Player Discussion Fabian Zetterlund traded to Ottawa

[Mr Hat]

Happy Staios did some moves to improve the team, but this one hasn’t worked so far, just be honest.

His ask was probably around 5 á year and griper said F it.

Can’t see this guy getting less than 4 with hos previous number - and should get that with those, but the sens might hesitate on it, but he’ll take it to arbitration for sure.

Don’t like the coach decision trying to jump start someone clearly not working out - play the guys that deliver.

Maybe a healthy scratch and some self reflection might lower his ask and give him (agent’s) a reality check.

Amadio and even Gaudette makes way more out of their time on the ice
Even though I’ve never been high on any, but you gotta be honest.

Zetterlund needs to show some accountability and not being put in a top 6 role he can’t handle.
Not getting any points is just bad and can’t be defended.


For now this is looking like a bad trade.
All his former numbers with sharks and lack of there of has nothing to do with his performance
In Senators.

He was brought in to produce but has done nothing more than underperform, sad but true.


People talking about him
Being a replacement further on and this and that slowing down and there is a need in the future -
Isn’t that something for the off-season to deal with, when the asking price is normally lower for a player?

What an awful take. We get a .5ppg player with 17g for spare parts that got out played and bumped down to AHL. Stick him with awful 4th line players for 7 games then give him 5 games of runway with decent chances, albeit no production, before sitting him over Highmore and Gaudette and Hamonic who have been terrible all year? Gaudette has been absolute diarrhea for 25 games and you see him as better, what are you watching?

I don’t understand the reaction from many Sens fans that this was some mistake. He has under performed but was thrown into challenging circumstances to say the least.

What did you expect us to pick him up for? .5ppg player for future considerations? Come on man!

 

[Manhattan]

What an awful take. We get a .5ppg player with 17g for spare parts that got out played and bumped down to AHL. Stick him with awful 4th line players for 7 games then give him 5 games of runway with decent chances, albeit no production, before sitting him over Highmore and Gaudette and Hamonic who have been terrible all year? Gaudette has been absolute diarrhea for 25 games and you see him as better, what are you watching?

I don’t understand the reaction from many Sens fans that this was some mistake. He has under performed but was thrown into challenging circumstances to say the least.

What did you expect us to pick him up for? .5ppg player for future considerations? Come on man!

An awful take is defending 13 games and one point and at the same breath calling out Gaudette that has done way more for the sens than Z.

Who in their right mind criticize a 4th liner having 16 goals and 23 points and saying he sucks?

That’s an awful take.


Why don’t you let us know where you draw your line for a bad fit if 13 games and 1 point still gives you hope for a player brought in to produce.

It’s a bad fit, period.

I never said anything about the price of
The trade and never said it was a stupid idea to try to make the team better - but this trade has not worked out so far in a Senators’ uniform, and that’s _all_ that matters.
Not what he did in the Sharks.
13 games and only one point is extremely bad, playing with Brady and Stützle - a lot of non-NHL players would get points even being on the ice with those two guys.

Also, quite ironical a bad player like Gaudette performs better and produces more in a smaller role - that’s called a good fit, no matter the player’s level.

And if Z is the best thing since sliced bread - Why didn’t he drive the fourth line and make the other “shit players” better?

Valid questions. Feelings not involved.

 

[Mr Hat]

An awful take is defending 13 games and one point and at the same breath calling out Gaudette that has done way more for the sens than Z.

Who in their right mind criticize a 4th liner having 16 goals and 23 points and saying he sucks?

That’s an awful take.


Why don’t you let us know where you draw your line for a bad fit if 13 games and 1 point still gives you hope for a player brought in to produce.

It’s a bad fit, period.

Okay dude, Gaudette is amazing. I mean his 6 points over last 40 game sample size is awesome.

According to moneypuck Zetterlund had an expected goals of 24 with SJ and 20 with us.

Gaudette is compared at 11 expected goals.

The eye test to me shows that neither player has impressed. But Gaudette is utter trash over a large sample size and Zetterlund has not finished, but chances are there over small sample size and he has a track record of production where Gaudette and Highmore get sent down to AHL for a reason. Gaudette outside of his lack of finish is he is awful at defence and weak. Zetterlund can deadlift like 600 lbs and is a beast and has a motor.

Let’s not forget Brady went 7 games with no points. And that’s top like minutes. Zetterlund has had a few games with good line mates and needs to find chemistry and soften the grip on his stick and finish like he has proven he can.

 

[aragorn]

I think this is the lineup I think we see to start the playoffs, if everyone is healthy.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Perron - Cozens - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Cousins - Gaudette - Zetterlund/Highmore - although I wish we would call up a legitimate centre from Belleville

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo/Hamonic

Ullmark - Forsberg/Merilainen

 

[PlayersLtd]

An awful take is defending 13 games and one point and at the same breath calling out Gaudette that has done way more for the sens than Z.

Who in their right mind criticize a 4th liner having 16 goals and 23 points and saying he sucks?

That’s an awful take.


Why don’t you let us know where you draw your line for a bad fit if 13 games and 1 point still gives you hope for a player brought in to produce.

It’s a bad fit, period.

I never said anything about the price of
The trade and never said it was a stupid idea to try to make the team better - but this trade has not worked out so far in a Senators’ uniform, and that’s _all_ that matters.
Not what he did in the Sharks.
13 games and only one point is extremely bad, playing with Brady and Stützle - a lot of non-NHL players would get points even being on the ice with those two guys.

Also, quite ironical a bad player like Gaudette performs better and produces more in a smaller role - that’s called a good fit, no matter the player’s level.

And if Z is the best thing since sliced bread - Why didn’t he drive the fourth line and make the other “shit players” better?

Valid questions. Feelings not involved.

Gaudette caught lightning in a bottle for the first 25 games and hasn't done anything since and you praise him.

Zetterlund has an 11 game slump on a new team but has been a .5 ppg player for most of his career and you trash him.

Talk about double standards.

One of the biggest differences between intelligent player analysis and the average fan is overreactions.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Gaudette caught lightning in a bottle for the first 25 games and hasn't done anything since and you praise him.

Zetterlund has an 11 game slump on a new team but has been a .5 ppg player for most of his career and you trash him.

Talk about double standards.

One of the biggest differences between intelligent player analysis and the average fan is overreactions.

Also that excellebt pass to Chabot for his first point showed more skill than whatever Gaudette has done this season.

 

[ottawagm]

I think this is the lineup I think we see to start the playoffs, if everyone is healthy.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Perron - Cozens - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Cousins - Gaudette - Zetterlund/Highmore - although I wish we would call up a legitimate centre from Belleville

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo/Hamonic

Ullmark - Forsberg/Merilainen

Needed a 4C at the deadline in the worst way. Traded the only alternative in Ostapchuk without getting one back.

Should put Halliday in for the last 2-3 games and see how he does.

 

[Manhattan]

Gaudette caught lightning in a bottle for the first 25 games and hasn't done anything since and you praise him.

Zetterlund has an 11 game slump on a new team but has been a .5 ppg player for most of his career and you trash him.

Talk about double standards.

One of the biggest differences between intelligent player analysis and the average fan is overreactions.

If you would read it all again, a few times, you would probably see that I don’t praise a Gaudette but I am using him as an example since he’s been the guy getting all the hate.
At least I can be honest about Gaudette making great numbers on a league minimum and limited ice time - even though he is the worst player in the league according to most of you.


Read it all again, no matter what we think of X or Y, Gaudette has done more for the team, been a good to great fit and produced in his smaller role.

That is having a wider view, aka intelligent analysis of the game - which you clearly don’t have, and your emotions and defense-mechanism triggers, it’s not necessary at all.
It’s a comparison of two player on the same team and what they have done so far as Senators.

Let’s make it easy for you:
Z has 0,076 points per game as a senators, and apparently he did not even drive the 4th line while he played there - Usually better players make lesser players better?
And on the top line and power play he has done exactly what - as a Senator?

I could compare him with Amadio, which would be more fair - but compared him to Gaudette that most people consider belonging in the AHL - But that backstabs your own theories - He’s still better in his tenure as a Senator this season than Z.


Since you brought up intelligence, I guess a bigger take won’t make you understand.
Funny how you get defensive and protect things with your feelings rather than data and proven results.


I’ll make it super easy for you, kindergarten level:

As senators player - Nothing else:
Gaudette has outperformed Z, in a way smaller role.
Gaudette has been a great fit, and Z has not been a great fit (so far).
It is good to try to make the team better at the deadline, I praise the decision and had hopes - but it has not worked out, at all.
With hockey-knowledge and not your average HF-boards comment, 13 games having only 1 assist on a pretty good team is quite bad.

By the way, you just fell off your high horse.
And about the average HF-fan intelligence, I guess it takes one to know one.
You gotta be able to have two thoughts at once when you discuss, but when you argue you only need one right, let’s leave it at that.

 

[Manhattan]

Also that excellebt pass to Chabot for his first point showed more skill than whatever Gaudette has done this season.

We are grasping at straws now….but with your political views and a username like that I guess I am not surprised.

I get it, you love Zetterlund a lot, it’s fine.
Or you’re in denial that this might be a bad fit and you hoped for more, and it’s also fine - but at what point do you draw a line? 20 games 1 point?

And, I’d take 16 goals over that ”pass of the year” every day, every year, no matter who it comes from.
Chabot joining the rush was 99% of that play and Z Played back to ”the late guy” - quite a common play to do, but you think it’s all Z.

Time to prove now, until then the burden is on Z.
Sad but true, but that’s how life works.

 

[GCK]

Quinn no way we get him for a 2nd

4.5M x 3 year offer sheet would cost a 2nd.

 

[Micklebot]

Read it all again, no matter what we think of X or Y, Gaudette has done more for the team, been a good to great fit and produced in his smaller role.

Gaudette was really clicking early in the season, credit where it's due, those first two dozen games or so he was contributing well above his pay. Since then he's been a black hole offensively and a liability defensively all while getting sheltered deployment. There's a reason he's getting 7 mins a game lately. He is currently playing awful, easily the worst player on the team in the second half of the season, and an absolute terrible fit.

Zetterlund needs to convert the way he's playing into actual points and goals, but the chances are there, 56% SCF, 59% HDCF, 1.08 xG/60, over 2 rebound chances created per 60, over 2 hits a game.

I'm not saying Zetterlund is an elite player or anything, but this feels a bit like when people were down on Duchene for not producing immediately. Hockey is like that, sometimes you don't get the bounces even when the process is good.

 

[Big Muddy]

Gaudette caught lightning in a bottle for the first 25 games and hasn't done anything since and you praise him.

Zetterlund has an 11 game slump on a new team but has been a .5 ppg player for most of his career and you trash him.

Talk about double standards.

One of the biggest differences between intelligent player analysis and the average fan is overreactions.

After looking up his stats, he’s played 13 games with the Senators and has 1 point. I think he has played 7 or 8 games further up than the 4th line. You can see that discussion between myself and Sens of Anarchy on the previous page (post #s 666 to 669).

I’m only reflecting on the stats versus making a comment on the player. I’ve stated before that I am not rushing to make judgements at this point.

I will say that he does need to step up his point production at some point, and hopefully soon.

 

[bert]

$3.5-$4M seems like far too much.
I hope he signs a contract for 3 years at a decent AAV of up to $3M which would be double what he is making now. So far he has not done much as a Senator to prove he is worth more.

Caps going to be 110 million in 2 to 3 years. He scores at a 20 goal pace. Thats not very much money. He is also a good two way player. Finishes all his checks. The goals are going to go in. It takes time. Everyone here hated Amadio and Perron at the start too.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

4.5M x 3 year offer sheet would cost a 2nd.

 

[Big Muddy]

Caps going to be 110 million in 2 to 3 years. He scores at a 20 goal pace. Thats not very much money. He is also a good two way player. Finishes all his checks. The goals are going to go in. It takes time. Everyone here hated Amadio and Perron at the start too.

He has 7 games to score 3 goals to reach the 20 goal mark this year. That seems feasible at least & let’s hope he achieves that milestone.

 

[Mr Hat]

If you would read it all again, a few times, you would probably see that I don’t praise a Gaudette but I am using him as an example since he’s been the guy getting all the hate.
At least I can be honest about Gaudette making great numbers on a league minimum and limited ice time - even though he is the worst player in the league according to most of you.


Read it all again, no matter what we think of X or Y, Gaudette has done more for the team, been a good to great fit and produced in his smaller role.

That is having a wider view, aka intelligent analysis of the game - which you clearly don’t have, and your emotions and defense-mechanism triggers, it’s not necessary at all.
It’s a comparison of two player on the same team and what they have done so far as Senators.

Let’s make it easy for you:
Z has 0,076 points per game as a senators, and apparently he did not even drive the 4th line while he played there - Usually better players make lesser players better?
And on the top line and power play he has done exactly what - as a Senator?

I could compare him with Amadio, which would be more fair - but compared him to Gaudette that most people consider belonging in the AHL - But that backstabs your own theories - He’s still better in his tenure as a Senator this season than Z.


Since you brought up intelligence, I guess a bigger take won’t make you understand.
Funny how you get defensive and protect things with your feelings rather than data and proven results.


I’ll make it super easy for you, kindergarten level:

As senators player - Nothing else:
Gaudette has outperformed Z, in a way smaller role.
Gaudette has been a great fit, and Z has not been a great fit (so far).
It is good to try to make the team better at the deadline, I praise the decision and had hopes - but it has not worked out, at all.
With hockey-knowledge and not your average HF-boards comment, 13 games having only 1 assist on a pretty good team is quite bad.

By the way, you just fell off your high horse.
And about the average HF-fan intelligence, I guess it takes one to know one.
You gotta be able to have two thoughts at once when you discuss, but when you argue you only need one right, let’s leave it at that.

You know that Gaudette has only 1 point in his last 13 games, right? 8 shots on net and has been the biggest liability defensively besides maybe Hamonic.

He is a great fit… for the press box. He is a replacement level player, Zetterlund is playing on every team in the league.

Zetterlund has not played good, but still outperformed Gaudette since his arrival AINEC. Even stubborn Green who gave Gaudette and Highmore way more rope than they deserved agree or else why is Gaudette playing 6-7 min vs 16+ for Zetterlund? Is Green kindergarten knowledge too?

 

[bert]

Alot of posters really need to take a step back and realize getting traded into a new team is not easy especially for inexperienced players. Even more so for euros.

You literally all got to witness it this year with Amadio and Perron... Both had slow starts... Now look at them. Players don't just lose it or forget how to play. It will come for Zetterlund.

 

[DrEasy]

4.5M x 3 year offer sheet would cost a 2nd.

This seems like a no-brainer, especially with the cap going up! Are they going to re-adjust the offer sheet amounts based on the new cap?

 

[Golden_Jet]

This seems like a no-brainer, especially with the cap going up! Are they going to re-adjust the offer sheet amounts based on the new cap?

Yes they do that every year it goes up.

 

[aragorn]

Needed a 4C at the deadline in the worst way. Traded the only alternative in Ostapchuk without getting one back.

Should put Halliday in for the last 2-3 games and see how he does.

I advocated for Michael McCaron C/RW who would be a good mentor for Halliday on the same 4th line & plus he can also play the enforcer given how big he is & has played that role with the teams he has played for.

 

[Manhattan]

You know that Gaudette has only 1 point in his last 13 games, right? 8 shots on net and has been the biggest liability defensively besides maybe Hamonic.

He is a great fit… for the press box. He is a replacement level player, Zetterlund is playing on every team in the league.

Zetterlund has not played good, but still outperformed Gaudette since his arrival AINEC. Even stubborn Green who gave Gaudette and Highmore way more rope than they deserved agree or else why is Gaudette playing 6-7 min vs 16+ for Zetterlund? Is Green kindergarten knowledge too?

Another ”where the sun don’t shine”-take from you.

The coaching staff is Trying to kick start Z, rightfully so, but it is coming to, or actually already has come to a breaking point where you dish out freebies to certain players that will effect the morale of the group that does not get the freebies but yet performs.

Have you ever thought how many points Amadio or Gaudette would have if they got Z minutes and play some games With #18 & 7? And add a little PP time…

Clearly not.
And that’s what differs us.

 

[xVol]

I am from the future - Zetterlund is going to score tomorrow

 

[GCK]

This seems like a no-brainer, especially with the cap going up! Are they going to re-adjust the offer sheet amounts based on the new cap?

The thresholds are adjusted.

 

[Mr Hat]

Another ”where the sun don’t shine”-take from you.

The coaching staff is Trying to kick start Z, rightfully so, but it is coming to, or actually already has come to a breaking point where you dish out freebies to certain players that will effect the morale of the group that does not get the freebies but yet performs.

Have you ever thought how many points Amadio or Gaudette would have if they got Z minutes and play some games With #18 & 7? And add a little PP time…

Clearly not.
And that’s what differs us.

Yes if only Amadio got the minutes Z did!

Oh wait, last 14 games since Zetterlund has been here their TOI over that span is 7 seconds different. 189:04 vs 188:57. Zetterlund has had very few looks on the PP.

So sorry, who’s got the bad take again?

Amadio has great chemistry with his line and that chemistry wasn’t built overnight. And Amadio has been great and is a solid two way player. So please don’t use his name in the same sentence as Gaudette it’s insulting to him.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Telling you. He’s waiting for Game 82 to score and that hot streak will extend into the playoffs, just like Bobby Ryan in 2017.