Fall 2024-2025 Line up

[PromisedLand]

I am curious to know what you hope to get in a Marner trade. It has to be more than just Wright. He should come with one of Larsson, Oleksiak, or Borgen. Any one of those guys slots in where you have Pesce and probably for cheaper.

Where is Holmberg? I would have him on the fourth line and trade Kampf. That's cap space we could use.

These two above moves could give us the extra cash to spend on a Montour for example.

Oh yea forgot about Holmberg; Kampf and Dewar play PK so had him in but then again our PK sucked so ....

As much as I'd like Marner traded it will depend on if we do a sign and trade or just a trade where the team getting marner are risking him walking as a UFA so the return would depend on that

I saw someone post a pic of Berube and Marner having coffee today so I really doubt they are trading marner; its going to really SUCK us having 3 forwards at 11AAV+; Marner is probably looking to get 12 AAV+ which is really gonna SUCK

I think Florida is gonna re-sign Montour; and let Reinhart walk; They may even contemplate moving Bob to make other pieces fit at 50% that would give them 5 AAV more. Based on cap friendly they currently have 19 million to sign 9 players


Leafs have 18 million in cap space to sign 7 players; but Leafs can create more money by moving Kampf+Jankrok and following season Leafs will definitely have 11 AAV in cap space (with or without marner as Tavares goes off the cap).

Question now is whether Leafs management see Marner as part of the solution or part of the problem.

 

[I am Canadian]

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Crouse - Tavares - Mcmann
Robertson - Domi - Jarnkrok
Reeves - Kampf - Holmberg
Dewar

Rielly - Pesce
McCabe - Montour
Benoit - Durzi
Lyubishkin


Connor Ingram
Woll

 

[conFABulator]

Oh yea forgot about Holmberg; Kampf and Dewar play PK so had him in but then again our PK sucked so ....

As much as I'd like Marner traded it will depend on if we do a sign and trade or just a trade where the team getting marner are risking him walking as a UFA so the return would depend on that

I saw someone post a pic of Berube and Marner having coffee today so I really doubt they are trading marner; its going to really SUCK us having 3 forwards at 11AAV+; Marner is probably looking to get 12 AAV+ which is really gonna SUCK

I think Florida is gonna re-sign Montour; and let Reinhart walk; They may even contemplate moving Bob to make other pieces fit at 50% that would give them 5 AAV more. Based on cap friendly they currently have 19 million to sign 9 players


Leafs have 18 million in cap space to sign 7 players; but Leafs can create more money by moving Kampf+Jankrok and following season Leafs will definitely have 11 AAV in cap space (with or without marner as Tavares goes off the cap).

Question now is whether Leafs management see Marner as part of the solution or part of the problem.

Yeah, I saw the Berube and Marner pic.

It could mean Marner is not getting traded, or it could mean...

They are considering trading Marner and Berube wanted to get to know him a bit to get a read on Marner's mindset?

Or

They are planning on trading Marner and want it to look like they are not planning or wanting to do this (why coffee in a public place?)

Or

Berube is meeting with all key players and he has nothing to do with deciding who gets traded.

I agree it will suck to have Marner back, not that I hate him...it's just that this seems like the opportunity to change things dramatically here for once.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

It’s reported domi camp wants 6 mil per…if that’s the case..see ya!

A million a goal?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Unfortunately, we will run it back with the core 4. Treliving wants to see what Berube can get out of the guys. My guess for line-up predictions

Bertuzzi - Mathews - Domi
Knies - Tavares - Marner
McMann - Laughton - Nylander
Trenin - Dewar - Reaves/Holmberg

Reilly - Pesce
Benoit - McCabe
Dillon - Liljegren

Woll

Woll isn't going to be the #1, he can't stay healthy

Yeah, I saw the Berube and Marner pic.

It could mean Marner is not getting traded, or it could mean...

They are considering trading Marner and Berube wanted to get to know him a bit to get a read on Marner's mindset?

Or

They are planning on trading Marner and want it to look like they are not planning or wanting to do this (why coffee in a public place?)

Or

Berube is meeting with all key players and he has nothing to do with deciding who gets traded.

I agree it will suck to have Marner back, not that I hate him...it's just that this seems like the opportunity to change things dramatically here for once.

I have a VERY hard time believing Berube has no say in who stays and who goes.

 

[conFABulator]

Woll isn't going to be the #1, he can't stay healthy



I have a VERY hard time believing Berube has no say in who stays and who goes.

Yeah, my wording may have been dramatic. I hope the head coach has say on who stays and who goes...having said this, meeting with a star player a few days into the job would not be an indication the player is staying.

 

[rumman]

Bert - Matty - *Nyquist
Knies - Willy - Domi
McMann - JT - Holm
Dewar - Kampf - Reavo

Rielly - *DeMelo
*Big Z - *Montour
Benny - MCabe

*Saros
Woll

congrats, your the first person to properly place JT in the line up..............

 

[rumman]

He was also fooled by Matthews , Marner and Nylander into thinking they were good players.

oh, they're good players..........when they're not mailing it in, or when looking at the cap spreadsheet............

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Who reported that?

Nobody, Lebrun speculated but it was pure speculation not a report

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

I have a feeling Domi would rather sign a 1mx8 deal here then sign elsewhere for 6m

 

[Community]

Probably in the minority, but I wonder if we can get Marner to sign for 1 more year with a modified NTC. I really don't want him to walk for nothing... I think capspace is a lot less valuable then people make it out to be here, especially when if you spend it on high level UFAs they're typically overpayments.

 

[I am Canadian]

Probably in the minority, but I wonder if we can get Marner to sign for 1 more year with a modified NTC. I really don't want him to walk for nothing... I think capspace is a lot less valuable then people make it out to be here, especially when if you spend it on high level UFAs they're typically overpayments.

There's not a chance he signs for only one year

 

[ULF_55]

Probably in the minority, but I wonder if we can get Marner to sign for 1 more year with a modified NTC. I really don't want him to walk for nothing... I think capspace is a lot less valuable then people make it out to be here, especially when if you spend it on high level UFAs they're typically overpayments.

One year max?

What is max in 2024, 20%?

So would he sign for $17mm for 1 year? That would be precedent setting. First player to get MAX ... maybe he would?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

It's pretty clear that a shakeup means moving Marner and Captain Boat Anchor for a quality netminder and stud defenseman somehow.

Leafs trade Tavares (11) + Minten + 1st (2024) + 1st (2026) for Werenski (9.5)

Leafs trade Marner (11) + Robertson (2) + Liljegren (2) + Hildeby + 1st (2027) + 1st (2028) for Hellebuyck (8.5) + Morrisey (6)

Leafs sign Montour (6)

Bertuzzi(5.5)/Matthews(13.5)/Cowan(1)
Knies(1)/Domi(4)/Nylander(11.5)
Gregor (1)/Kampf(2.5)/Jarnkrok(2)
McMann(1)/Holmberg(1)/Dewar(1)
*Reaves (1)

Rielly(7.5)/Werenski(9.5)
Morrisey(6)/Montour(6)
Benoit(1.5)/McCabe(2)

Hellebuyck(8.5)
Woll(1)

Total = 87 (0 remaining)

 

[Community]

It's pretty clear that a shakeup means moving Marner and Captain Boat Anchor for a quality netminder and stud defenseman somehow.

Leafs trade Tavares (11) + Minten + 1st (2024) + 1st (2026) for Werenski (9.5)

Leafs trade Marner (11) + Robertson (2) + Liljegren (2) + Hildeby + 1st (2027) + 1st (2028) for Hellebuyck (8.5) + Morrisey (6)

Leafs sign Montour (6)

Bertuzzi(5.5)/Matthews(13.5)/Cowan(1)
Knies(1)/Domi(4)/Nylander(11.5)
Gregor (1)/Kampf(2.5)/Jarnkrok(2)
McMann(1)/Holmberg(1)/Dewar(1)
*Reaves (1)

Rielly(7.5)/Werenski(9.5)
Morrisey(6)/Montour(6)
Benoit(1.5)/McCabe(2)

Hellebuyck(8.5)
Woll(1)

Total = 87 (0 remaining)

What happens when the Leafs have to resign McCabe, Knies, Holmberg, and Woll thr following year? The forward depth is also terrible... Kampf as 3C and a very unproven bottom 9 with only two guys (McMann and Nylander) capable of playing higher in the lineup.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Mitch for Larsson, Tolvanen and picks, Kampf for whatever, Robertson and Liljegren available, Jarnkrok is a good piece for value but also available.

Knies Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Robertson Holmberg Tolvanen
Dewar ??? Jarnkrok
(Reaves, Gregor)

Rielly Larsson
Benoit McCabe
Edmundson Liljegren
???

Woll
Stolarz

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

What happens when the Leafs have to resign McCabe, Knies, Holmberg, and Woll thr following year? The forward depth is also terrible... Kampf as 3C and a very unproven bottom 9 with only two guys (McMann and Nylander) capable of playing higher in the lineup.

The objective is to win the cup this year.

You worry about next year next year. Those chumps arent getting much of a raise anyway. The gamble here is that Domi and Cowan replace most of Tavares and Marners production at a fraction of the cost.

Otherwise don't sign Montour and get another forward or two for the same six million.

 

[Community]

The objective is to win the cup this year.

You worry about next year next year. Those chumps arent getting much of a raise anyway. The gamble here is that Domi and Cowan replace most of Tavares and Marners production at a fraction of the cost.

Otherwise don't sign Montour and get another forward or two for the same six million.

So you're giving up some of our young assets, four 1st round picks, and the ability to resign most players next year for a 31 year old goalie coming off a terrible playoffs and an oft-injured werenski... this team is also mediocre and in serious trouble if Nylander or Matthews are injured due to a lack of quality scoring depth.

If you can't trade Marner for a good deal and you don't want to resign him, next year is a transition year where you ride out JT and Marners contracts and then re-tool with the 22m in capspace.

Edit: not worrying about next year is how you end up with another Kessel scenario where the team sucks and you are stuck in mediocrity for the next several years. You proposed to give up our 1st rounders until 2029 and in thr process we wouldnt even become the cup favourites. That's insane.

 

[Nineteen67]

The objective is to win the cup this year.

You worry about next year next year. Those chumps arent getting much of a raise anyway. The gamble here is that Domi and Cowan replace most of Tavares and Marners production at a fraction of the cost.

Otherwise don't sign Montour and get another forward or two for the same six million.

They're 6 or 7 players away from being a contender so they can’t give away all your their young talent and picks.

 

[Magic Man]

Mitch for Larsson, Tolvanen and picks, Kampf for whatever, Robertson and Liljegren available, Jarnkrok is a good piece for value but also available.

Knies Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Robertson Holmberg Tolvanen
Dewar ??? Jarnkrok
(Reaves, Gregor)

Rielly Larsson
Benoit McCabe
Edmundson Liljegren
???

Woll
Stolarz

Need a better package then that for Mitch. Not many annual top-10 scorers on the market in their prime. Needs to be a greasy package to land Marner. Over the last 6 seasons he ranks 8th in total points and point per game.

The names above him on the list are McDavid, Kucherov, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Matthews, Pastrnak and Panarin. They have to get this trade right.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Dubas liked his butter soft players kerfoot, jarnkrok, kampf, malgin, and what other pipsqueek he fell in love. God what an idiot

That he would give the smaller players so many chances and then give a kid like Marchment 1 or 2 games before trading him for tiny Malgin shows that he had a theory to prove. He barely gave any of the bigger guys a good look to see what we had, yet Kerfoot was kept for his full 4yrs because he traded for him. What an egotistical moron....

 

[rumman]

That he would give the smaller players so many chances and then give a kid like Marchment 1 or 2 games before trading him for tiny Malgin shows that he had a theory to prove. He barely gave any of the bigger guys a good look to see what we had, yet Kerfoot was kept for his full 4yrs because he traded for him. What an egotistical moron....

Dubas suffers from a bad case of Napoleon Complex, hence his obsession with small players...............

 

[centipede2233]

That he would give the smaller players so many chances and then give a kid like Marchment 1 or 2 games before trading him for tiny Malgin shows that he had a theory to prove. He barely gave any of the bigger guys a good look to see what we had, yet Kerfoot was kept for his full 4yrs because he traded for him. What an egotistical moron....

Totally agree. Then a new penguins ownership group couldn’t wait to hire him, they couldn’t even pronounce his name correctly, I guess fools seldom differ

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

They're 6 or 7 players away from being a contender so they can’t give away all your their young talent and picks.

So you're giving up some of our young assets, four 1st round picks, and the ability to resign most players next year for a 31 year old goalie coming off a terrible playoffs and an oft-injured werenski... this team is also mediocre and in serious trouble if Nylander or Matthews are injured due to a lack of quality scoring depth.

If you can't trade Marner for a good deal and you don't want to resign him, next year is a transition year where you ride out JT and Marners contracts and then re-tool with the 22m in capspace.

Edit: not worrying about next year is how you end up with another Kessel scenario where the team sucks and you are stuck in mediocrity for the next several years. You proposed to give up our 1st rounders until 2029 and in thr process we wouldnt even become the cup favourites. That's insane.

I think it would be a bigger gamble keeping those picks and prospects and hoping they turn into the stars they want to trade for anyway.

Like those 2027 and 2028 picks, for example, are no good to win before the Matthews contract expires. The objective is to fill in the team around the stars already on it. Not hope these long shot picks and prospects turn into those players.

The fans have been so conditioned for failure they still want to build for the future even though the opportunity to win it all is now.

 

[Nineteen67]

I think it would be a bigger gamble keeping those picks and prospects and hoping they turn into the stars they want to trade for anyway.

Like those 2027 and 2028 picks, for example, are no good to win before the Matthews contract expires. The objective is to fill in the team around the stars already on it. Not hope these long shot picks and prospects turn into those players.

The fans have been so conditioned for failure they still want to build for the future even though the opportunity to win it all is now.

Of that 6 or 7 players they need, a couple need to be stars that can carry the current crop.