Fabian Zetterlund traded to Ottawa

[SlapJack]

There’s absolutely zero case to be made that Greig is better than Zetterlund.

That's 100% incorrect

 

[Ozakar]

That's 100% incorrect

Ok so what’s your case then?

 

[DueDiligence]

Zetterlund played well last night. He's a little snakebit right now but when he gets one goal quite a few more will follow.

 

[SlapJack]

Ok so what’s your case then?

Why am I building a case when you didn't?

 

[armani]

Zetterlund looks to be building chemistry with Tkachuk and Stutzle, needs to finish on his chances like Stutzle needs to as well. Crash the net and score ugly goals.

This is not the finished product we are seeing, he has time to gel and be productive to make the season longer.

 

[Ozakar]

Why am I building a case when you didn't?

I’m not building a case because I am not the one that stated Grieg is a better player than Zetterlund. You made the statement, the burden of proof is on you.

 

[SlapJack]

I’m not building a case because I am not the one that stated Grieg is a better player than Zetterlund. You made the statement, the burden of proof is on you.

Guess there's no point then because it'll be a colossal waste of my time

 

[Ozakar]

Guess there's no point then because it'll be a colossal waste of my time

I see so discussion is a waste of time on an online board.

 

[jbeck5]

There’s absolutely zero case to be made that Greig is better than Zetterlund.

You technically have to prove that...or else anyone can say anything without backing it up.

But good luck trying to prove a negative.

You're better off turning the phrase around as a positive and then trying to make that case.

It's like an atheist trying to make the case that there is no god. That's very hard or impossible. It's much easier to just make the case that they haven't met their burden of proof. So you don't say "there is no god", you say "I don't believe you when you say there is a god, can you make a good case to convince me?"

So in this case, you should wait for someone to say Greig is better and then say "I don't believe you. Make your case"

But what you did was try to make a "there is no god" argument by saying "there is no way Greig is better" in which case you have to back that up.

 

[MiscBrah]

You technically have to prove that...or else anyone can say anything without backing it up.

But good luck trying to prove a negative.

You're better off turning the phrase around as a positive and then trying to make that case.

It's like an atheist trying to make the case that there is no god. That's very hard or impossible. It's much easier to just make the case that they haven't met their burden of proof. So you don't say "there is no god", you say "I don't believe you when you say there is a god, can you make a good case to convince me?"

So in this case, you should wait for someone to say Greig is better and then say "I don't believe you. Make your case"

But what you did was try to make a "there is no god" argument by saying "there is no way Greig is better" in which case you have to back that up.

Slow day at work?

 

[Ozakar]

You technically have to prove that...or else anyone can say anything without backing it up.

But good luck trying to prove a negative.

You're better off turning the phrase around as a positive and then trying to make that case.

It's like an atheist trying to make the case that there is no god. That's very hard or impossible. It's much easier to just make the case that they haven't met their burden of proof. So you don't say "there is no god", you say "I don't believe you when you say there is a god, can you make a good case to convince me?"

So in this case, you should wait for someone to say Greig is better and then say "I don't believe you. Make your case"

But what you did was try to make a "there is no god" argument by saying "there is no way Greig is better" in which case you have to back that up.

Well got me on that one. But based on a few key stats I think it’s unlikely Greig is the better player. However I won’t go so far as to say there’s absolutely no way he isn’t since as you say it’s logically impossible to prove.

Games played
Zetterlund 72
Greig 67

Goals
Zetterlund 17
Greig 11

Assists
Zetterlund 19
Greig 15

Points
Zetterlund 36
Greig 26

Plus/minus
Zetterlund 7
Greig -14

PIM
Zetterlund 12
Greig 54

TOI
Zetterlund 16:58
Greig 16:48

Shots
Zetterlund 153
Greig 95

Shot percentage
Zetterlund 12 %
Greig 11.6 %

Hits
Zetterlund 133
Greig 123

Blocked shots
Zetterlund 70
Greig 39

Face offs
Zetterlund 60 % win
Greig 53.4 % win

Source: quanthockey

 

[jbeck5]

Slow day at work?

Who works at this hour.

 

[SlapJack]

How about Grieg since Feb 1st:
Only forward with more ice time is Stutzle
Only forward to take more face offs is Giroux
Leads team in defensive zone face-offs
Running over 55 or 56% on the dot over that time
First guy out to kill penalties
First guy out to shut down other teams top players
Great IQ, tenacious, good at everything (not elite at anything, just really good)

Zetterlund since he's got here:
...
Made embarrassing play in Buffalo where a 170lb teenager got by him easily along the boards to set up Thompson for the game winning goal.

I do like Zetterlund and think he's a good add that'll use his body and pot some goals, and of course there's going to be an adjustment period before he gets acclimated. Same thing happened when he joined San Jose. But I'll take an all situations guy that's also still improving every time. And I think Travis Green might agree given how he's been deploying him.

Spewing off stats like comparing their face off percentages is absolutely useless without any context. Zetterlund has taken 10 face offs all YEAR. Grieg has been doing that most nights lately in key moments of the game.

Time to list all the Zetterlund achievements please

 

[GoodinOsgoode]

It's certainly been a tough start for Zetterlund in Ottawa but he seems to be slowly getting a little more involved every game and we are seeing glimpses of what he can be. Part of the struggle might be going from the 4th line directly to the 1st line. I would have to think that might be tough for anyone. I think that the hot start that Cozens has had also reflects poorly on Zetterlund in some ways.

I really liked the fact that they brought him on because there was a big need for another winger, who could play in the top-6. Overall, it simply gives us more options and more depth. I think that some players just need the time to adapt to a new setting and he now is probably feeling pressure to make things happen and that is not really where you want a player to be at. Scoring a goal will go a long way to set him at ease and get some confidence going forward.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I’m watching Berube switch uo his pines in-game after his fourth line gets caved in. Who knew coaches can do that?

Where else are gonna put highmore and gaudette

 

[Boud]

How about Grieg since Feb 1st:
Only forward with more ice time is Stutzle
Only forward to take more face offs is Giroux
Leads team in defensive zone face-offs
Running over 55 or 56% on the dot over that time
First guy out to kill penalties
First guy out to shut down other teams top players
Great IQ, tenacious, good at everything (not elite at anything, just really good)

Zetterlund since he's got here:
...
Made embarrassing play in Buffalo where a 170lb teenager got by him easily along the boards to set up Thompson for the game winning goal.

I do like Zetterlund and think he's a good add that'll use his body and pot some goals, and of course there's going to be an adjustment period before he gets acclimated. Same thing happened when he joined San Jose. But I'll take an all situations guy that's also still improving every time. And I think Travis Green might agree given how he's been deploying him.

Spewing off stats like comparing their face off percentages is absolutely useless without any context. Zetterlund has taken 10 face offs all YEAR. Grieg has been doing that most nights lately in key moments of the game.

Time to list all the Zetterlund achievements please

Greig is better than Zetterlund in about every way possible other than his shot.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Zetterlund was everywhere. He is going to be a 30 goal scorer with Stutzle.

The most impressive part of his game was how he handled the forecheck and was a beast on the puck.

 

[Crosside]

Bowling Ball does not make much strike

 

[Ozakar]

How about Grieg since Feb 1st:
Only forward with more ice time is Stutzle
Only forward to take more face offs is Giroux
Leads team in defensive zone face-offs
Running over 55 or 56% on the dot over that time
First guy out to kill penalties
First guy out to shut down other teams top players
Great IQ, tenacious, good at everything (not elite at anything, just really good)

Zetterlund since he's got here:
...
Made embarrassing play in Buffalo where a 170lb teenager got by him easily along the boards to set up Thompson for the game winning goal.

I do like Zetterlund and think he's a good add that'll use his body and pot some goals, and of course there's going to be an adjustment period before he gets acclimated. Same thing happened when he joined San Jose. But I'll take an all situations guy that's also still improving every time. And I think Travis Green might agree given how he's been deploying him.

Spewing off stats like comparing their face off percentages is absolutely useless without any context. Zetterlund has taken 10 face offs all YEAR. Grieg has been doing that most nights lately in key moments of the game.

Time to list all the Zetterlund achievements please

I am unsure as to why you are adressing me without quoting my post since I will not be notified of your response.

This suggests you are actually avoiding me because you are not comfortable discussing the statistics I have presented.

If you are addressing me in the future kindly quote my post so I am notified of your reply. Thank you.

The statistics I have posted are the most basic and fundamental stats and pretty much the only stats presented by quanthockey. You can check for yourself.

Zetterlund have taken 50 face offs this season with a 60 % win percentage. I don’t know where you got 10 from.

The rest of your post is more or less ”well that’s just like you’re opinion, man” I get enough of that from my wife. How is a player supposed to achieve something you appreciate when he’s just joined the team? So illogical.

 

[Big Muddy]

I just hope Zetterlund starts finding the back of the net, but I’d make that same comment for the top line in general, at least lately. It's going to be important imho for the top line to be humming along at a high level for the rest of the regular season & playoffs (hopefully).

 

[BigRig4]

Zetterlund was everywhere. He is going to be a 30 goal scorer with Stutzle.

The most impressive part of his game was how he handled the forecheck and was a beast on the puck.

Yeah the process is there. Just gotta patient and wait for the scoring chances to start going in. His previous production suggests they will eventually.

 

[SlapJack]

I am unsure as to why you are adressing me without quoting my post since I will not be notified of your response.

This suggests you are actually avoiding me because you are not comfortable discussing the statistics I have presented.

If you are addressing me in the future kindly quote my post so I am notified of your reply. Thank you.

The statistics I have posted are the most basic and fundamental stats and pretty much the only stats presented by quanthockey. You can check for yourself.

Zetterlund have taken 50 face offs this season with a 60 % win percentage. I don’t know where you got 10 from.

The rest of your post is more or less ”well that’s just like you’re opinion, man” I get enough of that from my wife. How is a player supposed to achieve something you appreciate when he’s just joined the team? So illogical.

My original point stands where there was little reason to engage in a discussion regarding this with you. Try watching hockey instead of simply posting stats you copied/pasted from the internet. If you have some actual insight about Zetterlund's game vs Grieg's, that would be a different story, but you've only offered statistics mostly accumulated on a team that doesn't matter right now. I guess next we'll be hearing how Tyler Toffoli is a better goal scorer then Connor Bedard

 

[NyQuil]

I can see that he's working hard but not a lot is resulting from it.

 

[Micklebot]

I can see that he's working hard but not a lot is resulting from it.

First 6 games, that's understandable given he was playing on the 4th line

Last two games, he has 7 sog, 12 shot attempts, 9 scoring chances and 5 HD scoring chances.

Now, you can certainly still say that's still not a lot of results since we care about goals, and he's got none, but as the famous quote goes, nothing wins fights like throwing punches,

I think the flood gates will eventually open up, and a lot of the dialogue around him will change. The process is good, just need to let the sample size catch up,

 

[NyQuil]

First 6 games, that's understandable given he was playing on the 4th line

Last two games, he has 7 sog, 12 shot attempts, 9 scoring chances and 5 HD scoring chances.

Now, you can certainly still say that's still not a lot of results since we care about goals, and he's got none, but as the famous quote goes, nothing wins fights like throwing punches,

I think the flood gates will eventually open up, and a lot of the dialogue around him will change. The process is good, just need to let the sample size catch up,

Maybe, or maybe we just saw his best effort.

I guess we'll find out.