GDT: FA Frenzy time ladies and gents (for everyone else that is)

[Svechhammer]

Brutal quote, and I think a bit out of context, but still...

Reporter: "So Johnny, why Columbus"

Gaudreau: "Well, shit as long as it wasn't Calgary I didn't give a f***."

 

[chaz4hockey]

If I had to guess going into next year

Svechnikov - Aho - Teravainen
Pachoretty - Kotkaniemi - Jarvis
Kase / _____ - Staal - Fast
Martinook - Drury - Kase / ____ / Noesen

Slavin - Burns
Skjei - Pesce
Gardiner - Chatfield / Coghlan

Andersen
Raanta

Top 6 will be interchangeable. If we get Necas back, I think he probably slots into the 4th line until he proves himself with Kase playing alongside Staal and Fast. I do not see him cracking the top 6 until he shows with his play that he deserves it, not with the players we have already in the fold.

At some point, Staal should be our 4C with important face off/end game responsibilities.

Probably won’t happen but swapping Drury and Jordan to 3C/4C with:
Kase-Drury-Necas as 3 (great speed) &
tbd-Staal-fast as 4 (not a martinook fan but if we had to pencil him in so be it)

Could be a better line mix.

 

[Svechhammer]

At some point, Staal should be our 4C with important face off/end game responsibilities.

Probably won’t happen but swapping Drury and Jordan to 3C/4C with:
Kase-Drury-Necas as 3 (great speed) &
tbd-Staal-fast as 4 (not a martinook fan but if we had to pencil him in so be it)

Could be a better line mix.

I mean assuming Necas is back, I agree.

At the same time, our coach is Brindy, so we know that's not happening. Maybe next year after Jordo's contract is up, but definitely not this year.

 

[DaveG]

I don't even think Tulsky does too much on the talent assessment EXCEPT for the data side of things. Darren Yorke and his scouting team are the ones that actually do the pro and amateur scouting and have the eyes on the players. That's the thing about organizations that have multiple eyes and brains at the top of the chain. The funny thing is that such a structure is the norm in baseball these days but an outlier in other sports.

I mean that's the idea with analytics to begin with. Use them to confirm what the eye test is showing or to find spots that may be being missed.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Probably won’t happen but swapping Drury and Jordan to 3C/4C with:
Kase-Drury-Necas as 3 (great speed) &
tbd-Staal-fast as 4 (not a martinook fan but if we had to pencil him in so be it)

Could be a better line mix.

Was about to type out my preferred lines but you got at the heart of it right here. Staal "having" to be the 3C really derails the chemistry. Have Staal be a pure shutdown with Fast and a 4th line type (really test RBA's honesty when he says "we don't number our lines") and then feed him PK time like crazy - he'll still get his ice time. Meanwhile, Drury gets a more pleasant welcome to the league surrounded by linemates that more closely fit the style of play we will expect from him. Plus, no square pegs in round holes when it comes to filling that LW spot with Staal. Nordstrom/Staal/Nesty 2.0.

 

[Svechhammer]

Was about to type out my preferred lines but you got at the heart of it right here. Staal "having" to be the 3C really derails the chemistry. Have Staal be a pure shutdown with Fast and a 4th line type (really test RBA's honesty when he says "we don't number our lines") and then feed him PK time like crazy - he'll still get his ice time. Meanwhile, Drury gets a more pleasant welcome to the league surrounded by linemates that more closely fit the style of play we will expect from him. Plus, no square pegs in round holes when it comes to filling that LW spot with Staal. Nordstrom/Staal/Nesty 2.0.

Martinook on Jordo's line opening up Kase to play on Drury's line to effectively make 3 scoring lines and one defensive shutdown line is absolutely the way to go here. Even if you want to appeal to Brindy and say the lines are as follows:

Svech - Aho - Jarvis
Patches - KK - Turbo
Martinook - Staal - Fast
Kase - Drury - ____ (Necas?)

We do that and I'm not worried about bringing back Nino.

 

[NotOpie]

I’d question that he ever was really that guy even when he was getting points. He’s an amazing third center, period. We definitely have second and third lines no matter the semantics. A defensive matchup line and an offensive line that plays as much as they can get them out there. Rod likes the defensive matchups so he plays the third a ton but that’s what they are. They’re the checking third line. There’s not much offensive expectation. Grind the other team. Worked amazing all season and then was pretty non existent in the playoffs. I don’t remember many shifts where the Staal/Fast/Nino line spent the whole shift grinding away in the post season, teams got away from them.

I agree with the quote that we ground Boston down in our home games....and did the same, to a certain extent to the Rangers in home games.

When we dominated was when the Staal like pinned teams top lines in their D zone/our O zone. To my untrained eyes, it appears that the "grind" was one of the most effective cycles I'd seen in a while, usually leading to somebody popping free for a great chance. I'm kind of fascinated with a Necas/Staal/Fast line (assuming Marty can play his off hand), but Marty frankly sucks in the cycle. So if that were a line, they'd likely need a differing offensive strategy/plan.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I still won't be surprised if they move on from Necas if they can't figure out the contract. And if they do, I wonder if it's for a young LD. I know our defense wasn't so filled out then, but it was rumored they might look at moving him for the right dman. Get a good young LD that's either ready or right on the cusp of ready and waiver exempt and either plug him into the third pair (even if they don't move Gardiner, I don't think they'd be afraid to scratch him) or have him available if Gardiner fails. It might also set them up for moving on from Skjei in the next year or two. We also know that they like to acquire dmen. And it might also help with the sudden RW logjam.

I won't be surprised if they keep him, but I just think that if they move on, a young dman might be the play.

 

[raynman]

I still won't be surprised if they move on from Necas if they can't figure out the contract. And if they do, I wonder if it's for a young LD. I know our defense wasn't so filled out then, but it was rumored they might look at moving him for the right dman. Get a good young LD that's either ready or right on the cusp of ready and waiver exempt and either plug him into the third pair (even if they don't move Gardiner, I don't think they'd be afraid to scratch him) or have him available if Gardiner fails. It might also set them up for moving on from Skjei in the next year or two. We also know that they like to acquire dmen. And it might also help with the sudden RW logjam.

I won't be surprised if they keep him, but I just think that if they move on, a young dman might be the play.

Super wishful thinking and I know it’d never happen but imagine if they managed to get Chychrun out of Arizona and put him on the 3rd pair in an effort to get him ready to take Skjei’s spot

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I still won't be surprised if they move on from Necas if they can't figure out the contract. And if they do, I wonder if it's for a young LD. I know our defense wasn't so filled out then, but it was rumored they might look at moving him for the right dman. Get a good young LD that's either ready or right on the cusp of ready and waiver exempt and either plug him into the third pair (even if they don't move Gardiner, I don't think they'd be afraid to scratch him) or have him available if Gardiner fails. It might also set them up for moving on from Skjei in the next year or two. We also know that they like to acquire dmen. And it might also help with the sudden RW logjam.

I won't be surprised if they keep him, but I just think that if they move on, a young dman might be the play.

If we wanted to go real big, we could do Gardiner + Necas +++ for Chychrun still. Arizona has no reason not to take the money back, they need to hit the floor. We could sweeten the pot to make it interesting for them. I don't know that we have enough +++ in the org that's not currently on the roster to make it make sense for both teams though.

Super wishful thinking and I know it’d never happen but imagine if they managed to get Chychrun out of Arizona and put him on the 3rd pair in an effort to get him ready to take Skjei’s spot

Ha - jinx!

 

[NotOpie]

Martinook on Jordo's line opening up Kase to play on Drury's line to effectively make 3 scoring lines and one defensive shutdown line is absolutely the way to go here. Even if you want to appeal to Brindy and say the lines are as follows:

Svech - Aho - Jarvis
Patches - KK - Turbo
Martinook - Staal - Fast
Kase - Drury - ____ (Necas?)

We do that and I'm not worried about bringing back Nino.

I like that idea of getting Drury some slightly more offensive wings. If they then played those guys 11-12 minutes a night, it seemingly would add some offensive pop.

I also prefer running the SAT line and put Jarvis with Pacioretty and Kotkaniemi. But that's just me.....

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

knowing Staal had tied for the most ES time as a center. I don’t see him even becoming the 3C next season in ice time, needless to say 4C.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I mean that's the idea with analytics to begin with. Use them to confirm what the eye test is showing or to find spots that may be being missed.

Well yes, however, my statement is that the eyes tend to be more important than the data in the sports world. The data does act as a different sort of perspective, however, and may lead to an organization gravitating towards players that other teams may not.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If we wanted to go real big, we could do Gardiner + Necas +++ for Chychrun still. Arizona has no reason not to take the money back, they need to hit the floor. We could sweeten the pot to make it interesting for them. I don't know that we have enough +++ in the org that's not currently on the roster to make it make sense for both teams though.



Ha - jinx!

Arizona is only 600k from the floor with 2 RFAs to sign

 

[Unsustainable]

So we are down to figuring out where our top 6 players that we don’t have room for in the top 6 will be playing.

 

[Svechhammer]

Super wishful thinking and I know it’d never happen but imagine if they managed to get Chychrun out of Arizona and put him on the 3rd pair in an effort to get him ready to take Skjei’s spot

If we wanted to go real big, we could do Gardiner + Necas +++ for Chychrun still. Arizona has no reason not to take the money back, they need to hit the floor. We could sweeten the pot to make it interesting for them. I don't know that we have enough +++ in the org that's not currently on the roster to make it make sense for both teams though.

If we could make that happen, and stash Chychrun on the 3rd line to play alongside of Chatfield or Coghlin... I mean that would be a sign that we're all in on winning this year... just, you know, without sacrificing any major aspect of the future to make it happen.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I could see the Chychrun thing, but a smaller one for one or we get an extra asset with the damn is what seems more likely to me if it happens. I don't have anyone in mind in that scenario, just the concept wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I don’t remember many shifts where the Staal/Fast/Nino line spent the whole shift grinding away in the post season, teams got away from them

Which is why the meta moved away from 2 scoring lines 1 checking line, if the home team gets matchups and can get their big guns away from the checking line then even with home ice advantage throughout 2-3 games out of a best of 7 series sees drastically reduced the effectiveness of the line.

Anyway i hope they either 1) launch gardiner into orbit (sorry jake) and re sign Necas and Nino or 2) necas + gardiner ++ for chychrun.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Does anyone here think there is a remote possibility of the Canes signing Kadri somehow? They were rooting for that today on the Sirius/XM hockey channel.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Does anyone here think there is a remote possibility of the Canes signing Kadri somehow? They were rooting for that today on the Sirius/XM hockey channel.

Is he taking a 1 year 6 million deal? Sure then. We trade Gardiner and Martinook to make it happen. Anything else, nah

 

[A Star is Burns]

Does anyone here think there is a remote possibility of the Canes signing Kadri somehow? They were rooting for that today on the Sirius/XM hockey channel.

Virtually none

 

[MinJaBen]

Super wishful thinking and I know it’d never happen but imagine if they managed to get Chychrun out of Arizona and put him on the 3rd pair in an effort to get him ready to take Skjei’s spot

Given the assets it would take to get him, he better damn well be ready to take that spot right now.

I'd rather use the assets in a Necas++ trade to bring in another forward, not a guy for our 3rd pairing.

 

[Lempo]

My god the Hab fan on mb Pacioretty thread. the pain is real.

 

[raynman]

Given the assets it would take to get him, he better damn well be ready to take that spot right now.

I'd rather use the assets in a Necas++ trade to bring in another forward, not a guy for our 3rd pairing.

He’d be taking Brady’s spot when he’s invariably traded or let go when his contract expires. The dude is young and hasn’t played for a good team yet. Break him in softly and with love so that he sticks around unlike cole

 

[Francis10]

Svech - Aho - Jarvis (offensive firepower)
Patches - KK - TT (Turbo sets up Patches while KK screens/crashes)
Necas - Staal - Fast (Staal/Fast handle defensive responsibilities/netfront while Necas dangles/dishes?)
MartyParty - Drury - Kase (who the **** know?, mishmash)

Really like the looks of those lines.