Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

[Habs7631]

Did a good job raising his trade value tonight.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Did a good job raising his trade value tonight.

There is no chance he is traded.

 

[Bombshell11]

MSL said hes very happy with Mesar's progression, he highlighted that he needs to work on his game without the puck and that his talent is obvious.

 

[Michelangelo]

Did a good job raising his trade value tonight.

ill be surprised if he ever plays a real NHL game tbh

 

[G0bias]

Should be a good Laval guy for the legit prospects to play with actually.

 

[Natey]

Should be a good Laval guy for the legit prospects to play with actually.

Can't wait until he makes you eat crow.

We'll accept a YouTube video.

 

[Bacchus1]

You really need to learn what the word “regardless” means bro… FYI it is a sign of low intelligence when people can’t comprehend conditional situations.

If I see bad logic I call it out. I’m not calling Mesar is a bust or saying he will never make the NHL - just pointing out silly logic as I see it. The people I was addressing said that if Mesar fails to make the NHL he can still be considered a good pick. I disagree. Was Kotkaniemi a good pick because he was what we needed?

Where did I say he is a failure because he’s not in the NHL? I said none of the things you are implying.

Stop making up fake scenarios because you’re arguing with a ghost.

There are 4 conditionals in grammar: 0, 1, 2, and 3.

All of them start with an “if”, thus setting the condition.

Examples:

If you treat people kindly, they will think better of you.

If you say sorry for being so critical, he’ll respond better to you.

If he was a better person, he would not take the bait.

If he had thought more quickly, he would have avoided responding.

None of these require the word regardless. I think he wrote regardless of, which is an idiomatic expression.

 

[G0bias]

Can't wait until he makes you eat crow.

We'll accept a YouTube video.

*bookmarks*

Just so everyone's aware here. You're saying you'll have to post a video and all it takes is Mesar not cutting a spot on the team?

 

[Bombshell11]

*bookmarks*

Just so everyone's aware here.
So you're saying you'll have to post a video and all it takes is Mesar not cutting a spot on the team?

No you said basicly he'll never play in the NHL and he's destined to be an AHLer

 

[G0bias]

No you said basicly he'll never play in the NHL and he's destined to be an AHLer

He's either in Laval or traded, correct.

 

[Walksss]

He's either in Laval or traded, correct.

This year, sure.

He's 20 years old who knows how he'll develop, people just need to sit back and let this development play out for a bit.

 

[Skala24]

He shot the pipe in the game

 

[G0bias]

This year, sure.

He's 20 years old who knows how he'll develop, people just need to sit back and let this development play out for a bit.

Nah. He's not pushing out CC, Slaf, Laine, Demidov out of a top 6 spot.

He doesn't fit a third line role and even then who's he beating out of Newhook,Kapanen, Roy, Beck, Hage, Tuch,Xhekaj etc plus whichever remaining vets for like four bottom 6 wing spots...?

Like i said, if he isn't playing on the Shanghai Sharks by 23, it'll be on another team than us.

So I'll gladly take that bet. No backsies!

 

[Intangir]

Nah. He's not pushing out CC, Slaf, Laine, Demidov out of a top 6 spot.

He doesn't fit a third line role and even then he'd have to beat out Newhook,Kapanen, Roy, Beck, Hage, Tuch, Xhekaj etc and whichever remaining vets for just four bottom 6 wing spots.

Like i said, if he even makes it, it'll be on another team.

So I'll gladly take that bet. No backsies

With all due respects, holy premature batman!

Generally, speaking in absolutes from the get-go is a good way to have to eat humble pie one day.

And that's speaking from experience.

I'm quite skeptical of Mesar's NHL future too given what I saw of him his first year in Kitchener, but even then I still think it's WAY too early to just write him off as a non-NHLer just yet.

Hockey, like all sports, is highly unpredictable/non-linear as far as development goes, and that's the whole fun of it. You never really know what to expect until a player proves himself over a period of time in the NHL, until the proverbial "fat lady sings" as some say.

Taken on his own, Mesar shows very real talent, is blazing fast, and has shown some interesting potential upside offensively despite very obvious shortcomings and personal flaws as a player.

So yeah, I think you should reserve early judgments on Mesar, see how he cooks in the AHL, form a stronger opinion on him through watching how he fares against pro competition, and then maybe revise/solidify your take later this year then go from there.

But that's enough prattling for one late night binging of HfBoards posts.

I bid thee good day, and wish you well.

 

[G0bias]

With all due respects, holy premature batman!

Generally, speaking in absolutes from the get-go is a good way to have to eat humble pie one day.

And that's speaking from experience.

I'm quite skeptical of Mesar's NHL future too given what I saw of him his first year in Kitchener, but even then I still think it's WAY too early to just write him off as a non-NHLer just yet.

Hockey, like all sports, is highly unpredictable/non-linear as far as development goes, and that's the whole fun of it. You never really know what to expect until a player proves himself over a period of time in the NHL, until the proverbial "fat lady sings" as some say.

Taken on his own, Mesar shows very real talent, is blazing fast, and has shown some interesting potential upside offensively despite very obvious shortcomings and personal flaws as a player.

So yeah, I think you should reserve early judgments on Mesar, see how he cooks in the AHL, form a stronger opinion on him through watching how he fares against pro competition, and then maybe revise/solidify your take later this year then go from there.

But that's enough prattling for one late night binging of HfBoards posts.

I bid thee good day, and wish you well.

That's great. That still doesn't answer who's he beating out?

Except that in reality, it's not in a vacuum. Fortunalely it seems we're getting near a point where we finally have too much depth and it just becomes more of a numbers game in his case.

The way she goes.

 

[Bombshell11]

Number		Player	G	A	P	P/M	PN	PIM	TOT	SHF	AVG	PP	SH	EV	S	A/B	MS	HT	GV	TK	BS	FW	FL	F%
8	D	MATHESON, MIKE							21:39	21	1:01	8:19	3:55	9:25	1	1			3
14	C	SUZUKI, NICK	1		1	1			21:03	20	1:03	7:52	1:39	11:32	2		2	1	3	1	1	8	5	62
20	L	SLAFKOVSKY, JURAJ				1			20:06	18	1:07	7:46	0:05	12:15	2		2	1	2		1	0	1	0
64	D	REINBACHER, DAVID				1			19:39	19	1:02	0:08	5:01	14:30	2			1	2	1	2
24	D	MAILLOUX, LOGAN				1			19:26	23	0:50	4:32	3:01	11:53	1	1	1		1		1
47	D	STRUBLE, JAYDEN				1			18:30	21	0:52	0:34	3:18	14:38		1		3	1		1
13	R	CAUFIELD, COLE				1			18:17	17	1:04	7:45	0:00	10:32	3			1	1	1
40	R	ARMIA, JOEL							18:07	22	0:49	7:10	3:09	7:48
84	D	TRUDEAU, WILLIAM		2	2	2	1	2	16:45	18	0:55	0:00	3:21	13:24	2	1	1		2		1
11	R	GALLAGHER, BRENDAN							14:25	16	0:54	4:58	0:00	9:27	2		2	1	2	1
71	C	EVANS, JAKE							13:57	19	0:44	0:00	4:54	9:03				3				8	7	53
46	R	MESAR, FILIP					1	2	13:23	17	0:47	4:51	0:00	8:32	5	1	2	1	1			0	1	0
57	C	FARRELL, SEAN							13:11	17	0:46	4:56	0:16	7:59	1			1	1	1	1
59	D	HAYES, ZACK				1	1	2	12:24	15	0:49	0:00	2:31	9:53			1	1
62	C	BECK, OWEN		1	1	1			12:19	17	0:43	0:07	2:57	9:15	3			1	1			5	4	56
55	L	PEZZETTA, MICHAEL	2		2	2	1	2	12:10	16	0:45	0:01	4:12	7:57	5			1	2
60	L	XHEKAJ, FLORIAN				1	2	4	11:41	17	0:41	5:11	0:17	6:13		1	2	1				3	2	60
43	C	SIMONEAU, XAVIER		1	1	2			10:58	15	0:43	0:05	3:08	7:45				1

Played 13 mins, had 5 shots, on top of all the chances he created for his teammates.

 

[Intangir]

So who is he beating out?

Maybe one of those guys gets a long-term injury, maybe one of those busts.

We don't know, and the information we have isn't enough to determine either way.

So our best bet is to wait and see. Simple enough, right?

 

[G0bias]

Maybe one of those guys gets a long-term injury, maybe one of those busts.

We don't know, and the information we have isn't enough to determine either way.

So our best bet is to wait and see. Simple enough, right?

With that many ifs and maybes, I might even suit up for them, who knows.

 

[Walksss]

That's great. That still doesn't answer who's he beating out?

Except that in reality, it's not in a vacuum. Fortunalely it seems we're getting near a point where we finally have too much depth and it just becomes more of a numbers game in his case.

The way she goes.

Yeah I mean everyone is excited about the depth we have, obviously. But are you pretending the Laine situation plays out exactly how we want? There are absolutely no guarantees here. If it does turn out that's amazing but there are plenty of scenarios where things don't go according to plan.

Even if Laine plays out it's ridiculous to assume that you know where things will be in 2-3 years. You don't, obviously. None of us do. What about Dachs health, is it still good years from now? Does Caufield continue to improve? What about the health of everyone else? There are so many scenarios that might play out. That being said, I am also hugely bullish on all of this but you never know.

Independent of all that is Mesar. I'm sure he is no dummy and can see how tough it will be to make the top 6 here. Secondly, he knows the limitations of his size versus his good buddy Slaf. Give this guy a bit of time at the pro level to overcome these issues. Sometimes adversity creates tough s.o.b s and we can certainly afford this guy the time and space to become that. We'll see

 

[Intangir]

With that many ifs and maybes, I might even suit up for them, who knows.

Sure, there's an infinitesimally-small chance of that happening; like "0,00000... (an almost infinite number of zeroes later)... 1%" chance.

But yeah, little tongue-in-cheek (but accurate) joke aside I understand your argument and your blatant disregard for what you probably consider to be a boring, overly-cautious stance on things.

I understand it but I don't share that viewpoint, and so I respectfully agree to disagree.

 

[G0bias]

Yeah I mean everyone is excited about the depth we have, obviously. But are you pretending the Laine situation plays out exactly how we want? There are absolutely no guarantees here. If it does turn out that's amazing but there are plenty of scenarios where things don't go according to plan.

Even if Laine plays out it's ridiculous to assume that you know where things will be in 2-3 years. You don't, obviously. None of us do. What about Dachs health, is it still good years from now? Does Caufield continue to improve? What about the health of everyone else? There are so many scenarios that might play out. That being said, I am also hugely bullish on all of this but you never know.

Independent of all that is Mesar. I'm sure he is no dummy and can see how tough it will be to make the top 6 here. Secondly, he knows the limitations of his size versus his good buddy Slaf. Give this guy a bit of time at the pro level to overcome these issues. Sometimes adversity creates tough s.o.b s and we can certainly afford this guy the time and space to become that. We'll see

Hold on... you're telling me there's no guarantees in life and no one really knows the future?

 

[Walksss]

Hold on... you're telling me there's no guarantees in life and no one really knows the future?

Wait.. Are you a troll?.. Did I get caught up arguing with someone who isn't worth arguing with?

You're the guy pretending to know the future, not me.

 

[G0bias]

Wait.. Are you a troll?.. Did I get caught up arguing with someone who isn't worth arguing with?

You're the guy pretending to know the future, not me.

Just saying you're kinda stating the obvious here and that "there's no guarantees" and "nobody knows for sure" isn't much of an argument for anything.

I'm calling it based on the players we have, their trajectories so far and the type of team Kent is trying to build.

Not on some hypothetical scenarios where maybe a couple of them get career-ending injuries and Demidov busting. With, still, no arguments so far explaining why Mesar over those other players.

carry on.

 

[Natey]

*bookmarks*

Just so everyone's aware here. You're saying you'll have to post a video and all it takes is Mesar not cutting a spot on the team?

What? You really live in your own little world, don't you?

 

[CHwest]

There is no chance he is traded.

Say what?