F Trevor Daley - Florida Alliance Elite 14U AAA, 14U AAA (2027 Draft)

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Daley has a very stocky build but still moves very well and is a dynamic playmaker that is capable of scoring when needed. Very creative with excellent vision on the ice. Fun player to watch and his dad is a great role model for him.
 
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Sounds like he’s one of the most highly regarded players in the country at this early point.


Hey what a surprise!! Pavel is quoting puck preps. smh

Daley is a solid 2 way player but I'd say he's no where close to being the total package Pelosi is. If Pelosi is the true #1 then Daley isn't close enough to him to be considered a true #2. Only thing Daley does better than Pelosi is he is a chippier player and will mix it up more. Some people still like to see that I guess.
 

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Same minor hockey association as Seamus Casey and Gavin Brindley?

Seems like they are making some noise. Where are they based out of?
 

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Same minor hockey association as Seamus Casey and Gavin Brindley?

Seems like they are making some noise. Where are they based out of?
Technically yes but Gavin’s dad coached Seamus and Gavin and used to coach Daley because he has a son the same age. They had something of a falling out and split up this year. Would’ve a team that competed for number 1 if they combined their two AAA teams.
 
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The famous analyzes of U15 matches that no one watches. Even when it's visible like the end of year tournament, the cameras are disgusting.

If it's a Florida team, the level of play is much lower than in the Lakes and Northeast. I saw many players playing in California at this age, having great statistics, becoming nothing because the level on the West Coast is not very high.

It is even weaker in the South-East.

Chase Allen is nothing. He's just a young guy who's bored and invents a life as a scout on a website.

Even an actual Scout can't compare all US prospects to each other. USDP has guys missioned in regions to detect the best players in the region but setting a hierarchy is impossible. And again, they are probably focused on the class of 2008.

The nice thing is to know that Trevor Daley has a son who is doing well in Bantam South East US.
 
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The famous analyzes of U15 matches that no one watches. Even when it's visible like the end of year tournament, the cameras are disgusting.

If it's a Florida team, the level of play is much lower than in the Lakes and Northeast. I saw many players playing in California at this age, having great statistics, becoming nothing because the level on the West Coast is not very high.
The serious evaluating at that age comes from the various camps and high level tournaments.
 

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The famous analyzes of U15 matches that no one watches. Even when it's visible like the end of year tournament, the cameras are disgusting.

If it's a Florida team, the level of play is much lower than in the Lakes and Northeast. I saw many players playing in California at this age, having great statistics, becoming nothing because the level on the West Coast is not very high.

It is even weaker in the South-East.

Chase Allen is nothing. He's just a young guy who's bored and invents a life as a scout on a website.

Even an actual Scout can't compare all US prospects to each other. USDP has guys missioned in regions to detect the best players in the region but setting a hierarchy is impossible. And again, they are probably focused on the class of 2008.

The nice thing is to know that Trevor Daley has a son who is doing well in Bantam South East US.
So you are able to analyze by stats but a guy who actually watches them play isn’t able to analyze because the level is low? This guy isn’t even asserting he can predict an NHL future for these players. He’s merely saying who is currently good.

If you know hockey, you should be able to spot talent. The low level matters, but some players have the goods and some don’t. Do you think Matthews wasn’t capable of being spotted at this age because he was playing in Arizona? Most likely it was plainly clear to all the ability he had, despite the low level of competition.

Whether it’s a game of 8 year olds or the NHL, people who understand hockey should be able to spot players that have talent beyond their teammates and competition.
 

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The famous analyzes of U15 matches that no one watches. Even when it's visible like the end of year tournament, the cameras are disgusting.

If it's a Florida team, the level of play is much lower than in the Lakes and Northeast. I saw many players playing in California at this age, having great statistics, becoming nothing because the level on the West Coast is not very high.

It is even weaker in the South-East.

Chase Allen is nothing. He's just a young guy who's bored and invents a life as a scout on a website.

Even an actual Scout can't compare all US prospects to each other. USDP has guys missioned in regions to detect the best players in the region but setting a hierarchy is impossible. And again, they are probably focused on the class of 2008.

The nice thing is to know that Trevor Daley has a son who is doing well in Bantam South East US.

Chase is doing what you wish you were doing - there is a reason the Sarnia Sting picked him up. He is good people.
 

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Chase is doing what you wish you were doing - there is a reason the Sarnia Sting picked him up. He is good people.
No, I don't claim to be a scout who make the work that USDP scouts are not yet doing.
I'm just a guy who's amused to see the new dynamics as a fan of international hockey.
Guessing the draft ranking before the draft is a game. My thoughts are then based on those of a hundred people who have done this work.

I have proof of this farce every year. Predictions on American U16 players are always rubbish. Except when a player has flown through an international pee wee/bantam tournament several times.
 

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So you are able to analyze by stats but a guy who actually watches them play isn’t able to analyze because the level is low? This guy isn’t even asserting he can predict an NHL future for these players. He’s merely saying who is currently good.

If you know hockey, you should be able to spot talent. The low level matters, but some players have the goods and some don’t. Do you think Matthews wasn’t capable of being spotted at this age because he was playing in Arizona? Most likely it was plainly clear to all the ability he had, despite the low level of competition.

Whether it’s a game of 8 year olds or the NHL, people who understand hockey should be able to spot players that have talent beyond their teammates and competition.

As already said, I rely on the work of podcasts and well-known people. Then I add my thoughts based on the lessons I learned in previous years.I am very, very far from this fraud.

Being interested in the NHL draft is very different from pretending to be a scout for American bantam players. Knowing that in reality, there are no scouts at the national level. There are a few guys scouting for USDP on a part-country scale.
 

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Brick, WSI U12, WSI U13, Qc Int PW, US14U Nationals, WSI U15, USA S-15, US U15 Nationals.

Of course people will look at historically big producing associations and see what they're doing with their club and how it tracks with players in the past as well.
 

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Brick, WSI U12, WSI U13, Qc Int PW, US14U Nationals, WSI U15, USA S-15, US U15 Nationals.

Of course people will look at historically big producing associations and see what they're doing with their club and how it tracks with players in the past as well.
Yeah all the tournaments listed here. But the Americans 09 did not contest any of them. Except Brick and Q Pee Wee a long time ago.
 

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The famous analyzes of U15 matches that no one watches. Even when it's visible like the end of year tournament, the cameras are disgusting.

If it's a Florida team, the level of play is much lower than in the Lakes and Northeast. I saw many players playing in California at this age, having great statistics, becoming nothing because the level on the West Coast is not very high.

It is even weaker in the South-East.

Chase Allen is nothing. He's just a young guy who's bored and invents a life as a scout on a website.

Even an actual Scout can't compare all US prospects to each other. USDP has guys missioned in regions to detect the best players in the region but setting a hierarchy is impossible. And again, they are probably focused on the class of 2008.

The nice thing is to know that Trevor Daley has a son who is doing well in Bantam South East US.
Very clear you don't know what you are talking about. Florida Alliance has played a total of 2 out of their 51 games against Florida/Southeastern teams. Their entire schedule is vs the top AAA teams throughout North America. They are a top 10 team in the country.
 

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Yeah all the tournaments listed here. But the Americans 09 did not contest any of them. Except Brick and Q Pee Wee a long time ago.
Yes, with COVID and all, but there are other things, out there. His EP page has links to all of these, suggesting he was one of the evaluated players at each (I don't have a Neutral Zone subscription)


You can see the Florida Alliance 14U AAA schedule a bit here. 14U - Florida Alliance Youth Hockey

It would be incorrect to assume Daley is only playing against crappy Southeast kids that just learned how to skate for the first time. (As an aside, I can't imagine how ridiculously expensive it is to be traveling that much in a single season, elite minor level hockey is not for anyone but the wealthy...)

I am not really sure what your point here is. Just that "top American 09s" is a fairly useless exercise? Yeah I suppose we can agree on that (they are still young and their bodies are rapidly changing at that age that makes projecting into adult years difficult), but we're about to head into the aged 15 season, which is pivotal for determining who will make the USNDTP, get drafted into Juniors, etc. Those evaluations rarely start from nothing. Daley has likely seen a good chunk of all the top 09 Americans at least once the past couple years by this point and in-person evaluators can certainly have reactions to that.
 
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Very clear you don't know what you are talking about. Florida Alliance has played a total of 2 out of their 51 games against Florida/Southeastern teams. Their entire schedule is vs the top AAA teams throughout North America. They are a top 10 team in the country.
I would like to have your source for the schedule and team rankings. Where can I observe this ?
 

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Yes, with COVID and all, but there are other things, out there. His EP page has links to all of these, suggesting he was one of the evaluated players at each (I don't have a Neutral Zone subscription)


You can see the Florida Alliance 14U AAA schedule a bit here. 14U - Florida Alliance Youth Hockey

It would be incorrect to assume Daley is only playing against crappy Southeast kids that just learned how to skate for the first time. (As an aside, I can't imagine how ridiculously expensive it is to be traveling that much in a single season, elite minor level hockey is not for anyone but the wealthy...)

I am not really sure what your point here is. Just that "top American 09s" is a fairly useless exercise? Yeah I suppose we can agree on that (they are still young and their bodies are rapidly changing at that age that makes projecting into adult years difficult), but we're about to head into the aged 15 season, which is pivotal for determining who will make the USNDTP, get drafted into Juniors, etc. Those evaluations rarely start from nothing. Daley has likely seen a good chunk of all the top 09 Americans at least once the past couple years by this point and in-person evaluators can certainly have reactions to that.
I came across the link. The calendar is very poor in detail. The first event boasts of having had 12 players drafted in its history. Well, it's clearly not an elite tournament. I stopped immediately.

After your site, it's an amateur boomer who manages it. You have to pay to read the article. I stopped immediately.

Every year, I read things about American prospects that are denied a few years later.

No one here listed Teddy Stiga, Trevor Connelly or Charlie Trethewey when they played for the Bantam.
 

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Every year, I read things about American prospects that are denied a few years later.

No one here listed Teddy Stiga, Trevor Connelly or Charlie Trethewey when they played for the Bantam.
Not sure what that really has to do with anything.

If it's a Florida team, the level of play is much lower than in the Lakes and Northeast.

It is even weaker in the South-East.
This point was completely incorrect/irrelevant based on teams actually played as shown by others. You made a lot of incorrect assumptions but don't seem to want to man up and accept that you were wrong. That's pretty weak imo.
 

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Not sure what that really has to do with anything.
Well yes. If the few internet sources were so reliable, they would have talked about these guys when they were in Bantam.


Usually I found that California players had very inflated stats compared to the actual level.

Concerning Florida, there is no access to statistics, nor even any indicator on the level of the team.
 

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