Value of: Filip Forsberg to the Canucks?
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Preds won't want to wait for those picks, and the Canucks want someone younger, who isn't signed to big money until they are 37.
does garland have more value than kuz? or is the value of the twp intentionally different?
Hodge
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Hahahaha a late 1st, a 3rd rounder and a cap dump for one of the best first line scorers in the league.
Start with 1st, Willander and Lekkerimaki. Even that might not be enough to convince Nashville unless they’re going into full tear down mode.
Start with 1st, Willander and Lekkerimaki. Even that might not be enough to convince Nashville unless they’re going into full tear down mode.
The Timo Meier deal is probably the best comparable to this - Timo wasn’t signed long term but he was also an RFA + 2 years younger. 1st and Lekkerimaeki I agree with, but Willander is untouchable. A 1st + a conditional 1st depending on if we make the WCF + Lekkerimaeki + Elias Pettersson (D) or Brzustewicz would probably be the most realistic package, but also wouldn’t put us over the top so it would make no sense for us. Realistically, we need to be targeting a center to play on the 2nd line so we can move JT Miller back to the wing, so Forsberg doesn’t make sense anyways.
Hierso
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Predators won't retain (as they should) if they trade Forsberg and until the nucks lock up Pettersson and Hronek they can't add 8,5 worth of cap.
Not great trading partners.
Not great trading partners.
You aren’t getting a top 20 scorer with a late 1st as the main piece. Canucks would also be buying at the asset’s peak value which is never recommended
This is laughable
Why would the Preds accept anything but 2024 picks?
Not to mentioned even if those were picks in this upcoming draft, they still easily decline
Why would the Preds accept anything but 2024 picks?
Not to mentioned even if those were picks in this upcoming draft, they still easily decline
Where is the centerpiece for all the table dressing?
Garland is much closer a capdump. And late 1st round picks not even in the next draft aren't valuable.
The Predators also just traded their guy who shot >25% and got hugely overrated - I doubt they view Kuzmenko very favorably given his production this season without that shooting percentage.
Who are your two best prospects? Add them to the deal and it probably becomes a lot closer in value. You are asking for a career ~70 point player who has trended higher than that for the last three seasons, signed long term for a reasonable caphit given his production (87 points per 82 over the last 3 seasons including this one), not a 36 year old rental.
Garland is much closer a capdump. And late 1st round picks not even in the next draft aren't valuable.
The Predators also just traded their guy who shot >25% and got hugely overrated - I doubt they view Kuzmenko very favorably given his production this season without that shooting percentage.
Who are your two best prospects? Add them to the deal and it probably becomes a lot closer in value. You are asking for a career ~70 point player who has trended higher than that for the last three seasons, signed long term for a reasonable caphit given his production (87 points per 82 over the last 3 seasons including this one), not a 36 year old rental.
Why are we trading our best scorer for picks when we're in a playoff spot? God awful for Nashville
lawrence
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Not a fan of either teams, but, is there a reason Lekkerimaki and/or Willander and/or Brzustewicz aren't included in that proposal ? Also, why not the '24 1st pick ?
Cause as far as I know, Forsberg is a top winger, worth way more than what you proposed.
Cause as far as I know, Forsberg is a top winger, worth way more than what you proposed.
A late 1st and some stuff for a proven 1st line wing, nvm that his stats have been kept down by playing on a defensively driven, offensively constipated team over the years?
So much wrong with this proposal.
- NSH is fighting for a playoff spot. Trade their best forward for futures, and mediocre futures?
- When you skip a year forward in draft picks, it is automatically worth less, generally a whole round. 2025 1st = 2024 2nd, 2026 2nd= 2024 4th, etc. GM's are an impatient lot...they want their value. If they wait too long, the picks and prospects will go to their successors, and not benefit them at all.
VAN is offering the equivalent of a very late 2024 2nd, 2024 4th, and a player that is a cap dump for Filip Forsberg
If NSH ever decides to move FF, he should get an A level prospect and a top 15 or so 1st. Either that or a top 4-8 1st, depending on the draft.
Oh, and FF has a NMC. Maybe he's tired of Nashville, but most players like it, and the tax structure there. Don't think he'd be in a hurry to dump that for Vancouver, not that it is a bad city in itself.
So much wrong with this proposal.
- NSH is fighting for a playoff spot. Trade their best forward for futures, and mediocre futures?
- When you skip a year forward in draft picks, it is automatically worth less, generally a whole round. 2025 1st = 2024 2nd, 2026 2nd= 2024 4th, etc. GM's are an impatient lot...they want their value. If they wait too long, the picks and prospects will go to their successors, and not benefit them at all.
VAN is offering the equivalent of a very late 2024 2nd, 2024 4th, and a player that is a cap dump for Filip Forsberg
If NSH ever decides to move FF, he should get an A level prospect and a top 15 or so 1st. Either that or a top 4-8 1st, depending on the draft.
Oh, and FF has a NMC. Maybe he's tired of Nashville, but most players like it, and the tax structure there. Don't think he'd be in a hurry to dump that for Vancouver, not that it is a bad city in itself.
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Full NMC until 2028, on a long-term deal, in a tax-free state. Plus, the Predators like him, plus Nashville is not looking to rebuild. Some proposals just don't take all sides (Team A, Team B, player needs/objectives if he has control) into account.
I see no reason why he would be available.
He played out his contract year and was a few days from the open market. Yet, he re-signed, despite the team being mid for years and having a similar outlook. Wanting out a year and a half later seems dubious. He has complete control with his NMC.
Trotz appears to be comfortable trying to build without blowing it up, judging by his first off-season.
He played out his contract year and was a few days from the open market. Yet, he re-signed, despite the team being mid for years and having a similar outlook. Wanting out a year and a half later seems dubious. He has complete control with his NMC.
Trotz appears to be comfortable trying to build without blowing it up, judging by his first off-season.
the OP offer with Kuzmenko is closer to Forsberg's value than this is. No one is giving 2 A level prospects + 1st let alone addign to that for him. You could easily flip Kuzmenko for a 2nd or a 1st with 50% ret next year. 2 1sts and a 2nd is not too far off Forsberg's value.
Miller was considered negative value by basically this entire board before the start of this season and likely even now half this board prob still thinks that. He's only 1 year older than Forsberg.
JT Miller has averaged 95 points per 82 games over the last 3 seasons including this one. He makes 500K less at 8M. He also plays the more vital position being a center.
Over there careers, Forsberg avgs 6 more points per 82 games.
Forsberg's value is likely around 2 1sts + 2nd + 3rd if you're going based off pick value.
Ok, but Nashville has 3 2nds this year and two firsts next year. So picks don't make sense if we even did want to move him.
Peter Griffin
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If the Canucks have two "A-level" prospects, I'm not aware of it. The overwhelming majority of teams do not, and most teams' "two best" are closer to B level than A level. So two "B" prospects and a late first and a capdump is still not enough in my opinion to grab a near or over PPG two way winger signed long term to a reasonable cap hit.
And by the way, 2 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd has more value than both of the offers originally presented, which is what I responded to.
abo9
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Idk, 2 very good prospects are still very much a mystery box. Forsberg is an elite winger.
You'll be lucky if one of those players approaches Forsberg's on ice impact one day.
Thats not to say it makes sense for the Canucks, or the Preds to do that trade
The canucks absolutely trade a 1st two drafts from now for a player who's top 10 in goals and top 15 in points.
