Player Discussion Filip Gustavsson

[TaLoN]

See. I view it like the term "skating". Is it strictly skating forward?
Skating, to me, also entails acceleration, edgework, stopping, etc.

I understand, but positing is a bit more separated from lateral movement than that IMO. What you're talking about with skating actually is very much integrated with that.

Positioning is about a mental aspect of knowing where you need to be based on where the puck is. Lateral movement isn't so much the mental as it is the physical ability to get there quickly. That's why it's such a different skill IMO.

Dubnyk showed that difference very well. Great lateral movement, but his positioning depended greatly on his level of focus. When he was off, his positioning suffered, that didn't change his ability to move post to post, but he was just off proper position that lateral movement couldn't help, as they didn't even need the pass to get openings he was giving the puck carrier to begin with.

 

[TaLoN]

 

[thestonedkoala]

That's why any goaltender should love it here and any goaltender that struggles here needs to go. The defense makes the job so much easier... has for a long time.

Explain why Fleury is here?

 

[BagHead]

Hell, I'll buy those pads for him if he'll wear them.

 

[Wabit]

Explain why Fleury is here?

I can't explain why I'm here, or what here even is. I think those answers came in the higher level philosophy class that I never took.

I may or may not have gotten booted out of that class for simply being myself with the prof (I still got credit for the class).

 

[thestonedkoala]

I can't explain why I'm here, or what here even is. I think those answers came in the higher level philosophy class that I never took.

I may or may not have gotten booted out of that class for simply being myself with the prof (I still got credit for the class).

You're here to keep me company

 

[TaLoN]

Main board showing why Gus Bus won't be in Vezina talk... in a thread about the 5 best goalies right now, his name isn't even mentioned in anyone's top 10.

 

[Wasted Talent]

Main board showing why Gus Bus won't be in Vezina talk... in a thread about the 5 best goalies right now, his name isn't even mentioned in anyone's top 10.

Yeah, Gus' name seems to only pop up on the main boards when someone wants to make fun of Dorion's offseason moves.

 

[Wabit]

Main board showing why Gus Bus won't be in Vezina talk... in a thread about the 5 best goalies right now, his name isn't even mentioned in anyone's top 10.

He shouldn't be in the Veznia talk imo. He won't even start half of the team's games this season.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Main board showing why Gus Bus won't be in Vezina talk... in a thread about the 5 best goalies right now, his name isn't even mentioned in anyone's top 10.

He needs more than a year to crack the top 10

 

[bicboi64]

Yeah, Gus' name seems to only pop up on the main boards when someone wants to make fun of Dorion's offseason moves.

Us Sens fans are arguing our arses off over how bad this trade was. Really hope y'all keep developing Gus into a top goalie as long as possible so Dorion gets fired by new management and future GM's learn from his piss poor player evaluation

 

[Nino Noderreiter]

Us Sens fans are arguing our arses off over how bad this trade was. Really hope y'all keep developing Gus into a top goalie as long as possible so Dorion gets fired by new management and future GM's learn from his piss poor player evaluation

The only thing I would say is that goalies always thrive on the Wild whether that is taking a jump or resurrecting their career after trending downwards. Those goalies outside of the Wild system and organization may stay decent for a season or two but they generally fade off the farther they get from their system.

I'm not sure Gustavsson would have done this if he didn't get traded to Ottawa and I'm not 100% sure he would be this if he wasn't playing for the Wild. That being said, I'm sure you could say the same for really any goalie in any situation in that goalies play is somewhat related to the ability of the structure in front of them to do a few things that puts them in positions to succeed.

 

[TaLoN]

The only thing I would say is that goalies always thrive on the Wild whether that is taking a jump or resurrecting their career after trending downwards. Those goalies outside of the Wild system and organization may stay decent for a season or two but they generally fade off the farther they get from their system.

I'm not sure Gustavsson would have done this if he didn't get traded to Ottawa and I'm not 100% sure he would be this if he wasn't playing for the Wild. That being said, I'm sure you could say the same for really any goalie in any situation in that goalies play is somewhat related to the ability of the structure in front of them to do a few things that puts them in positions to succeed.

That said, the goalies that fail here are REALLY bad as well and almost never improve after moving on. Talbot was playing pretty poorly his last season here (outside the post trade deadline run).

If a goalie can be avg elsewhere, he can be VERY GOOD here. A avg goalie here will be below avg usually elsewhere. (There are exceptions as to where the goalie may go and may still be at least avg, as we don't have the BEST defense but we do have a top 5 defense likely)

Ottawa last year was probably the last place any goaltender would've wanted to play with how bad that defense was, which was why I had hope for Gus when we made the deal. Gus, behind our defense is a phenomenal goalie! I don't think he would've made this jump had he stayed in Ottawa at all, until they improve play in their own zone first.

 

[bicboi64]

The only thing I would say is that goalies always thrive on the Wild whether that is taking a jump or resurrecting their career after trending downwards. Those goalies outside of the Wild system and organization may stay decent for a season or two but they generally fade off the farther they get from their system.

I'm not sure Gustavsson would have done this if he didn't get traded to Ottawa and I'm not 100% sure he would be this if he wasn't playing for the Wild. That being said, I'm sure you could say the same for really any goalie in any situation in that goalies play is somewhat related to the ability of the structure in front of them to do a few things that puts them in positions to succeed.

That's why I was confused as to why Dorion got Talbot, did he really think that Ottawa's defense was anywhere near what Minny's was and that he was putting Talbot in a position to succeed? Can't wait for him to be fired

 

[Nino Noderreiter]

That said, the goalies that fail here are REALLY bad as well and almost never improve after moving on. Talbot was playing pretty poorly his last season here (outside the post trade deadline run).

If a goalie can be avg elsewhere, he can be VERY GOOD here. A avg goalie here will be below avg usually elsewhere. (There are exceptions as to where the goalie may go and may still be at least avg, as we don't have the BEST defense but we do have a top 5 defense likely)

Ottawa last year was probably the last place any goaltender would've wanted to play with how bad that defense was, which was why I had hope for Gus when we made the deal. Gus, behind our defense is a phenomenal goalie! I don't think he would've made this jump had he stayed in Ottawa at all, until they improve play in their own zone first.

This was my point with "Those goalies outside of the Wild system and organization may stay decent for a season or two but they generally fade off the farther they get from their system." but you worded it more strongly.

 

[Sweetnut]

This was my point with "Those goalies outside of the Wild system and organization may stay decent for a season or two but they generally fade off the farther they get from their system." but you worded it more strongly.

Or maybe just moving out of the state does the trick?

 

[TaLoN]

Such a good article on Gus Bus...

Behind the rise of Filip Gustavsson, the Wild's riddler and potential Game 1 starter

Gustavsson came into the season unsure of his NHL future. Now he's a potential Vezina finalist and could start for the Wild in the playoffs.

theathletic.com

Even Billy G says they got lucky with Gus...

“Honestly, there was a good deal of work that went into it, but we also have to admit there’s luck and timing,” Guerin says. “We didn’t expect this. We’re not that smart.”

Also, after extending Flower and Talbot getting upset through his agent, the Wild tried to extend Talbot too... which would've meant, no Gus...

Even through that, the Wild had offered a one-year extension to Talbot. Had Talbot agreed to it, Gustavsson’s emergence as one of the feel-good stories of the season might have never happened.

 

[fredrikstad]

I really hope they manage to sign The Gus Bus this summer. And one more Goalie for cheap, so Wallstedt can have one more year in the Ahl, to develop, and one more year under his belt. Then the Wild could have a great tandem for years.

 

[57special]

I really hope they manage to sign The Gus Bus this summer. And one more Goalie for cheap, so Wallstedt can have one more year in the Ahl, to develop, and one more year under his belt. Then the Wild could have a great tandem for years.

That's the plan. With Gaudreau's unexpectedly reasonable signing, they can give Gus a good offer. I would hope that he would be smart enough to realize that MN is a vg place to be a goalie, as he has experienced the opposite in OTT.

 

[Minnewildsota]

That's the plan. With Gaudreau's unexpectedly reasonable signing, they can give Gus a good offer. I would hope that he would be smart enough to realize that MN is a vg place to be a goalie, as he has experienced the opposite in OTT.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he gave a bit of a discount because I thought I read that he was very close to being out of the league.

I don’t think he’ll cost THAT much, however, he’ll likely get more expensive the further into the playoffs we go - assuming he’s playing well

 

[Wild11MN]

I thought I heard Russo say somewhere that his agent really plays hardball with negotiations typically, so this could be a contract that goes deep into the offseason.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

should be a little helpful that we only really need 1 year, at the moment.

 

[NHL1674]

I thought I heard Russo say somewhere that his agent really plays hardball with negotiations typically, so this could be a contract that goes deep into the offseason.

His agent's name isn't Walsh, is it?

 

[Minnewildsota]

His agent's name isn't Walsh, is it?

No, it’s Kurt Overhardt

 

[Wasted Talent]

No, it’s Kurt Overhardt

Let's hope his agent won't go overhard in the negotiations.