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F Justin Poirier - Baie-Comeau, QMJHL (2024, 156th, CAR)
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This guy is an intriguing prospect, but you can see why he’s rated where he is. I’m not 100% sure if I’d take him in the 2nd round; he’s still a gamble there, but I’d be tempted. Here are my thoughts on him:
• People get up in arms when you use the word “slow”, but is not a fast player, at all. I’m struggling to remember any of his goals where he got around a D off the rush, or scored off a breakaway and I’ve seen every goal he scored this season. I’m sure there was some, but they are few and far between, to say the least. At his size, and with how he plays the game, his lack of speed is going to be a problem at higher levels.
• He scored 51 goals this year, which is a notable achievement in the Q for a 17 year old. But, a significant amount of them were empty netters, and a significant amount of the remainder were on the power play. I’m not sure of the exact breakdown, but it’s got to be ~10 empty netters, and at least half the remainder on the power play. Like I said above, scoring off the rush was more rare for him, as was him dangling or scoring while moving at speed. There was a lot of him just hanging around the hash marks and ripping one-timers on the power play, or kind of floating toward the net from near the half wall/blue line area and ripping a wrister through traffic. It’s hard to imagine him having the same kind of success goal scoring wise at higher levels with much less time and space with where he’s at in his game currently.
• He isn’t a guy that you’d say creates his own chances all that much, and he doesn’t do anything really well aside from scoring. There is not really any other plus areas of his game. He’s kind of like another player in this draft, Cole Eiserman, except he’s smaller and slower, and his shot isn’t quite as good.
• He’s got a good shot, period. He’s quite good at getting pucks on net through traffic, and his shot is pretty accurate. He can really rip it with wristers and slap shots. However, I do have some criticisms here too. He really telegraphs his shot on the power play, like literally just stands there a lot and winds right up and rips a slap shot one-timer. Everyone knows what he’s going to do, but it’s obviously worked so far against the teams and goalies he’s been facing. I’m seriously doubtful that’s going to work at higher levels of competition. Ovechkin gets away with that stuff at the NHL level and pretty much no one else. I’m sure I don’t need to state the obvious here. Additionally, his wrist shot is good and accurate and powerful, but it seems like he takes forever to get it off a lot of times. He’s got this kind of wind up thing he does even with his wrist shots, and he seems to fire his wrist shot in a strange way as well, i.e., his shot mechanics are really awkward. He sometimes looks like he’s releasing it from directly underneath him, right in front of his feet. Again, it’s worked so far at the junior level, but he’s going to have to work on this stuff if he’s going to have success at higher levels.
• Obviously his size is not ideal. He’s built like a little tank though and he seems to be really strong on his skates and has good balance. I don’t believe he’s going to be pushed around physically, at least not to the extent that it’s a problem. He’s not physical, but he doesn’t seem to shy away from contact. I don’t remember him battling too much for pucks, but from my memory he doesn’t avoid the dirty areas or anything. But he does like the perimeter just due to the nature of his game and him being a shooter. He will, however venture into traffic on occasion and score from the dirty areas. Even with all this in mind though, his size and the aforementioned lack of speed aren’t going to do him any favours at higher levels.
A disclaimer I want to mention is that this report is based on the regular season only - I have not watched his playoffs yet, and he had a good one, scoring over a goal per game. I will watch when I can and see if there’s been any developments or changes. Without having watched though, the fact that he not only maintained his goalscoring pace, but actually ramped it up even further in the playoffs where the intensity is higher is a good sign.
• People get up in arms when you use the word “slow”, but is not a fast player, at all. I’m struggling to remember any of his goals where he got around a D off the rush, or scored off a breakaway and I’ve seen every goal he scored this season. I’m sure there was some, but they are few and far between, to say the least. At his size, and with how he plays the game, his lack of speed is going to be a problem at higher levels.
• He scored 51 goals this year, which is a notable achievement in the Q for a 17 year old. But, a significant amount of them were empty netters, and a significant amount of the remainder were on the power play. I’m not sure of the exact breakdown, but it’s got to be ~10 empty netters, and at least half the remainder on the power play. Like I said above, scoring off the rush was more rare for him, as was him dangling or scoring while moving at speed. There was a lot of him just hanging around the hash marks and ripping one-timers on the power play, or kind of floating toward the net from near the half wall/blue line area and ripping a wrister through traffic. It’s hard to imagine him having the same kind of success goal scoring wise at higher levels with much less time and space with where he’s at in his game currently.
• He isn’t a guy that you’d say creates his own chances all that much, and he doesn’t do anything really well aside from scoring. There is not really any other plus areas of his game. He’s kind of like another player in this draft, Cole Eiserman, except he’s smaller and slower, and his shot isn’t quite as good.
• He’s got a good shot, period. He’s quite good at getting pucks on net through traffic, and his shot is pretty accurate. He can really rip it with wristers and slap shots. However, I do have some criticisms here too. He really telegraphs his shot on the power play, like literally just stands there a lot and winds right up and rips a slap shot one-timer. Everyone knows what he’s going to do, but it’s obviously worked so far against the teams and goalies he’s been facing. I’m seriously doubtful that’s going to work at higher levels of competition. Ovechkin gets away with that stuff at the NHL level and pretty much no one else. I’m sure I don’t need to state the obvious here. Additionally, his wrist shot is good and accurate and powerful, but it seems like he takes forever to get it off a lot of times. He’s got this kind of wind up thing he does even with his wrist shots, and he seems to fire his wrist shot in a strange way as well, i.e., his shot mechanics are really awkward. He sometimes looks like he’s releasing it from directly underneath him, right in front of his feet. Again, it’s worked so far at the junior level, but he’s going to have to work on this stuff if he’s going to have success at higher levels.
• Obviously his size is not ideal. He’s built like a little tank though and he seems to be really strong on his skates and has good balance. I don’t believe he’s going to be pushed around physically, at least not to the extent that it’s a problem. He’s not physical, but he doesn’t seem to shy away from contact. I don’t remember him battling too much for pucks, but from my memory he doesn’t avoid the dirty areas or anything. But he does like the perimeter just due to the nature of his game and him being a shooter. He will, however venture into traffic on occasion and score from the dirty areas. Even with all this in mind though, his size and the aforementioned lack of speed aren’t going to do him any favours at higher levels.
A disclaimer I want to mention is that this report is based on the regular season only - I have not watched his playoffs yet, and he had a good one, scoring over a goal per game. I will watch when I can and see if there’s been any developments or changes. Without having watched though, the fact that he not only maintained his goalscoring pace, but actually ramped it up even further in the playoffs where the intensity is higher is a good sign.
His skating is his biggest knock, it needs a lot of work.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I don’t see it that way. I think his biggest knock is his height.
His skating is a weakness for sure, especially in terms of speed and acceleration. It’s pretty much a consensus opinion, so I’m not sure where you’re coming from here.
Then you should watch him play more, he may short but he's built like a fire hydrant and rarely loses board battles despite being a shorter player.
His below average skating is a significantly larger concern at the professional level.
DinosaurBones
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Seems alot like how Dumais was considered. Size/speed/explosiveness big issue. High offensive upside for his age. Being that size and not being able to create separation with speed will not get you to that level of being a good pro (NHL level), cant ignore the offensive potential though, will be interesting to see if someone takes a shot higher than expected
Less of a size concern here, Dumais was 20+ lbs lighter, Poirier is significantly stronger on his skates, I've seen him live several times and was always impressed by his ability to win board battles, his strong balance, willingness to go to the dirt areas. Dumais is far more perimeter, less willing to engage.
His skating on the other hand? Leaves a lot to be desired. In the games I watched he also scored a lot of goals from the perimeter, low danger areas due to his high level shot, but I'm not sure how that will translate to the professional level.
Still, there is undeniable upside here, I would certainly be willing to take a shot at him in rounds 2 or 3 just purely on his ceiling.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
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yeah, we know,.... i think he shouldn't be drafted at all... Pavel Brendl probably the biggest comparison..
in case you didn't understand, that was sarcasm
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of all 2024 draftees
most goals
1. Poirier 69 (85 games) - his 18 playoffs goals was historical , he also scored almost 30 points and led the po in points
2. Eiserman 67 (64 games)
3. Catton 54 (72 games)
most points
1. Catton 120
2. Parascak 119 (80 games)
3. Poirier 109
his +/-, +50 is among the best
his 82 pim is in the top 10
how he scores, produces, plays is the key though
only fool would not draft him in the 1st round
and if those fools are worried about his skating..
in todays hockey, its easiest to fix/teach, you can't teach skill
most goals
1. Poirier 69 (85 games) - his 18 playoffs goals was historical , he also scored almost 30 points and led the po in points
2. Eiserman 67 (64 games)
3. Catton 54 (72 games)
most points
1. Catton 120
2. Parascak 119 (80 games)
3. Poirier 109
his +/-, +50 is among the best
his 82 pim is in the top 10
how he scores, produces, plays is the key though
only fool would not draft him in the 1st round
and if those fools are worried about his skating..
in todays hockey, its easiest to fix/teach, you can't teach skill
Honestly I don't know what you're trying to prove with this clip, his skating is fine....at the Q level, it's going to need significant improvement if he's going to reach his max potential at the NHL level, and just about every scouting report out there lists this as his biggest weakness
https://recrutes.ca/justin-poirier-scouting-report/#:~:text=His%20skating%20could%20be%20worked,anticipating%20a%20defender's%20outlet%20passes.
Justin Poirier – 2024 NHL Draft Prospect Profile - The Hockey Writers NHL Entry Draft Latest News, Analysis & More
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
He pulled away from Q players there, not did fine.
For some reason you’re trying to act like it’s an accepted fact he can’t skate. Time will tell who is right.
Those damn silly Pro Scouts and their "projecting". I mean, why have any concerns about a small player with skating concerns at the next level who produced great numbers in the Q? Those guys always turn into surefire stars at the NHL level mirite?
Look I like Justin as a prospect and think he has a first round worthy ceiling, but the only fools are the ones who do their scouting on HockeyDB and would have Drafted Simon Gamache and Jordan Dumais first overall.
While there is certainly first round upside with this player, there's also more risk attached to it. If he goes day 2 it's going to be a long, long while before we can start labeling 32 NHL teams and their professional scouts "fools" for having qualms that extend beyond the boxscore.
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I didn't say he "can't skate", I said his skating needs work if he's to reach his potential at the NHL level.
It's fine if you wish to disagree with me and virtually every scouting report that exists on this player, that's fine, I just don't think a 3 second Twitter clip of him cutting around the perimeter is the best example for "showing us up"
If you're content with him being a solid to good skater at the Q level, you should be content with his skating as is. However, if you're looking for him to continue to have that speed advantage at the NHL level he's going to need some significant work, this is essentially universally agreed upon as his biggest weakness at this point.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Here you go again.
You link two scouting reports, one from a website that has completely garbage scouting reports year after year, and that’s proof that the people who disagree with you are standing on an island.
I can list as many as I can find, they'll virtually all tell you the same thing -- Skating is a weakness for Justin Poirier.
If you don't like the source, feel free to provide your own as a rebuttal.
Justin Poirier – 2024 NHL Draft Prospect Profile - The Hockey Writers NHL Entry Draft Latest News, Analysis & More
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Tkachuk Norris
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His brother is a ++ skater. One of the two fastest in the Flames organization. This guy will be the annual example of GMs and scouts overthinking size
“Pulled away”, as in skated leisurely around the perimeter on the power play while the opposing players maintained their positioning instead of chasing him around like they’re in peewee? How you thought that clip would help your argument in any way is beyond me.
His skating is a big weakness, specifically his lack of speed and acceleration. You’ve been told by several people in this thread and have also been provided with links where scouts are saying the same thing, which is particularly meaningful because scouts often try to avoid saying anything negative if they can. The fact that so many are emphatically stating it publicly is a strong indication that it’s a major concern. It’s a consensus opinion among anyone who’s watched him extensively and actually understands hockey. But dig your heels in if you want, I guess.
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ryan callahan
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This thread? It’s everyone saying it except a few biased fans on HF. He’s average from a technical standpoint, but lacks separation speed, power, and acceleration, and it’s glaringly obvious even at his current level of competition.
Sennecke isn’t a fast player either, but he’s faster than Poirier, is better technically/edge-wise, and he’s bigger and can do things other than shoot the puck. Lindstrom? Lmao. Now I know you’re just a guy who watched a few highlights here and there. Lindstrom is a fast, powerful skater with a much longer stride, and has better acceleration. His mechanics can look a little awkward at times due to his frame, but he’s fast, dynamic, and powerful, not even just for his size, but overall.
I get wanting the little guy to succeed and rooting for him, but making up shit that anyone with an unbiased pair of eyes can see is false is crazy.
ryan callahan
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If Lindstrom is "a little awkward" then Poirier is Cale Makar. Yes Lindstrom is very fast in a straight line but if he doesn't make significant improvement he'll become a Josh Anderson, a Zach Bogosian, etc. where the player can't turn effectively at an NHL level even if he is very powerful. Lindstrom needs skating improvement as much as anyone in this draft class.
Sennecke from what I've seen is closer to a Kotkaniemi level bambi skater than anything else. I don't know why everyone assumes he will get better because he has to adjust to new height and weight as if other junior aged draft eligible players don't either.
Poirier's skating reminds me of Stankoven. Not killer fast but good edges and good changes of direction. Won't be McDavid but won't hinder him in his career either.
Dude, it’s blatantly obvious you haven’t watched any of these players extensively and are going off a few highlights and making things up as you go. Not worth engaging any further. Enjoy your night.
ryan callahan
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Look at me Mr. I am always right and I absolutely refuse to engage in any discussion that don't match my point of view. Based on my viewings of these players these concerns are absolutely warranted about Lindstrom's and Sennecke's skating and if teams ignore these on the basis that they are 6'3 or 6'4 as they have done in the past GMs might be extremely disappointed. But yeah bud keep parroting
Dude, it’s blatantly obvious you haven’t watched any of these players extensively and are going off a few highlights and making things up as you go. Not worth engaging any further. Enjoy your night.
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