Filip Chytil

[Reverend Mayhem]

I'm not sure if drafting Barbashev especially would have moved the needle. But we could have drafted Pastrnak instead of McCann. Not doing a full teardown rebuild was a missed opportunity but it might have not made a huge difference either. In 2015 we apparently had Brisebois ranked higher. That was a good draft to have a 2nd but not necessar a 3rd and we could have just drafted Brisebois with a 2nd. 2016 we might have been high on DeBrincat and that might have changed things but we could have easily drafted someone else like Asplund who went in that spot. In 2017 we had two 2nds and ended up with Lind and Gadjovich. Our high 2nd and 3rd in 2018 were Woo and Madden. Etc. Etc.

We could have drafted Pastrnak,

I could have said I wanted Pastrnak,

But it wouldn't have been the truth...which matters more. All that matters is he ended up being the player I thought he could be.

Funny enough I was extremely high on Debrincat. If we ever acquired another 1st round pick like I wanted us to during the 2015-19 drafts, I would have picked him as high as the late-teens.

Dude, Benning made so many blunders on draft day I was honestly shaken. Made me feel like I could have done a better job. Then he went and re-orged the draft committee and did a pretty good job, actually.

E: I'm so bad with defenseman, however. I'm starting to turn a corner on them. But I'll shamelessly credit and sewer myself. I thought McAvoy was only surpassed by Juolevi in my D list. Dead wrong there. I would have been with Juolevi at 5, had Tkachuk not still been on the board. I was pissed we didn't draft Matthew.

 

[F A N]

We could have drafted Pastrnak,

I could have said I wanted Pastrnak,

But it wouldn't have been the truth...which matters more. All that matters is he ended up being the player I thought he could be.

Funny enough I was extremely high on Debrincat. If we ever acquired another 1st round pick like I wanted us to during the 2015-19 drafts, I would have picked him as high as the late-teens.

Dude, Benning made so many blunders on draft day I was honestly shaken. Made me feel like I could have done a better job. Then he went and re-orged the draft committee and did a pretty good job, actually.

E: I'm so bad with defenseman, however. I'm starting to turn a corner on them. But I'll shamelessly credit and sewer myself. I thought McAvoy was only surpassed by Juolevi in my D list. Dead wrong there. I would have been with Juolevi at 5, had Tkachuk not still been on the board. I was pissed we didn't draft Matthew.

Ya unfortunately it happens so often as a Canucks fan I am more or less defeated. I can only hope for the best. I remember there were a few posters here who were critical of management having tunnel vision for Hughes like it was a bad thing. Had Hughes busted we wouldn't hear the end of it. As far as Barbashev, I did prefer McCann at the draft and still think he is the better pick.

I think currrent management has done a great job drafting defensemen (although last draft not so much but we also didn't have the picks). I hope the BPA is a C this year. We haven't drafted a projected C in the first 3 rounds since 2018 (Madden).

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Ya unfortunately it happens so often as a Canucks fan I am more or less defeated. I can only hope for the best. I remember there were a few posters here who were critical of management having tunnel vision for Hughes like it was a bad thing. Had Hughes busted we wouldn't hear the end of it. As far as Barbashev, I did prefer McCann at the draft and still think he is the better pick.

I think currrent management has done a great job drafting defensemen (although last draft not so much but we also didn't have the picks). I hope the BPA is a C this year. We haven't drafted a projected C in the first 3 rounds since 2018 (Madden).

I don't disagree with you re: McCann over Barbashev. It's just McCann's development was stunted by ours and his poor decision-making and attitude. I thought he'd bust in Florida and be out of the league, and I was....half-right. Didn't think he'd find his extra gear in P-burgh.

I still don't love the idea of drafting by position, that's what netted us Juolevi over Tkachuk. Funny enough I wanted Danielson/Kasper really bad because the way JT plays, his body will quit on him eventually and it just made sense. Willander wasn't half-bad, but skill and capability-wise, he's far less a player than Danielson or Kasper but Detroit beat us to the punch both times.

I still have zero clue what Detroit is trying to accomplish. It's an organization without a purpose.

 

[VanJack]

I seriously wonder if Filip Chytil will play another game for the Canucks this season. And unless things go better in the off-season-- a lot better than they did the last time he missed almost entire season with concussion symptoms--then you'd have to wonder about his career, period.

It would be a shame, really. But at just 25 years old--he still has almost his entire life in front of him.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I seriously wonder if Filip Chytil will play another game for the Canucks this season. And unless things go better in the off-season-- a lot better than they did the last time he missed almost entire season with concussion symptoms--then you'd have to wonder about his career, period.

It would be a shame, really. But at just 25 years old--he still has almost his entire life in front of him.

Here's hoping he makes a wiser choice than Ferland and stays out the rest of the season. You can f*** with a lot things in your career, the head ain't one of them.

 

[F A N]

I don't disagree with you re: McCann over Barbashev. It's just McCann's development was stunted by ours and his poor decision-making and attitude. I thought he'd bust in Florida and be out of the league, and I was....half-right. Didn't think he'd find his extra gear in P-burgh.

I think when it comes to drafting you're drafting players based on projections and potential. McCann to his credit is skilled and pretty advanced defensively. It did take him a while get to where we wanted him to be at the time of the draft but I'm not sure if it's our fault or otherwise. When we drafted him, the concern was that he was putting up underwhelming numbers relative to his skill level but that's a whole other discussion.

I still don't love the idea of drafting by position, that's what netted us Juolevi over Tkachuk. Funny enough I wanted Danielson/Kasper really bad because the way JT plays, his body will quit on him eventually and it just made sense. Willander wasn't half-bad, but skill and capability-wise, he's far less a player than Danielson or Kasper but Detroit beat us to the punch both times.

I still have zero clue what Detroit is trying to accomplish. It's an organization without a purpose.

Fair enough. I didn't think Kasper would be available by the time we picked and preferred Pickering. I did like Danielson as well but Dvorsky seems better right now. I didn't necessarily prefer them over Willander.

I've come around to drafting best asset available. There are just positions that are harder to fill without drafting the player. The problem with the 2016 draft is that Tkachuk ended up becoming a star and Juolevi a bust. Had Tkachuk been a 25+ goal 65-70 point winger as reasonably projected at the time and Juolevi a #3 transition defenseman with size (as reasonably projected) we wouldn't really have an issue. The problem is that Tkachuk became a star and Sergachev, McAvoy, and Chyhrun were a lot better than Juolevi. I think you would agree that nobody thought Tkachuk would score 40+ goal 100+ points.

 

[EXTRAS]

Yo you coming back?

 

[Raistlin]

Yo you coming back?

you got a box of tissues with you in case?

 

[EXTRAS]

you got a box of tissues with you in case?

I typically keep them in a box not a case.

 

[F A N]

Do you think he plays another game this season? I don't mean to sound heartless, but if he ends the season playing, the buyout option is available right? Not that I think we would buy him out.

 

[Diversification]

Do you think he plays another game this season? I don't mean to sound heartless, but if he ends the season playing, the buyout option is available right? Not that I think we would buy him out.

I have it on good authority that he'll be back in time to suit up for us game 3 of the Western Conference Finals

 

[VanJack]

Tocchet is sounding a note of cautious optimism. Apparently Chytil is reporting that his concussion symptoms aren't as bad this time, as they were when he missed most of the season in New York.

Obviously he won't play again this year......and best case scenario, he's fully healthy and ready to compete for one of the center spots in training camp. But at best, he remains a huge question mark.

 

[F A N]

Tocchet is sounding a note of cautious optimism. Apparently Chytil is reporting that his concussion symptoms aren't as bad this time, as they were when he missed most of the season in New York.

Obviously he won't play again this year......and best case scenario, he's fully healthy and ready to compete for one of the center spots in training camp. But at best, he remains a huge question mark.

I honestly don't know how many times Chytil should come back from these type of head injuries. Having good and bad days is pretty scary given his concussion history.

 

[David71]

i think hes buyout proof. concussions are nothing to mess with. theres life after hockey hes still young.

 

[MS]

Do you think he plays another game this season? I don't mean to sound heartless, but if he ends the season playing, the buyout option is available right? Not that I think we would buy him out.

LTIR would be a better option for both the player and the team.

 

[Ernie]

Do you think he plays another game this season? I don't mean to sound heartless, but if he ends the season playing, the buyout option is available right? Not that I think we would buy him out.

It's very unlikely we see him again this season, but the Canucks would probably be wise to take the L and buy him out if they get the chance. Because he's still 25 the buyout would be set at 33%:

2025: $281,250
2026: $1,406,250
2027: $718,750
2028: $718,750

 

[Nuckles]

It's very unlikely we see him again this season, but the Canucks would probably be wise to take the L and buy him out if they get the chance. Because he's still 25 the buyout would be set at 33%:

2025: $281,250
2026: $1,406,250
2027: $718,750
2028: $718,750

Only problem is that he needs to be cleared medically before being bought out, which I get the feeling is extremely unlikely to happen anytime soon.

https://puckpedia.com/buyout-calculator

Is There Anything That Can Prevent a Buyout?​

Players with new contracts (that have yet to start) cannot be bought out, nor can a player who is injured and who has not given their permission.

 

[Ernie]

Only problem is that he needs to be cleared medically before being bought out, which I get the feeling is extremely unlikely to happen anytime soon.

https://puckpedia.com/buyout-calculator

Is There Anything That Can Prevent a Buyout?​

Players with new contracts (that have yet to start) cannot be bought out, nor can a player who is injured and who has not given their permission.

Yup very unfortunate for the team and especially for the player.

 

[Hodgy]

LTIR would be a better option for both the player and the team.

As @Ernie posted, since he's 25, the buyout is actually pretty reasonable. And I could see the team preferring it for two reasons: first, it gives them certainty, because if we go the LTIR route, we need to wait and see if he recovers or not by the start of the season which would effectively handcuff us from spending the cap space this summer and could leave our already terrible forward group in a much worse position come October if he can't play; and second, this team has stated many times that they don't want to operate in LTIR so they can accumulate cap space.

Its very unfortunate for the team and player. And its effect will likely be magnified given that our forward group is already quite poor.

 

[Ernie]

As @Ernie posted, since he's 25, the buyout is actually pretty reasonable. And I could see the team preferring it for two reasons: first, it gives them certainty, because if we go the LTIR route, we need to wait and see if he recovers or not by the start of the season which would effectively handcuff us from spending the cap space this summer and could leave our already terrible forward group in a much worse position come October if he can't play; and second, this team has stated many times that they don't want to operate in LTIR so they can accumulate cap space.

Its very unfortunate for the team and player. And its effect will likely be magnified given that our forward group is already quite poor.

Yeah and buyout would also be timed well, with just $200k next year then a bump to $1.4m coinciding with the OEL buyout decreasing from $4.7m to $2.1m.

I don't think he'd have to play a game to be medically cleared for a buyout, though I suspect that if the Canucks tried that Chytil's agent would file a grievance with the NHLPA.

It's just an unfortunately situation, and completely avoidable from the Canucks' perspective. They definitely needed a center but would have been better off with just Mancini and the pick with how things have played out.

 

[Hodgy]

Yeah and buyout would also be timed well, with just $200k next year then a bump to $1.4m coinciding with the OEL buyout decreasing from $4.7m to $2.1m.

I don't think he'd have to play a game to be medically cleared for a buyout, though I suspect that if the Canucks tried that Chytil's agent would file a grievance with the NHLPA.

It's just an unfortunately situation, and completely avoidable from the Canucks' perspective. They definitely needed a center but would have been better off with just Mancini and the pick with how things have played out.

Oh for sure. At this point, Chytil likely is a negative value asset, although a rebuilding team with a lot of cap space may take a flier on him, and in fact, trading him to that type of team could be the best way out.

Because if we don't trade him or buy him out, I wouldn't expect the Canucks, to know definitively during the summer, whether he will start on the LTIR. So they are going to have to try to upgrade the forward group this summer, with only 12 million dollars or so in cap space, which is already a daunting task given the poor centre depth currently, and face the possibility that Chytil isn't healthy to start the regular season. And sure, you can put him on LTIR then, but good luck trying to replace him or use that cap space in the fall - by the time players become available at reasonable prices the Canucks could be out of it kind of like this season and the defense.

 

[Bourdon]

Yeah and buyout would also be timed well, with just $200k next year then a bump to $1.4m coinciding with the OEL buyout decreasing from $4.7m to $2.1m.

I don't think he'd have to play a game to be medically cleared for a buyout, though I suspect that if the Canucks tried that Chytil's agent would file a grievance with the NHLPA.

It's just an unfortunately situation, and completely avoidable from the Canucks' perspective. They definitely needed a center but would have been better off with just Mancini and the pick with how things have played out.

Nah, I've been saying all along, he's a cap dump from the Rangers. I don't think Rangers would do a trade w/o Chytil or similar money going out.

The dude paced for 33pt and minus 60 over 82 games. The only reason why we view him slightly positively is because he was so fast and filled a huge team build issue. He's nothing more than a 3rd liner that has to be given sheltered minutes and is the most concussion prone player in the league. Any hit is potentially a career ending one. If management did specifically target him, that's such a massive blunder.

Personally, if I were Hughes, I wouldn't trust management in any fashion. This group operates with a brazen narcissism and a lack of tact and professionalism. No GM should be calling out their star players the way Pete has gotten. Or Brock. How many players have they signed then thrown away into the garbage? Players pay attention to this stuff and talk to one another regarding this stuff. No one wants to sign here and have to uproot their lives 6, or 18 months from now.

 

[VanJack]

We could have drafted Pastrnak,

I could have said I wanted Pastrnak,

But it wouldn't have been the truth...which matters more. All that matters is he ended up being the player I thought he could be.

Funny enough I was extremely high on Debrincat. If we ever acquired another 1st round pick like I wanted us to during the 2015-19 drafts, I would have picked him as high as the late-teens.

Dude, Benning made so many blunders on draft day I was honestly shaken. Made me feel like I could have done a better job. Then he went and re-orged the draft committee and did a pretty good job, actually.

E: I'm so bad with defenseman, however. I'm starting to turn a corner on them. But I'll shamelessly credit and sewer myself. I thought McAvoy was only surpassed by Juolevi in my D list. Dead wrong there. I would have been with Juolevi at 5, had Tkachuk not still been on the board. I was pissed we didn't draft Matthew.

Yep, we could have drafted Ehlers or Nylander, instead of Virtanen; we could have drafted Pastnrnak instead of McCann, who went one pick earlier. We could have drafted Matthew Tkachuk instead of Julovei; and we could have had Boldy or Caufield, instead of Podkolzin.

What hurts, isn't that the front office and scouts dropped the ball. It's that almost everybody on these Boards was clamoring the players they 'didn't draft'.

No disrespect to the posters on HF Boards. But when contributors on an NHL fan site, have a better handle on who the team should draft than the guys who are paid big bucks in the front office--well that's the quintessential definition of 'futility'.

 

[Rejavanated]

Yep, we could have drafted Ehlers or Nylander, instead of Virtanen; we could have drafted Pastnrnak instead of McCann, who went one pick earlier. We could have drafted Matthew Tkachuk instead of Julovei; and we could have had Boldy or Caufield, instead of Podkolzin.

What hurts, isn't that the front office and scouts dropped the ball. It's that almost everybody on these Boards was clamoring the players they 'didn't draft'.

No disrespect to the posters on HF Boards. But when contributors on an NHL fan site, have a better handle on who the team should draft than the guys who are paid big bucks in the front office--well that's the quintessential definition of 'futility'.

The McCann pick was fine. The Virtanen pick was justifiable even if it turned out to be wrong. Juolevi over Tkachuk is indefensible.

These picks all happened over a decade ago. Every reasonable Canucks fan is fully aware of just how horrifically incompetent the Benning regime was. Let's move on.

 

[F A N]

It's very unlikely we see him again this season, but the Canucks would probably be wise to take the L and buy him out if they get the chance. Because he's still 25 the buyout would be set at 33%:

2025: $281,250
2026: $1,406,250
2027: $718,750
2028: $718,750

Only problem is that he needs to be cleared medically before being bought out, which I get the feeling is extremely unlikely to happen anytime soon.

https://puckpedia.com/buyout-calculator

Is There Anything That Can Prevent a Buyout?​

Players with new contracts (that have yet to start) cannot be bought out, nor can a player who is injured and who has not given their permission.

That is the question posed in my last post. If he does come back and play the remaining 2-3 games for example that opens up the option for a buyout no?