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F Rodion Amirov (2020, 15th, TOR) - tragically passed away due to brain tumor 8/14/23

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HOPE said:
crazy none the less for a 18 year old to play 24 mins in the KHL these 2 goals and assist will certainly open some eyes towards the coaching staff.
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For this season it is new normal, almost all teams have corona issues.
Amirov was playing on a 1st line with good players, so they were given lots of ice time.
 
Atas2000 said:
Give me a reliable source that states exactly what zou are writing there.
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Reliable source?

I don't have an official source for this. What I know is that Hartikainen, Granlund, Larsen, Metsola, Panin, Zharkov, Khokhryakov, Kadeykin, Koledov and the head coach Lyamsa are not participaiting in the games right now. I also know that SKA, Lokomotiv, Amur, Neftekhimik, Spartak, Dinamo Riga, Barys, Torpedo and Kunlun have been hit with corona this month.

Using Occams Razor I deduct that Salavat players are mostl likely out with corona. But of course, maybe they are in alcoholic depression after loss to mighty Ak Bars.

Fact is, half of the roster is missing.
 
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TOI is mostly due to him playing on 1st PP, SYu basically only having one potent unit with all the guys missing and Ufa having 8 PP chances which is, you know, a lot.
 
Garl said:
Reliable source?

I don't have an official source for this.
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That is what I was getting at.

Garl said:
What I know is that Hartikainen, Granlund, Larsen, Metsola, Panin, Zharkov, Khokhryakov, Kadeykin, Koledov and the head coach Lyamsa are not participaiting in the games right now. I also know that SKA, Lokomotiv, Amur, Neftekhimik, Spartak, Dinamo Riga, Barys, Torpedo and Kunlun have been hit with corona this month.
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...and you excessively use generalizations to push your agenda in the best tradition of modern journalism. You give a long list of players... not playing, then a long list of teams and state they were "hit with corona". I mean yeah, one positive test or 30, you COULD say the team is "hit with corona". And, you know, I was visiting one COVID-19 infested country too. And naturally I had to go through all the measures of testing and quarantine. And for two weeks I was not participating in any of my families activtites. Was my family "hit with corona"? My tests turned out negative btw. I still was away from most of my usual life for two weeks.

Meaning - as soon as there is a risk quarantibe measures apply. That does not necessarily mean all or even any persons in question will test positive. Not all KHL players who have to stay away from games will have tested positive. Teams missing some players due to the COVID-19 situation obviously have at least one case of positive testing on their hands, but that is all we can know.

Garl said:
Using Occams Razor I deduct that Salavat players are most likely out with corona. But of course, maybe they are in alcoholic depression after loss to mighty Ak Bars.

Fact is, half of the roster is missing.
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Well, Sherlock, your deduction is not quite accurate then. Also, jumping on the "highly likely" surfboard of fact-twisters is not the finest way. There are facts. There is no "highly likely". Those are your wild assumtions and pretentious claims. As for alcoholic depressions, I don't even know how to ask. Maybe someplace they are a common thing? I don't know.

The only fact you get right is that players are missing. What that means I have already deducted for you above.
 
Atas2000 said:
That is what I was getting at.
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Yes, I know, you want to play some sophistry.

Atas2000 said:
...and you excessively use generalizations to push your agenda in the best tradition of modern journalism. You give a long list of players... not playing, then a long list of teams and state they were "hit with corona". I mean yeah, one positive test or 30, you COULD say the team is "hit with corona". And, you know, I was visiting one COVID-19 infested country too. And naturally I had to go through all the measures of testing and quarantine. And for two weeks I was not participating in any of my families activtites. Was my family "hit with corona"? My tests turned out negative btw. I still was away from most of my usual life for two weeks.

Meaning - as soon as there is a risk quarantibe measures apply. That does not necessarily mean all or even any persons in question will test positive. Not all KHL players who have to stay away from games will have tested positive. Teams missing some players due to the COVID-19 situation obviously have at least one case of positive testing on their hands, but that is all we can know.
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Journalists are usually using some insides in this situation. For official information you can read teams website.

Interesting that you yourself are making a case that it is prefectly fine to say that the team was "hit" by corona even if it is one player who got tested positive and the rest are on quarantine because of mandatory measures. Yet, you decide to play a smartbacksidepartofthebody guy.

Atas2000 said:
Well, Sherlock, your deduction is not quite accurate then. Also, jumping on the "highly likely" surfboard of fact-twisters is not the finest way. There are facts. There is no "highly likely". Those are your wild assumtions and pretentious claims. As for alcoholic depressions, I don't even know how to ask. Maybe someplace they are a common thing? I don't know.

The only fact you get right is that players are missing. What that means I have already deducted for you above.
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As we already concluded, it is fine to say the team was hit by Corona, even if players are not ill, but are on mandatory lockdown. And Salavat has infected players, this is from their General Manager who confirmed at least Lamsa and Granlund.

You are using "higly likely" as a bad trope(which smells of certain political scandal between Russia and UK). Using it as a bad trope has itself became a bad trope. Often there are no objective facts. "Highly likely" is the way our world operates and a really good example is our judiciary system. Very rarely you have all the facts and details. Usually, you have some evidence and make your judgment based on the evidence you have.

So in this case, with all the evidence which I already presented, I make a conclusion that they were hit with the corona. You call that "wild and pretentious claims", which itself is btw not a neutral statement, what you are basically saying is that my conclusion is irrational and is lacking evidence.
You can say that maybe, they are not all ill, and that is true, even though it still has a problem, because why then half of the team is out and half is playing?
But don't hide behind "I only look at the facts" line when you basically say that thinking that players are ill is irrational.
 
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He seems like one of the underappreciated guys. I don't even know if he's underrated because he seems to get ranked ok, but no one talks about him.

Just seems weird how much attention a guy like Marat seems to get around here compared to Rodion
 
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jc17 said:
He seems like one of the underappreciated guys. I don't even know if he's underrated because he seems to get ranked ok, but no one talks about him.

Just seems weird how much attention a guy like Marat seems to get around here compared to Rodion
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People love Khusnutdinov's skating, but Amirov has always been the better player. I think, with all his goals in the KHL, he'll be picked in the 1st. I 'd say, he could be picked in the 1st even without those goals, but now he's probably in top15 for someone.
 
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jc17 said:
He seems like one of the underappreciated guys. I don't even know if he's underrated because he seems to get ranked ok, but no one talks about him.

Just seems weird how much attention a guy like Marat seems to get around here compared to Rodion
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He’s been a consensus first rounder all season and even top 10 for some. He’s definitely a top-15 candidate
 
Steve Kournianos said:
He’s been a consensus first rounder all season and even top 10 for some. He’s definitely a top-15 candidate
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On elite prospects the highest hes ranked is 14 by future considerations. The range is 14-25 with most in the teens.

Even though hes not poorly rated my point is that you have people arguing that guys like marat, Quinn, gunler, should be low teens, possibly top 10. I just haven't seen these arguments to the same degree for amirov which is suprising.
 
Khusnutdinov has a video clip friendly game, but I would expect that NHL teams would see past that. Quinn definitely deserves to be in the teens, if not low teens. Can't quite get a read on Gunler...Amirov has been pretty consistently been rated in the teens. If anything, some Russians have him rated a bit lower than that. He might go a bit lower because of team needs (defense and C). Some teams might be reluctant to take him if they want him to play in the next 2-3 years or so on a ELC, and feel that they will have a tug of war with with a KHL team who can pay the same or more for his services.
 
Craig Button has this kid going to Dallas at #30.....that'd be a steal if he's seen by some as a top-10er.

Dallas has gone Russian in the first round a few times in the last decade, maybe again here. :dunno:
 
Dr Pepper said:
Craig Button has this kid going to Dallas at #30.....that'd be a steal if he's seen by some as a top-10er.

Dallas has gone Russian in the first round a few times in the last decade, maybe again here. :dunno:
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Just a little off.
 
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