F Trevor Daley - Florida Alliance Elite 14U AAA, 14U AAA (2027 Draft)

[WarriorofTime]

Well yes. If the few internet sources were so reliable, they would have talked about these guys when they were in Bantam.

lol, the NHL Draft doesn't even get it right a lot of the time and you expect 14 year old rankings to be perfect?

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

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They have the 4th hardest schedule in the country

THANKS. That's a excellent source.

lol, the NHL Draft doesn't even get it right a lot of the time and you expect 14 year old rankings to be perfect?

No, I claim that it is impossible to scout an entire generation of American players and that the self-proclaimed specialists are only internet amateurs.

I made the effort to count the points of the Florida players.

22 points in 18 games recorded on the site at 15 years old in Bantam, tied with a teammate.

I'd be surprised if Daley is the best player in the country.

 

[bigdog16]

THANKS. That's a excellent source.

No, I claim that it is impossible to scout an entire generation of American players and that the self-proclaimed specialists are only internet amateurs.

I made the effort to count the points of the Florida players.

22 points in 18 games recorded on the site at 15 years old in Bantam, tied with a teammate.

I'd be surprised if Daley is the best player in the country.

No one here is claiming to be a scouting specialist. These kids are 14/15 years old. Are you claiming you are more than an internet amateur?

Daley isn't the best but he is near the top and has been for a while. It is early but this 09 class of Americans is really strong.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

No one here is claiming to be a scouting specialist. These kids are 14/15 years old. Are you claiming you are more than an internet amateur?

Daley isn't the best but he is near the top and has been for a while. It is early but this 09 class of Americans is really strong.

If you read correctly, these are not users of the site that I am targeting.

I already said it a few years ago, I played 10 years in the Magnus League.

In the sample I have, he is at the 40th PPG level among the players listed on EP. There are only 6 American forwards per year who have a solid NHL career.

 

[bigdog16]

If you read correctly, these are not users of the site that I am targeting.

I already said it a few years ago, I played 10 years in the Magnus League.

In the sample I have, he is at the 40th PPG level among the players listed on EP. There are only 6 American forwards per year who have a solid NHL career.

It is irrelevant to compare PPG because not every player plays against the same teams/schedule

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

It is irrelevant to compare PPG because not every player plays against the same teams/schedule

I've already said it but the gap is much too big with the best. A teammate (Alex Milojevic) has the same production as him. So clearly not an elite talent on an American scale.

At this stage, a very good player like many others. Not enough to make him a bantam star. Like Pominville.

Each time, there are big gaps between the analyzes of self-proclaimed specialists and the selections of USDP scouts. These people may be right this time, but they have repeatedly been wrong in the past.

 

[Oak]

I've already said it but the gap is much too big with the best. A teammate (Alex Milojevic) has the same production as him. So clearly not an elite talent on an American scale.

At this stage, a very good player like many others. Not enough to make him a bantam star. Like Pominville.

Each time, there are big gaps between the analyzes of self-proclaimed specialists and the selections of USDP scouts. These people may be right this time, but they have repeatedly been wrong in the pas

The famous analyzes of U15 matches that no one watches. Even when it's visible like the end of year tournament, the cameras are disgusting.

If it's a Florida team, the level of play is much lower than in the Lakes and Northeast. I saw many players playing in California at this age, having great statistics, becoming nothing because the level on the West Coast is not very high.

It is even weaker in the South-East.

Chase Allen is nothing. He's just a young guy who's bored and invents a life as a scout on a website.

Even an actual Scout can't compare all US prospects to each other. USDP has guys missioned in regions to detect the best players in the region but setting a hierarchy is impossible. And again, they are probably focused on the class of 2008.

The nice thing is to know that Trevor Daley has a son who is doing well in Bantam South East US.

You are correct in everything you said except that Florida Alliance plays weak comp. They probably travel more than any other team in the US and they do play the top competition so you can make somewhat fair comparisons.

The problem is hobbyist guys who charge naive parents money so their kid is listed on a website. When people start believing their opinion on anything that is a problem. Reality is he found a niche to make money off of crazy hockey parents who all think their kids are NHL bound.

Hfboards is not a true scouting arena, most people on here are hobbyists or pumping their favorites for whatever reason, but to see people using puckpreps as a valid source for rankings of kids who haven't hit puberty yet something must be said.

Then again no amount of reasoning will change it because I wouldn't be surprised if posters on here work for said pumping sites to further make their opinions seem validated.

 

[bigdog16]

I've already said it but the gap is much too big with the best. A teammate (Alex Milojevic) has the same production as him. So clearly not an elite talent on an American scale.

At this stage, a very good player like many others. Not enough to make him a bantam star. Like Pominville.

Each time, there are big gaps between the analyzes of self-proclaimed specialists and the selections of USDP scouts. These people may be right this time, but they have repeatedly been wrong in the past.

And Milojevich is another top player in the country. I know its a couple years off, but if the NTDP team was picked tomorrow both of them would undoubtedly be on it.

 

[Corso]

You are correct in everything you said except that Florida Alliance plays weak comp. They probably travel more than any other team in the US and they do play the top competition so you can make somewhat fair comparisons.

The problem is hobbyist guys who charge naive parents money so their kid is listed on a website. When people start believing their opinion on anything that is a problem. Reality is he found a niche to make money off of crazy hockey parents who all think their kids are NHL bound.

Hfboards is not a true scouting arena, most people on here are hobbyists or pumping their favorites for whatever reason, but to see people using puckpreps as a valid source for rankings of kids who haven't hit puberty yet something must be said.

Then again no amount of reasoning will change it because I wouldn't be surprised if posters on here work for said pumping sites to further make their opinions seem validated.

I am not all that familiar with PuckPreps but from what I've read from them (small sample) they seem to give honest opinions on players. There use to be another scouting service out of Canada I believe that did exactly what you claim, pump up players so that overzealous parents would lap it up and shell out money on its (dubious) product. PuckPreps does not seem to be that type of service.

NeutralZone (again not a subscriber) seems to be top notch and very professional. I would also trust their evaluations as well.

 

[Oak]

I am not all that familiar with PuckPreps but from what I've read from them (small sample) they seem to give honest opinions on players. There use to be another scouting service out of Canada I believe that did exactly what you claim, pump up players so that overzealous parents would lap it up and shell out money on its (dubious) product. PuckPreps does not seem to be that type of service.

NeutralZone (again not a subscriber) seems to be top notch and very professional. I would also trust their evaluations as well.

We can talk somewhere else about my negative opinions on the paid scouting services, but they are just another arm of the big money machine that youth hockey has become. A lot of people who failed at chasing their hockey dreams are making very sizable money right now preying on oblivious parents.

I don't want to clog up Trevors thread any more with things that have nothing to do with him. Good luck to Trevor Daley in his journey to the top. Kid should definitely be in the mix for a ntdp spot with his playing ability and nhl bloodline.

 

[Trojans86]

I've already said it but the gap is much too big with the best. A teammate (Alex Milojevic) has the same production as him. So clearly not an elite talent on an American scale.

At this stage, a very good player like many others. Not enough to make him a bantam star. Like Pominville.

Each time, there are big gaps between the analyzes of self-proclaimed specialists and the selections of USDP scouts. These people may be right this time, but they have repeatedly been wrong in the past.

Just fyi, Milo has long been considered a top kid in the country. A few years ago he was probably considered #1 but part of that was he was just bigger than everyone else. The top teams pretty much only play in tournaments with other top teams because otherwise it would be a waste of money to travel so these kids know each other and have played against each other since they were 7. Puberty throws a wrench in things but the talent level hasn’t changed that much over the last 5 years. There’s a lot of kids that are very close and who makes it will have a lot to do with who ends up with the best physical tools and that’s really hard to say at this point.

 

[William H Bonney]

You are correct in everything you said except that Florida Alliance plays weak comp. They probably travel more than any other team in the US and they do play the top competition so you can make somewhat fair comparisons.

The problem is hobbyist guys who charge naive parents money so their kid is listed on a website. When people start believing their opinion on anything that is a problem. Reality is he found a niche to make money off of crazy hockey parents who all think their kids are NHL bound.

Hfboards is not a true scouting arena, most people on here are hobbyists or pumping their favorites for whatever reason, but to see people using puckpreps as a valid source for rankings of kids who haven't hit puberty yet something must be said.

Then again no amount of reasoning will change it because I wouldn't be surprised if posters on here work for said pumping sites to further make their opinions seem validated.

Maybe it's your tone and approach that are the problem? And not just in this thread.

I don't disagree with most of your main points on the issues with social media scouting, etc, but your accusatory nature is really off-putting. You've denigrated others, accused them of monetary motivations for their opinions, and called their opinions baseless without offering any substantiated opinions of your own other than "trust me" declarations. Your cachet is no more substantiated than anyone else here.

 

[bigdog16]

Maybe it's your tone and approach that are the problem? And not just in this thread.

I don't disagree with most of your main points on the issues with social media scouting, etc, but your accusatory nature is really off-putting. You've denigrated others, accused them of monetary motivations for their opinions, and called their opinions baseless without offering any substantiated opinions of your own other than "trust me" declarations. Your cachet is no more substantiated than anyone else here.

Exactly this. Just because you don’t agree with other people doesn’t mean they are wrong. A lot of the names are similar to the names you see on puckpreps are because its the same guys at the top of the scoring lists at events time after time. Oak honestly sounds like a disgruntled dad that his kid hasn’t been mentioned yet

 

[William H Bonney]

Exactly this. Just because you don’t agree with other people doesn’t mean they are wrong. A lot of the names are similar to the names you see on puckpreps are because its the same guys at the top of the scoring lists at events time after time. Oak honestly sounds like a disgruntled dad that his kid hasn’t been mentioned yet

Yep. It's never been hard to pull together the names to watch at the U14 - U16 levels, even before social media. And the grifters in youth hockey aren't new. What's hard is projecting how those names will progress as teenage players.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Just fyi, Milo has long been considered a top kid in the country. A few years ago he was probably considered #1 but part of that was he was just bigger than everyone else. The top teams pretty much only play in tournaments with other top teams because otherwise it would be a waste of money to travel so these kids know each other and have played against each other since they were 7. Puberty throws a wrench in things but the talent level hasn’t changed that much over the last 5 years. There’s a lot of kids that are very close and who makes it will have a lot to do with who ends up with the best physical tools and that’s really hard to say at this point.

In my research, I found players who outperformed Florida against them. There must be much better elsewhere.

I don't know where you got your reference that this player was the No. 1 American. At the Brick Invitational, he was discreet, after Covid... nothing crazy there...

I'm not going to get excited about guys who are only at 22 points in 18 games while many others at the same level of play produce more than 1.5, 2.0, 2.5 points per game.

 

[LeProspector]

In my research, I found players who outperformed Florida against them. There must be much better elsewhere.

I don't know where you got your reference that this player was the No. 1 American. At the Brick Invitational, he was discreet, after Covid... nothing crazy there...

I'm not going to get excited about guys who are only at 22 points in 18 games while many others at the same level of play produce more than 1.5, 2.0, 2.5 points per game.

To translate “i have not seen the players at question play, but I do look at their statsheet, and make assumptions because of that”

sidenote, did you know not every elite prospect plays, and plays well at the brick? Adam Fantilli only had 3 points in 6 games one year lol

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

To translate “i have not seen the players at question play, but I do look at their statsheet, and make assumptions because of that”

Yes but no one saw them play. We have to stop inventing lives.

And even if that were the case, you would have to have seen everyone play at least 10 times to make a ranking. Impossible.

If you spend your life watching American Bantam, you don't have time for anything else. Watching a hockey match takes 2 to 3 hours.

 

[LeProspector]

Yes but no one saw them play. We have to stop inventing lives.

And even if that were the case, you would have to have seen everyone play at least 10 times to make a ranking. Impossible.

no one? You sure about that?

you haven’t, I haven‘t but there are many people that have seen these kids play.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

no one? You sure about that?

you haven’t, I haven‘t but there are many people that have seen these kids play.

Seeing a player once is very insufficient.

Just because you watched a Florida U15 game doesn't mean you can say: I know these players - they're the best. You must have seen all the others. And there are hundreds of them. And you have to watch them 10 times.

USDP needs an entire army of coordinated scouts. So a single guy is ignorant.

In addition, the guys on the site claim to follow other age categories, so 100% fake.

 

[clevelandcane]

Seeing a player once is very insufficient.

Just because you watched a Florida U15 game doesn't mean you can say: I know these players - they're the best. You must have seen all the others. And there are hundreds of them. And you have to watch them 10 times.

USDP needs an entire army of coordinated scouts. So a single guy is ignorant.

In addition, the guys on the site claim to follow other age categories, so 100% fake.

NTDP

 

[bigdog16]

Seeing a player once is very insufficient.

Just because you watched a Florida U15 game doesn't mean you can say: I know these players - they're the best. You must have seen all the others. And there are hundreds of them. And you have to watch them 10 times.

USDP needs an entire army of coordinated scouts. So a single guy is ignorant.

In addition, the guys on the site claim to follow other age categories, so 100% fake.

Just like you have seen the 9 year olds from the Brick tournament you rave about every year. I have seen this specific age group play a ton, been to all the summer tournaments. I’m not a scout and don’t claim to be. But I am there for a reason, take that for what its worth

 

[Trojans86]

Yes but no one saw them play. We have to stop inventing lives.

And even if that were the case, you would have to have seen everyone play at least 10 times to make a ranking. Impossible.

If you spend your life watching American Bantam, you don't have time for anything else. Watching a hockey match takes 2 to 3 hours.

My kid is an 09 and played against these kids all of the time since he was like 7. They played Milo like 8 times last year alone. His team was 1 or 2 in the country all year and they were actually in Chicago. Daley used to play in Detroit. I’ve seen all of these kids grow up and play a ton of times. Seen less of some of the Canadian kids because of Covid shutdowns but seen all of the best ones at least a handful of times.

Regarding talent coming out of non-traditional markets like CA, FL and TX, things have changed a ton over the last 5 years. One of the top us based kids in the country in this upcoming draft is from CA (Connelly). The youth Olympics was carried by a kid from Dallas and a few kids from CA (Torre and Stuart). The WJC was led by a couple of FL Alliance kids in Brindley and Casey. Things are changing pretty quickly.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

My kid is an 09 and played against these kids all of the time since he was like 7. They played Milo like 8 times last year alone. His team was 1 or 2 in the country all year and they were actually in Chicago. Daley used to play in Detroit. I’ve seen all of these kids grow up and play a ton of times. Seen less of some of the Canadian kids because of Covid shutdowns but seen all of the best ones at least a handful of times.

Regarding talent coming out of non-traditional markets like CA, FL and TX, things have changed a ton over the last 5 years. One of the top us based kids in the country in this upcoming draft is from CA (Connelly). The youth Olympics was carried by a kid from Dallas and a few kids from CA (Torre and Stuart). The WJC was led by a couple of FL Alliance kids in Brindley and Casey. Things are changing pretty quickly.

Who do you think is better between Dupont and Pelosi and is there anyone else in North America you think is comparable to them?

 

[Trojans86]

Who do you think is better between Dupont and Pelosi and is there anyone else in North America you think is comparable to them?

I really feel like DuPont is a notch above everyone else but haven’t see Pelosi a ton because he used to play on a lower level Philly team but everyone that knows him well thinks he is crazy good. I’ve heard Scantlebury kid is #2 but I have only seen him a few times because he is Canadian and I haven’t seen a ton of the Montreal kids. There’s quite a few kids I think are pretty close but I think DuPont is way ahead of everyone I’ve seen.

 

[Mathieukferland]

I’ve heard Scantlebury kid is #2 but I have only seen him a few times because he is Canadian and I haven’t seen a ton of the Montreal kids.

He plays in the USA now I believe; I don’t live in Québec anymore but my connections who still do say Joseph is better than Scantelbury (and Rozzi for that matter)