Fighting has to go

[Beau Knows]

Op said he wants fighting gone. He wants it cancelled. That’s where they start first. Next it’ll be cancelling hitting, then cheerleaders, then when all the physicality is gone they’ll call for women to play alongside men.

So because "gone = cancelled" it's "cancel culture"? Was it cancel culture when the league banned playing the puck from outside of the trapezoid? Brodeur was cancelled!!!

 

[NeelyWasAWarrior]

So because "gone = cancelled" it's "cancel culture"? Was it cancel culture when the league banned playing the puck from outside of the trapezoid? Brodeur was cancelled!!!

yes any call for change on an issue that screams masculinity falls under cancel culture.

 

[Beau Knows]

yes any call for change on an issue that screams masculinity falls under cancel culture.

First they came for my trapezoid, and I did not speak out
Then they came for 4 on 4 OT, and I did not speak out
They they came for fighting, and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[NeelyWasAWarrior]

First they came for my trapezoid, and I did not speak out
Then they came for 4 on 4 OT, and I did not speak out
They they came for fighting, and there was no one left to speak for me.

Im actually fine with the first two changes. Fighting needs to stay.

 

[Beau Knows]

Im actually fine with the first two changes. Fighting needs to stay.

You can't change the rules, that's cancel culture.

 

[bobbyking]

Fighting and hard hits are a large draw for people. I am okay with removing the staged fights and fights over every hard hit. However, it may be better to get out the bad blood in a fight than have someone running around the ice trying to kill someone against the boards.

great post

 

[MartyOwns]

Calling someone else stupid for a "difference of opinion" is pretty indicative of some serious projecting on your part.

i'm pretty sure i didn't call you stupid. but it's tempting when you write:

Fighting must serve a purpose if the overwhelming majority of players support it.

blatantly not true lol. that's not a purpose, that's engrained culture. there. is. no. purpose. to. fighting. in. 2021.

Hitting is also inherently dangerous. Routine, benign hitting.

this goes back to "read before you post" because this has already been addressed, multiple times. hitting serves a purpose, to separate a man from the puck. the purpose of fighting, according to you, is the players like it. you realize how ridiculous that sounds, right?

I don't give a shit what other leagues are doing.

that's terrific, truly an intellectual counterpoint if i've ever seen one. there's a reason no other sports tolerate fighting like the nhl, but i guess if you don't give a shit that doesn't warrant consideration. well done, gold star. you win!

 

[bobbyking]

really miss those sweet kronwall type hip checks

 

[NeelyWasAWarrior]

You can't change the rules, that's cancel culture.

the first two examples have nothing to do with masculinity. “Toxic” masculinity is being cancelled out.

 

[bobbyking]

Kassian isnt in the league if fighting was banned. Personally I dont mind a good fight from bad blood. Staged fights or fights from clean hits I can do without. Hockey is a physical sport, lets not turn it into figure skating.

well I'm sure hed easily find life time work as a punching bag

 

[Beau Knows]

the first two examples have nothing to do with masculinity. “Toxic” masculinity is being cancelled out.

That is an incredibly dumb distinction to make.

You can change the rules, as long as it doesn't result in some perceived decrease in "masculinity"? Does actually calling hooking and holding decrease masculinity, since a real man would just fight through all that stuff? I guess it was cancel culture in 2005 when the league cracked down on that stuff.

 

[NeelyWasAWarrior]

Fighting is the ultimate masculine event in the sport of hockey. I think it goes without saying. You’re just arguing peripheral stuff for the sake of arguing.

deflect deflect deflect. A cancel culture specialty.

 

[habdynasty]

I thought it left a long time ago.

 

[Unspecified]

Maybe we should just make the NHL like beer leagues with no hitting, no fighting and no talking back to the refs.

C'mon people this is professional hockey!

 

[NeelyWasAWarrior]

Maybe we should just make the NHL like beer leagues with no hitting, no fighting and no talking back to the refs.

C'mon people this is professional hockey!

that’s what they want so they can allow women to play alongside men.

 

[Beau Knows]

Fighting is the ultimate masculine event in the sport of hockey. I think it goes without saying. You’re just arguing peripheral stuff for the sake of arguing.

deflect deflect deflect. A cancel culture specialty.

I'm trying to show you how bad your argument is, but you can't seem to see it.

If you support fighting because it's entertaining or you think it helps police the game, then great, those are solid arguments in favour of it. But if your argument is "the cancel culture" and "but what about masculinity" it makes you come across as being very fragile and it doesn't address any of the reasons that some people think the sport has little need for it anymore.

 

[Beau Knows]

that’s what they want so they can allow women to play alongside men.

Wait would you actually complain if a woman was good enough to make the NHL? There's no rule against it, so you'd be calling for her to be cancelled...

 

[NeelyWasAWarrior]

I'm trying to show you how bad your argument is, but you can't seem to see it.

If you support fighting because it's entertaining or you think it helps police the game, then great, those are solid arguments in favour of it. But if your argument is "the cancel culture" and "but what about masculinity" it makes you come across as being very fragile and it doesn't address any of the reasons that some people think the sport has little need for it anymore.

lol I think fighting is entertaining and does police the game. I also believe that the cancel culture fanatics want that aspect they deem as “toxic” masculinity removed from the game. Not sure why youre confused.

 

[BigFatCat999]

Fighting has to go....into the stands!

 

[Voight]

The yearly fighting hot take has arrived.

May as well ban hitting then no?

 

[Beau Knows]

lol I think fighting is entertaining and does police the game. I also believe that the cancel culture fanatics want that aspect they deem as “toxic” masculinity removed from the game. Not sure why your confused.

Because your post was about "the cancel culture", not any of those points. It also didn't address any points anyone has made in this thread, so it seems like a bit of a strawman argument.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I also believe that the cancel culture fanatics want that aspect they deem as “toxic” masculinity removed from the game.

It's less about toxic masculinity and more about protecting players from unnecessary head trauma. But you go off, queen. Fight da power!

 

[RxPens]

that’s what they want so they can allow women to play alongside men.

Who are you referring to as "they?"

As a reader, it is hard to follow an argument with broad pronoun usage. It is easier for each side to understand each other when definitions are clear.

 

[NeelyWasAWarrior]

Wait would you actually complain if a woman was good enough to make the NHL? There's no rule against it, so you'd be calling for her to be cancelled...

Goalie sure but a female skater would suffer many broken bones playing against grown men.

 

[NeelyWasAWarrior]

Because your post was about "the cancel culture", not any of those points. It also didn't address any points anyone has made in this thread, so it seems like a bit of a strawman argument.

well now you know.