F Tommaso De Luca - HC Ambrì-Piotta, NL (2023 undrafted)

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I must admit I didn’t expect him to get this big a role. Haven’t seen him play in the NL but at least being listed on the 2nd line every game since the first preseason game and producing points is great for him and I hope he has a big breakout year in the league.

Regarding the draft, I’m still not sure. I think he’ll need a BIG year to get drafted. At this point it’s pretty well known that teams took him off their draft lists when they found out he was returning to Switzerland, and I’m not sure drafting him out of Switzerland as opposed to the WHL really changes that. On the one hand, teams would be able to retain his rights for 4 years before having to sign him vs 2 years had he been drafted out of the WHL. But at the same time, I think the only reasonable scenario where teams would want to draft him is if he’s ready to and agrees to move back to North America immediately to play in the AHL or even NHL. Meaning, he might have to go the JJ Moser route, who wasn’t drafted until he was able to jump straight into an NHL lineup after three full NL seasons.

I don't think so. I mean he's essentially in his D+1 season. Most 2nd round picks don't get that kind of a role in Europe's top leagues and if they do, many of them don't deliver. Remains to be seen if DeLuca can keep it up and like I said he's gonna need a big WJC20 as well. Still lots of if's but if he can keep it up he might be the only 2023 draft eligible prospect besides Reinbacher to play a major role in the NL and one of very few to play in such a role in a European top league. If this season goes well for him I don't see why he shouldn't stay in Ambri for another year. I think he's gonna honor his contract there at the very least. In Ambri he's well coached and does seem to get opportunities. He instantly earned a bigger role than two years older Arizona prospect Manix Landry. Only downside is that with calibers like Spacek and Dauphin on the roster, he's probably gonna find it hard to get lots of icetime as a Center which could be a reason to leave Ambri eventually.
 

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I don't think Moser is a good comparison for De Luca. Moser was always considered a defensive minded defenseman with a terrible shot and very questionable physical attributes. Because of that NHL teams did not take much of an interest in him because they didn't see NHL upside. Then in 20-21 he had a pretty remarkable and unlikely offensive breakthrough season after working on the respective tools in the summer and getting PP responsibilities. And that really changed everything in his evaluation by NHL teams. De Luca on the other hand is more comparable to fellow forwards like Simon Knak or Benjamin Baumgartner who both got drafted as NLA regulars and overagers.
The only reason I used Moser as a comparable is that he was drafted out of the NLA with the goal of moving him directly to the NHL after the draft. Knak and Baumgartner, on the other hand, are great examples for why I don't think De Luca is high on teams' lists right now. Knak was drafted out of the CHL, Baumgartner was drafted out of the NLA but never made the move to North America.

Looking at Swiss draft picks in recent years, most of them were drafted out of the CHL. Dionicio, Zanetti, Knak, Nussbaumber, Gross, Kurashev. Berni, Geisser and Baumgartner are some of the exceptions.

So knowing/assuming (?) that De Luca wasn't drafted because he decided to move back to Switzerland is a huge factor. He clearly showed that unless the CHL immediately takes him to the next step, he'd rather play back home, where NHL teams have very little control over their prospects. So teams prefer a player they can draft and develop in North America – like they could and would have done had he stayed in the dub. The problem is that Switzerland is too good an alternative for Swiss players.

I don't think so. I mean he's essentially in his D+1 season. Most 2nd round picks don't get that kind of a role in Europe's top leagues and if they do, many of them don't deliver. Remains to be seen if DeLuca can keep it up and like I said he's gonna need a big WJC20 as well. Still lots of if's but if he can keep it up he might be the only 2023 draft eligible prospect besides Reinbacher to play a major role in the NL and one of very few to play in such a role in a European top league. If this season goes well for him I don't see why he shouldn't stay in Ambri for another year. I think he's gonna honor his contract there at the very least. In Ambri he's well coached and does seem to get opportunities. He instantly earned a bigger role than two years older Arizona prospect Manix Landry. Only downside is that with calibers like Spacek and Dauphin on the roster, he's probably gonna find it hard to get lots of icetime as a Center which could be a reason to leave Ambri eventually.
Sure, but unless he either looks close to NHL ready or agrees to play in the AHL next season, what's the point in drafting him? As long as there's a chance he won't work out and just stays in Switzerland his entire career, teams prefer North American players. Or else they could/would have drafted him this year.
 

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The only reason I used Moser as a comparable is that he was drafted out of the NLA with the goal of moving him directly to the NHL after the draft. Knak and Baumgartner, on the other hand, are great examples for why I don't think De Luca is high on teams' lists right now. Knak was drafted out of the CHL, Baumgartner was drafted out of the NLA but never made the move to North America.
Knak was a bit a special case. He was starting the year in Davos, ending it in Portland. But he was back in Davos the year after. So he wasn't moving to NA right away either. I actually follow the the Devils a bit because of the Swiss mercenaries there so i know the organisation was fine with developing Baumgartner in Switzerland. And unfortunately he could never meat the Devils expectations and even regressed since he was drafted. He is just a case of a failed prospect (from the devils perspective) more than anything which is the norm for a sixth round pick anyway.

Looking at Swiss draft picks in recent years, most of them were drafted out of the CHL. Dionicio, Zanetti, Knak, Nussbaumber, Gross, Kurashev. Berni, Geisser and Baumgartner are some of the exceptions.

So knowing/assuming (?) that De Luca wasn't drafted because he decided to move back to Switzerland is a huge factor. He clearly showed that unless the CHL immediately takes him to the next step, he'd rather play back home, where NHL teams have very little control over their prospects.
Uncertainty about his future outlook in Ambri must certainly have played a role too. Most NLA clubs are notorious for not giving young and even youngish players a chance. If he can keep his position in the future and can succeed in the NLA, a much better league than the CHL and a pro league, I don't see why he wouldn't become more interesting to NHL teams again.

So teams prefer a player they can draft and develop in North America – like they could and would have done had he stayed in the dub. The problem is that Switzerland is too good an alternative for Swiss players.


Sure, but unless he either looks close to NHL ready or agrees to play in the AHL next season, what's the point in drafting him?
You would bank on him developing further in Switzerland. The NL(A) is not a mickey mouse league.

As long as there's a chance he won't work out and just stays in Switzerland his entire career, teams prefer North American players. Or else they could/would have drafted him this year.
This could be applied to pretty much all european players though; Russians, Swedes; Finns; Germans. Long term they would all rather play in their domestic league even if they can't get much more money just for quality of life alone. I don't see why Switzerland should be that much singled out in that regard.
 

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Knak was a bit a special case. He was starting the year in Davos, ending it in Portland. But he was back in Davos the year after. So he wasn't moving to NA right away either. I actually follow the the Devils a bit because of the Swiss mercenaries there so i know the organisation was fine with developing Baumgartner in Switzerland. And unfortunately he could never meat the Devils expectations and even regressed since he was drafted. He is just a case of a failed prospect (from the devils perspective) more than anything which is the norm for a sixth round pick anyway.
At the end of the day, you never know for sure what players have planned, but with De Luca, teams had certainty that he wasn't going to be back in North America for at least 2 years – and teams didn't like that.

Uncertainty about his future outlook in Ambri must certainly have played a role too. Most NLA clubs are notorious for not giving young and even youngish players a chance. If he can keep his position in the future and can succeed in the NLA, a much better league than the CHL and a pro league, I don't see why he wouldn't become more interesting to NHL teams again.
I fully agree. But if he manages to stick in the top-six and produce like a top-six player with Ambri this season, that will mean he's getting really close to NHL level already. If he does that, he'll for sure be interesting again. But as long as he's "just ok", as in sticking around but not really standing out, which would still be a very good result for a young player, I don't think that will increase NHL teams' interest much.

You would bank on him developing further in Switzerland. The NL(A) is not a mickey mouse league.
Fully agreed. But teams like to have control over their prospects and they wouldn't have had that with De Luca, which is why he wasn't drafted. Like I said, they might view things differently now that he'd be drafted out of Europe because that increases the years of team control. But I know that at least a couple of teams didn't draft him because he moved back and those teams don't currently have him on their watchlist for 2024 either. It'll be an uphill climb for him to get back on the radar.

This could be applied to pretty much all european players though; Russians, Swedes; Finns; Germans. Long term they would all rather play in their domestic league even if they can't get much more money just for quality of life alone. I don't see why Switzerland should be that much singled out in that regard.
Not quite, especially because you included Germany. Switzerland just has the best combination of quality of league and median salary. It's definitely the same if not worse for Russians, which is why we're still talking so much about the "Russian factor" every year, and probably similar for Sweden. I just singled out Switzerland because the teams I heard from in regards to De Luca singled Switzerland out too.
 
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At the end of the day, you never know for sure what players have planned, but with De Luca, teams had certainty that he wasn't going to be back in North America for at least 2 years – and teams didn't like that.


I fully agree. But if he manages to stick in the top-six and produce like a top-six player with Ambri this season, that will mean he's getting really close to NHL level already. If he does that, he'll for sure be interesting again. But as long as he's "just ok", as in sticking around but not really standing out, which would still be a very good result for a young player, I don't think that will increase NHL teams' interest much.


Fully agreed. But teams like to have control over their prospects and they wouldn't have had that with De Luca, which is why he wasn't drafted. Like I said, they might view things differently now that he'd be drafted out of Europe because that increases the years of team control. But I know that at least a couple of teams didn't draft him because he moved back and those teams don't currently have him on their watchlist for 2024 either. It'll be an uphill climb for him to get back on the radar.


Not quite, especially because you included Germany. Switzerland just has the best combination of quality of league and median salary. It's definitely the same if not worse for Russians, which is why we're still talking so much about the "Russian factor" every year, and probably similar for Sweden. I just singled out Switzerland because the teams I heard from in regards to De Luca singled Switzerland out too.
I agree with a lot of what you wrote in this post and the thread in general. I also don't know what DeLuca told NHL teams.

However, I have my doubts that this was 100% about his move to play NL. Many prospects play their D+1 in Europe, even bluechip top prospects like Miro Heiskanen or (most likely) David Reinbacher. It was never a problem. I also don't see why DeLuca would be stuck in Ambri for two years. I expect him to honor his contract but since Switzerland now has a transfer agreement with the NHL, he absolutely doesn't have to. I also don't see how NHL teams would have more control over DeLuca if he stayed in Spokane. Any NHL team drafting him could have just signed him and loaned him to Ambri resulting in the exact same amount of control. This has happened many times before and teams will continue to loan their prospects to European teams.

The unique thing about DeLuca is the timing, the fact that it was clear ahead of the draft he's gonna leave the WHL for Switzerland. While the timing and the fact that he's going back and forth between Europe and NA may look strange it makes perfect sense from the player's view. He was offered an opportunity to become an NL regular with a real chance to play top6. I can guarantee you 99% of CHL players would have accepted that offer. Many of them are happy if they get any kind of pro offer or even just a tryout/camp invite. I can see why NHL teams didn't like it much but it's a good move for the player. Not without risk and he's betting on himself to be good enough to play NL which is quite a big step from WHL despite the CHL being the worlds best junior league. It's still a step from juniors to one of the best men's league, maybe the best in Europe. While it's a risk it's also a huge opportunity. The better the competition the more you can learn. Also, while coaching is usually poor in Switzerland, in Ambri it's not. Luca Cereda seems to be doing a fantastic job and is one of very few capable Swiss born coaches. I wouldn't have have a hesitated a single minute to accept that offer if I was DeLuca and it has nothing to do with the extra money. Ambri can't pay much anyway and certainly not a teenager.

Now again I don't know what was said when DeLuca and his camp talked to NHL teams but I'm not sure this was 100% just about him signing in Ambri. Either teams didn't like something he said or, more likely, they just didn't like his upside enough. DeLuca was good for Spokane but not more and he's undersized as well. He's a very good player but I'm not sure he's a unique player and if there's something he really excels at. If he was regarded as bluechip prospect or anything close from that, he'd have gotten drafted almost no matter what. That's at least my analysis of it. So if I'm not completely wrong and something else happened between player and teams then I think he has every chance to get drafted if he can keep up his play in Switzerland and at the WJC20. He just has to be too good for teams to pass on him and so far apparently he wasn't.
 

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I agree with a lot of what you wrote in this post and the thread in general. I also don't know what DeLuca told NHL teams.

However, I have my doubts that this was 100% about his move to play NL. Many prospects play their D+1 in Europe, even bluechip top prospects like Miro Heiskanen or (most likely) David Reinbacher. It was never a problem. I also don't see why DeLuca would be stuck in Ambri for two years. I expect him to honor his contract but since Switzerland now has a transfer agreement with the NHL, he absolutely doesn't have to. I also don't see how NHL teams would have more control over DeLuca if he stayed in Spokane. Any NHL team drafting him could have just signed him and loaned him to Ambri resulting in the exact same amount of control. This has happened many times before and teams will continue to loan their prospects to European teams.

The unique thing about DeLuca is the timing, the fact that it was clear ahead of the draft he's gonna leave the WHL for Switzerland. While the timing and the fact that he's going back and forth between Europe and NA may look strange it makes perfect sense from the player's view. He was offered an opportunity to become an NL regular with a real chance to play top6. I can guarantee you 99% of CHL players would have accepted that offer. Many of them are happy if they get any kind of pro offer or even just a tryout/camp invite. I can see why NHL teams didn't like it much but it's a good move for the player. Not without risk and he's betting on himself to be good enough to play NL which is quite a big step from WHL despite the CHL being the worlds best junior league. It's still a step from juniors to one of the best men's league, maybe the best in Europe. While it's a risk it's also a huge opportunity. The better the competition the more you can learn. Also, while coaching is usually poor in Switzerland, in Ambri it's not. Luca Cereda seems to be doing a fantastic job and is one of very few capable Swiss born coaches. I wouldn't have have a hesitated a single minute to accept that offer if I was DeLuca and it has nothing to do with the extra money. Ambri can't pay much anyway and certainly not a teenager.

Now again I don't know what was said when DeLuca and his camp talked to NHL teams but I'm not sure this was 100% just about him signing in Ambri. Either teams didn't like something he said or, more likely, they just didn't like his upside enough. DeLuca was good for Spokane but not more and he's undersized as well. He's a very good player but I'm not sure he's a unique player and if there's something he really excels at. If he was regarded as bluechip prospect or anything close from that, he'd have gotten drafted almost no matter what. That's at least my analysis of it. So if I'm not completely wrong and something else happened between player and teams then I think he has every chance to get drafted if he can keep up his play in Switzerland and at the WJC20. He just has to be too good for teams to pass on him and so far apparently he wasn't.
I agree for the most part. It most definitely wasn’t ONLY about his move to Switzerland. He was a fringe guy some teams had somewhere low-ish on their list while others saw him as an interesting invite. Of course there were teams that just didn’t like him too. But for a fringe guy like that, the decision to head back – and, like you said, making it known before the draft – was definitely enough for teams to take him off their lists entirely. Michkov was picked in the top 10 despite his multi-year contract in Russia – but De Luca is no Michkov…

Regarding team control, I don’t just mean the rights part of the equation but rather the influence teams can have on the player’s development. The goal for CHL teams is to make their players as good as possible and have them transition to the NHL or at least AHL. In the process, NHL teams will send their scouts, GMs and development coaches to see the drafted players throughout the year. They’ll just chat, go over video, discuss improvement areas, workout plans etc. They can be very hands-on, and coaches, GMs and agents will facilitate and encourage it.

For players in Europe, it’s very different. Teams in Europe have a huge interest in developing players for their own good. Yes, they’ll be paid a fee if their player signs in the NHL and they’ll be proud of the player if he makes it, but they still want to have him in their system for as long as possible, with the goal of making him a long-term member of the club. Instead of sending him to the AHL at 20, they’d rather keep him until 23+. It’s harder for NHL personell to keep in touch with the players and they have little to no control over what and how a player practices etc. They just have to trust the European club and hope for the best. The players will also be in touch with their European agents only, rather than their North American partners, who often prefer securing a big contract in Switzerland and making some CHF over sending a fringe guy to North America in hopes of getting him to the NHL.

Now, De Luca’s route could very well work out and it often has in the past. It’s probably true as well that Ambri is better for a player like De Luca than other clubs. However, as long as you don’t see De Luca as a can’t-miss prospect, many NHL teams think he’s just not worth the effort and prefer to pick a CHL/USHL/NCAA player they can see and talk to whenever they please.
 
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Topscorer Spacek is sick so DeLuca is gonna center Ambri's topline tonight vs. the Tigers.
Still only played 11 minutes. He’s been averaging 10 ish minutes, which is toward the bottom among Ambri forwards, despite being listed in the top six every game. Still, >10 minutes is impressive.
 

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De Luca’s ice time has been declining and he played 0 seconds last night. SL next?
 

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Three assists in first nine games for a team that is 5-3-1.

Anything to discern from his first month or so in the Swiss league?
 

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De Luca’s ice time has been declining and he played 0 seconds last night. SL next?

Don't see him heading to the SL. Wouldn't be the worst since it's still a pro league and better than CHL. He'd get big minutes there, too. However, they very much need him in Ambri. He's the team's 2nd line Center tonight.

I'm not worried about DeLuca. He's playing well from what I see. Ice time may not look like much but it's fair considering how young he is. It's quality ice time he's getting, too. He's starting to get time at Center and on the PP now...something he didn't get initially.

I don't know why he didn't get a shift in that game but usually when players don't play despite being on the lineup card then either they got sick/tweaked something on the journey/during warm up it's a punishment for being too late/missing a team meeting or practice etc. There may be asshole coaches who do stuff like this anyway but Luca Cereda isn't one of them. I'm sure he had a pretty good reason to not play DeLuca that night.
 

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Don't see him heading to the SL. Wouldn't be the worst since it's still a pro league and better than CHL. He'd get big minutes there, too. However, they very much need him in Ambri. He's the team's 2nd line Center tonight.

I'm not worried about DeLuca. He's playing well from what I see. Ice time may not look like much but it's fair considering how young he is. It's quality ice time he's getting, too. He's starting to get time at Center and on the PP now...something he didn't get initially.

I don't know why he didn't get a shift in that game but usually when players don't play despite being on the lineup card then either they got sick/tweaked something on the journey/during warm up it's a punishment for being too late/missing a team meeting or practice etc. There may be asshole coaches who do stuff like this anyway but Luca Cereda isn't one of them. I'm sure he had a pretty good reason to not play DeLuca that night.
He had just a minute and a half in a previous game too. It’s not totally unusual.
 

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He had just a minute and a half in a previous game too. It’s not totally unusual.

I think you're reading too much into it. What matters is that he's trusted enough to repeatedly earn C (even top6 C) and PP time. If you asked me ahead of the season I would have told you that he's highly unlikely to get that this early into the season. DeLuca is also mostly preferred to Manix Landry who's both a drafted player and two years older. I can't watch all of the games so I can't tell you why his ice time was 0 or very low a couple of times. I don't think it's performance related. Like I said he keeps on getting quality ice time and is mostly preferred to Landry.
 

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I think you're reading too much into it. What matters is that he's trusted enough to repeatedly earn C (even top6 C) and PP time. If you asked me ahead of the season I would have told you that he's highly unlikely to get that this early into the season. DeLuca is also mostly preferred to Manix Landry who's both a drafted player and two years older. I can't watch all of the games so I can't tell you why his ice time was 0 or very low a couple of times. I don't think it's performance related. Like I said he keeps on getting quality ice time and is mostly preferred to Landry.
Landry is at 10:48, De Luca at 7:54 average TOI.
 

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Landry is at 10:48, De Luca at 7:54 average TOI.
Yeah. If I get 0 shifts in a game of course that's gonna affect my average TOI. I'm talking games they actually played and I'm not just talking about TOI. Landry doesn't get PP-time, DeLuca does. Also, DeLuca is mostly a top6 player while Landry hardly ever played top6.
 

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Yeah. If I get 0 shifts in a game of course that's gonna affect my average TOI. I'm talking games they actually played and I'm not just talking about TOI. Landry doesn't get PP-time, DeLuca does. Also, DeLuca is mostly a top6 player while Landry hardly ever played top6.
Sure. But getting 0-2 shifts in some games doesn’t scream “quality ice time” to me.
 

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Not sure what's up there. He wasn't playing but not listed as with the farmteam, as sick, injured or scratch either. Maybe a transfer incoming.
Yeah weird. Why would he come back to Switzerland though, if he is not ready to though it out in the NL/SL? Could just have stayed in NA in the first place then.
 

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Unfortunately, it was a choice dictated by the possibility of Swiss passport releases; if he had stayed in NA he would have had no chance of getting it. Unfortunately the bureaucracy is not always clear and even if returned this will not arrive in time for the WJCs.
At the same time Ambri had offered him a contract unfortunately the cutting of Heim from the Saint Louis Blues and the acquisition of Formenon have reduced the chances of having ice time with continuity and a possible return to NA is the best solution for his development at the moment better than play in SL.
Unfortunately, everything doesn't always work out the way it should.....
 

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