I would say a 7th round pick like Kieran Ruscheinski is a bust and someone like Dmitri Sokolov wouldn't be.
Mesar getting an elc and playing in the AHL maybe getting some NHL games wouldn't really be a bust, it's more like the expected outcome. Where as someone like Connor Bleakley who didn't even get signed as a 1st round pick would be a bust.
Regardless of how someone wants to define a bust, it's way too early to declare Mesar a bust and I find crying over the pick completely unreasonable considering the trend line of every other pick we've made in that draft with a few exceptions later in the class.
Tampa Bay picked Koekkoek at 10 the same draft they took Vasilevskiy later in round 1. You don't see their fans crying and bitching about the one pick that didn't work out.
You don't see Tampa fans jumping through hoops to rationalize that Koekkoek was actually a good pick though.
I agree with the rest of your post, too soon to call him a bust, but we've seen enough where we don't need to pretend that his performance is as good as we hoped.
As for the "bust" argument. I can give you that, define bust however you want to, no need to argue semantics. But this is HF Boards, and it is a lot easier to call some prospects busts than it is qualify every statement about a poor performing prospect with "relative to their draft position nothing was really expected of them anyway".
There's literally 15 pages of you calling players busts if you search it up.
Bruh... the logic in here is insane, honestly hard to fathom.
Regardless of Mesar - are we really saying that late 1sts can't be called busts now? People have been calling McCarron, Tinordi, Scherbak, etc busts for years
Also, again regardless of Mesar, the idea that a guy who can't play in the NHL can still be considered a good pick because he fits team needs is ridiculous.
I just can't agree with any of those arguments.