F Trevor Connelly - Providence College, Hockey East (2024, 19th, VGK)

[Pavel Buchnevich]

On the internet where you can quite literally look it up. Or it's been posted in this thread.

You are calling someone a racist. Pretty ridiculous to not provide the evidence and instead tell everyone to just look it up.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

You are calling someone a racist. Pretty ridiculous to not provide the evidence and instead tell everyone to just look it up.

There's 18 pages. There's a search function. Use it. I'm not going to do the work for you when I've already posted it.

 

[Fantomas]

I'm not comfortable with the label "racist" being applied to any person based on either actions or beliefs they espoused as children.

The term "racist" and other kinds of "-ist" are very easy to use as a smear and can be quite essentializing in the way they label a person, and ultimately demotivate people from learning and working toward self-reflection and self-improvement. To put it another way, troubled children and young adults need good role models, not to be tauted, shamed, and punished.

Calling Connelly "racist" seems inflammatory to me. It implies that he is a virulent bigot and has no capacity for change. What is this based on? I'm guessing nothing and the poster who called him a racist is just engaging in a particularly toxic kind of virtue signaling.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

There's 18 pages. There's a search function. Use it. I'm not going to do the work for you when I've already posted it.

I gave you a chance to showcase it nicely before opining. Maybe you knew something everyone didn't.

Now, I'm going to give my opinion. You are being very accusatory over something there is no true proof, let alone evidence, of racism. It is pretty disgusting to hijack this thread over his hockey calling him insults (something you apparently are deriding him for). It comes off tone-deaf, in the best possible interpretation.

Further, I think this faux-outrage only lends to Connelly's fandom. I think there are a lot of people who read a thread like this with an open mind, see someone crazily accuse him of being racist, not able to offer up any proof or evidence, and then feel he's being unfairly targeted.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I gave you a chance to showcase it nicely before opining. Maybe you knew something everyone didn't.

Now, I'm going to give my opinion. You are being very accusatory over something there is no true proof, let alone evidence, of racism. It is pretty disgusting to hijack this thread over his hockey calling him insults (something you apparently are deriding him for). It comes off tone-deaf, in the best possible interpretation.

Further, I think this faux-outrage only lends to Connelly's fandom. I think there are a lot of people who read a thread like this with an open mind, see someone crazily accuse him of being racist, not able to offer up any proof or evidence, and then feel he's being unfairly targeted.

You mean when he said a racial slur, the coach was interviewed and they suspended him and then when it was looked into again, they didn't contact the coach or the player that Connelly said the slur to and claimed there wasn't enough evidence but there was enough evidence to suspended him the first time. But when it was appealed, they somehow forgot to contact the coach of the player involved and the player?

Right, because none of that was shady even a tiny bit?

Multiple incidences since he was 11 where it's always someone else's fault.

Who will draft Trevor Connelly? Inside the NHL's evolving scrutiny of top prospects

NHL evaluators are encountering new areas of concern when judging the suitability of prospects for their franchises.

www.nytimes.com

Funny that Tri City Storm immediately jumped at signing him, they do have a type. Mitch Miller, Connelly...

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You mean when he said a racial slur, the coach was interviewed and they suspended him and then when it was looked into again, they didn't contact the coach or the player that Connelly said the slur to and claimed there wasn't enough evidence but there was enough evidence to suspended him the first time. But when it was appealed, they somehow forgot to contact the coach of the player involved and the player?

Right, because none of that was shady even a tiny bit?

Multiple incidences since he was 11 where it's always someone else's fault.

Who will draft Trevor Connelly? Inside the NHL's evolving scrutiny of top prospects

NHL evaluators are encountering new areas of concern when judging the suitability of prospects for their franchises.

www.nytimes.com

Funny that Tri City Storm immediately jumped at signing him, they do have a type. Mitch Miller, Connelly...

You are only digging yourself a further hole. Here's what the article you link claims.

Some NHL people were also aware he had been accused of directing a racial slur at an opponent during a game in 2021, which he has denied. He was initially suspended after that allegation, though the suspension was not upheld, with the disciplinary committee for the California Amateur Hockey Association writing that the allegation could not be corroborated. Connelly told The Athletic he doesn’t use racial slurs.

Being accused of something doesn't mean it happened. In fact, the lack of evidence after an investigation suggests it probably didn't happen.

I think it is revealing to all who read this to compare your version of what the article claims with what it actually says. You see the slanting and wish casting something that isn't in the article as if it were the truth.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

You are only digging yourself a further hole. Here's what the article you link claims.


Being accused of something doesn't mean it happened. In fact, the lack of evidence after an investigation suggests it probably didn't happen.

I think it is revealing to all who read this to compare your version of what the article claims with what it actually says. You see the slanting and wish casting something that isn't in the article as if it were the truth.

So you intentionally ignored this part?

Connelly attended the hearing, conducted via videoconference, as did his parents and Osei-Tutu, his adviser. Beebe and the player who alleged Connelly used the slur were not in attendance, according to the committee’s written decision. Beebe said in an interview he was not made aware that the hearing was taking place, and no one from CAHA alerted him that the allegation was under further review. The player who made the initial allegation was not contacted about the hearing, either, nor were his parents or the player’s adviser.

Who will draft Trevor Connelly? Inside the NHL's evolving scrutiny of top prospects

NHL evaluators are encountering new areas of concern when judging the suitability of prospects for their franchises.

www.nytimes.com

Interesting that when they spoke to the coach and the player, they suspended him. But when they did it behind their backs later, they didn't even speak to either of the other two or even let them know and then when asked?

CAHA president Tom Hancock declined to comment, citing CAHA’s policy not to discuss disciplinary matters involving minors. Sawchuk also declined to comment.

Convenient. They railroaded the poc to help Connelly is what that was. Pretty clear right there. Ignorantly thinking that isn't what happened doesn't change that it is quite literally what happened.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So you intentionally ignored this part?

Who will draft Trevor Connelly? Inside the NHL's evolving scrutiny of top prospects

NHL evaluators are encountering new areas of concern when judging the suitability of prospects for their franchises.

www.nytimes.com

Interesting that when they spoke to the coach and the player, they suspended him. But when they did it behind their backs later, they didn't even speak to either of the other two or even let them know and then when asked?


Convenient. They railroaded the poc to help Connelly is what that was. Pretty clear right there. Ignorantly thinking that isn't what happened doesn't change that it is quite literally what happened.

I was responding to your claim. You are now referring to something different.

And again, you are once again assuming a lot you can't necessarily assume because it allows you to buy into a narrative you've concocted of him that he must be a racist. He was suspended initially because players are suspended initially when these types of serious allegations are made. That's standard practice. That should not have one presume the truth of the allegations. The fact you can't acknowledge that shows people who read this discussion that you are unable to be objective about the facts. This is multiple times you've now tried to contort the allegations into more than they are and assume truth and assume certain presumptions that can't properly be presumed while trying to be in any way remotely objective.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I was responding to your claim. The thing you are quoting now is separate from the initial discussion.

And again, I'm not sure throwing out some random claim based on the contents of a hit piece against a minor helps your argument. You just want to throw salacious allegations at him, and assume the truth because it allows you to buy into a narrative you've concocted of him that he must be a racist.

The claim goes directly to that quote and you moving goal posts to keep defending a racist tells me I am done speaking to anyone that sympathizers with that type.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I'm not comfortable with the label "racist" being applied to any person based on either actions or beliefs they espoused as children.

The term "racist" and other kinds of "-ist" are very easy to use as a smear and can be quite essentializing in the way they label a person, and ultimately demotivate people from learning and working toward self-reflection and self-improvement. To put it another way, troubled children and young adults need good role models, not to be tauted, shamed, and punished.

Calling Connelly "racist" seems inflammatory to me. It implies that he is a virulent bigot and has no capacity for change. What is this based on? I'm guessing nothing and the poster who called him a racist is just engaging in a particularly toxic kind of virtue signaling.

You mean "I didn't look up any incidents and feel like after the likes of racists in the NHL - DeAngelo, Manning, Binnington, Galchenyuk, Mitch Miller, Peters etc - I have a hard time believing this to be the case."

Link's were provided, again. You can ignore them, again, like others that want to make excuses for him.

 

[Fantomas]

You mean "I didn't look up any incidents and feel like after the likes of racists in the NHL - DeAngelo, Manning, Binnington, Galchenyuk, Mitch Miller, Peters etc - I have a hard time believing this to be the case."

Link's were provided, again. You can ignore them, again, like others that want to make excuses for him.

This doesn't address anything I wrote.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

This doesn't address anything I wrote.

The article outlines the racist and his behavior. If you want to ignore it, then ignore it.

 

[Fantomas]

The article outlines the racist and his behavior. If you want to ignore it, then ignore it.

If you're doubting Connelly's sincerity (about evolving as a person) then I totally get it. I feel the same about some of these kids who ride the gravy train to riches. But not all young people who internalize and act on prejudice remain that way. He'll have many eyes on him for sure.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

The claim goes directly to that quote and you moving goal posts to keep defending a racist tells me I am done speaking to anyone that sympathizers with that type.

Promise?

 

[AyeBah]

You mean "I didn't look up any incidents and feel like after the likes of racists in the NHL - DeAngelo, Manning, Binnington, Galchenyuk, Mitch Miller, Peters etc - I have a hard time believing this to be the case."

Link's were provided, again. You can ignore them, again, like others that want to make excuses for him.

You're exhausting

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Promise?

Makes it easier for me to ignore users that have sympathy for a racist, birds of a feather as the saying goes. So off you go mate, a pattern of awful behavior and the fact that other scouts saw that he did the same thing as Miller - blamed others for his actions and didn't take proper accountability. It's no wonder he's in a weak ass program.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Right? He got kicked off teams & drafted lower for this stuff. He didn't get sent to prison or Juvie for vandalism or property destruction. I think the part of this that really bugs me as a parent is what his parents didn't do. Given that very often (not always) bigotries are inherited from parents, *if* Connolly is really able to transform given his parents putting no limitations or consequences on him given the various things he did, it would be a real credit to him.

It looks like they found ways for him to not get in the trouble he deserved for his actions. The racial slur one is egregious. To have the league first suspend Connelly and then later on go over it again with Safe Sport and not even interview the player that he uttered the slur to and the coach is some serious weasel move. Being that his Dad is a coach, I'm not entirely shocked if it's later learned he pulled strings.

Because none of that adds up at all.

Player says slur.
Video shows player upset right after, talks to coach, player is still upset as he should be for the slur.

League suspends offending player after reviewing video and speaking to the coach and player - they reviewed facts, suspend him.

Then some how, league looks into it again, only speaks to offending player, not the player or coach that would be two you speak to in this matter. So you hear one side and it's a kid that has been manipulative and a bully since he was 11, building up an awful pattern of behavior.

Worse is this idea oh boys will be boys. Do you know how scarring it is to hear a slur? It stays with you forever. Someone here decided to use the n-word towards me, it still bothers me. It came from a place of hate. To be a coward and lie your way out of it to save your career is absolutely low class.

He's an idiot. Also cost his US team with a dirty hit that lost them the game and he wasn't even asked by the team to attend the medal ceremony, the other key take away is..

"No one wants to be the one to ruin a kids career..."

Why? The league is fine treating us poc like shit. So are other leagues. It's ok to ruin those but not him for doing what he did? Then the weird grand standing Don Cherry toxic sports bs of well grow thicker skin.

Funny how it's rarely if ever, the ones that are poc that say that. Read how K'Andre Miller felt when he was hijacked in an interview with racial slurs. Read what O'Ree went through, Dumba, Aliu, etc.

Mitch Miller also said he didn't do the things he did. He also said he went to diversity training and hired a black agent for optics. These are normal for anyone that has seen that tactic before. A case where a husband beats his wife? His lawyer will be female, optics. It's mind games to appear sympathetic. This kid isn't. It's interesting that his Mom does a lot of talking but his Dad doesn't. Speaks volumes.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

If you're doubting Connelly's sincerity (about evolving as a person) then I totally get it. I feel the same about some of these kids who ride the gravy train to riches. But not all young people who internalize and act on prejudice remain that way. He'll have many eyes on him for sure.

I definitely and doubting his sincerity. Scouts did as well. They saw through his bs. But a lot of teams will value what the player could do over how shitty they are.

Like I said, look at the other racists in the league or players charged with awful shit that are allowed in, Bettman decided to draw the line on Mitch Miller, yet was ok with Binnington, DeAngelo, etc? Nazem Kadri had to endure a lot of Islamaphobia on social media, some truly vile shit. Mitch miller's friends and family attacked that poor lad even more on social media when the Bruins decided oops sorry we're idiots. Hay still got drafted, Sim still did as well, Mailloux...

Mailloux one also looks bad given the insane amount of sexual assault and rape allegations and cases right now.

 

[AyeBah]

It looks like they found ways for him to not get in the trouble he deserved for his actions. The racial slur one is egregious. To have the league first suspend Connelly and then later on go over it again with Safe Sport and not even interview the player that he uttered the slur to and the coach is some serious weasel move. Being that his Dad is a coach, I'm not entirely shocked if it's later learned he pulled strings.

Because none of that adds up at all.

Player says slur.
Video shows player upset right after, talks to coach, player is still upset as he should be for the slur.

League suspends offending player after reviewing video and speaking to the coach and player - they reviewed facts, suspend him.

Then some how, league looks into it again, only speaks to offending player, not the player or coach that would be two you speak to in this matter. So you hear one side and it's a kid that has been manipulative and a bully since he was 11, building up an awful pattern of behavior.

Worse is this idea oh boys will be boys. Do you know how scarring it is to hear a slur? It stays with you forever. Someone here decided to use the n-word towards me, it still bothers me. It came from a place of hate. To be a coward and lie your way out of it to save your career is absolutely low class.

He's an idiot. Also cost his US team with a dirty hit that lost them the game and he wasn't even asked by the team to attend the medal ceremony, the other key take away is..

"No one wants to be the one to ruin a kids career..."

Why? The league is fine treating us poc like shit. So are other leagues. It's ok to ruin those but not him for doing what he did? Then the weird grand standing Don Cherry toxic sports bs of well grow thicker skin.

Funny how it's rarely if ever, the ones that are poc that say that. Read how K'Andre Miller felt when he was hijacked in an interview with racial slurs. Read what O'Ree went through, Dumba, Aliu, etc.

Mitch Miller also said he didn't do the things he did. He also said he went to diversity training and hired a black agent for optics. These are normal for anyone that has seen that tactic before. A case where a husband beats his wife? His lawyer will be female, optics. It's mind games to appear sympathetic. This kid isn't. It's interesting that his Mom does a lot of talking but his Dad doesn't. Speaks volumes.

Holy yap, stop blowing this thread up with you feelings. Nobody here cares man