Read what i said, "good scorer but lacks in all other departments to be a GOOD top 6". Tolvanen for instance was a top 6 in Nashville but sure wasn't a good one, i don't see much difference in Kemell from Tolvanen except for physicality tbh.
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Hntz
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Tolvanen threw his body around a bunch in the KHL, and had over 170 hits last season. Are you sure you’ve watched enough both players to make such comparison?
Huh? Nashville immediately sent Tolvanen to the AHL where he became a two-way player over several years, and has fulfilled that role ever since with little ice time. It's also difficult to understand your comments about physicality when Tolvanen is one of the more physical players in the league.
I knew he liked to throw hits but not that much, so they are even more similar than i expected, i admit i haven't watched too many Nashville games, but overall Kemell remids me of Tolvanen, and i still think Kemell might become a top 6 but i don't see him to ever become that good as his vision/playmaking is rather below average, top 6 minutes and special teams he might crack 30 goals one day, there is a reason he dropped so much and no it's not just the shoulder injury like some copers here are saying, he just never stood out in other forms of consistency other than having a good hot streak at the beginning of the season.
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So a “good scorer” isn’t a “good top six”?
“Good” means better than average, right?
There were 82 players who scored 25+ goals last year. Only four — Hagel, DeBrusk, Lee, and Kempe — had under 20 assists and none had less than 17.
DeBrusk and Hagel are 24-25 years old and blocked by multiple future HHOF’ers so they still have at least 3-5 prime years to hit 30 goals and get top-line minutes. Kempe scored 30+ goals and was a top-liner on a playoff team. Lee had 30 and 40 goal seasons and was a top-liner on a conference finalist. All four played on a first or second line last season.
According to you, 25-10-35 is the best case scenario for Kemell. But it’s unrealistic production for a top-six forward. If Kemell scores 25 goals, he’s going to hit closer to 45 points, just like Hagel, Lee, Kempe, and DeBrusk.
Hagel was traded for two 1st-round picks, and it was Tampa Bay who wanted him.
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This should be a good thread to come back to in a few years. And all the shade being thrown towards tolvanen is hilarious, he hasn't even finished developing and people are talking about him like he is retired and have an entire NHL career to compare him with Kemmel. When/if tolvanen finds his offense he is going to be very good.
Damn you hate him. Unbelievable really. He had in fact a pretty good game. Did very good passing mostly and got a couple of good assists. The only thing that was off for him was his shot accuracy. But damn are you blinded by hate when you look at him play. It’s honestly getting very embarrassing for you. Because of this you have lost all credibility as a poster here.
And btw, invisible is written with an s, not a c…
I literally have no reason to hate him lmao, he did look rather invicible on that line, yeah a few assists and a few good passes but overall he wasn't so good, on a line like that a player like him should be able to stand out much more. I want him to succeed, but he's just not passing the eye test fot me at all i'm sorry. People can have different opinions, maybe accept that instead of coping so hard that you feel the need to get so angry at me.
Sure, that can be you opinion, but sometimes an opinion can still be absolutely wrong. Just like someone still having the opinion that invisible should be written as invicible...
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You attacking my spelling as a non native English speaker tell me enough. Who are you to say my opinion is wrong? I'm not the only one questioning his overall game, it's been rather shit lately to be completely honest, yeah he has assists but he's the definition of a passenger on that line as is.Sure, that can be you opinion, but sometimes an opinion can still be absolutely wrong. Just like someone still having the opinion that invisible should be written as invicible...
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I’m just calling out your opinion for being complete crap. Don’t get so upset. Just get smarter opinions if you are going to be constantly so loud about a player who is right now 3rd in the U20 WJC tournament’s scoring, while still being a double underager in the tournament. 2+5=7 in just 3 games really isn’t too shabby…
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Clearly i'm the one who's mad here
yeah good stats on paper, like a passenger usually can have.
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Definately not invisible but to me he has been the least impressive player from his line. I feel like Hirvonen and Räty have been more involved in the game whereas Kemell not so much.
But you can definately see he can make good decisions with the puck pretty much everytime he gets it. He is going to be a good player.
But you can definately see he can make good decisions with the puck pretty much everytime he gets it. He is going to be a good player.
I can for sure agree with this to a point. I mean he has been still a notch under the level of Räty and Hirvonen on that line. But a passenger? Hell no! He has been mostly making good decisions and has had good effort also. His shot has been way off unfortunately, and that is a pity, as his role is still to be mostly a sniper. But for sure even when he is not hitting the net, he is considerably helping his team and his linemates.
Oh, and btw, Räty and Hirvonen are both two years older than him, so they should be better than him. But when they were his age, they were at least a notch under his level.
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Yes. Hirvonen and Räty are clearly the ones driving play on that line. You could play just about anyone with them and they would do good.
Also, Kemell misses the net way too often.
He will be a good player for sure, but a good middle 6 is where i'd put my money at.
Only good argument you have come with thus far, other than that he has indeed been a passenger in my books, he did make a few good passes, but also alot of plays killing possession, including giveaways, forcing plays, trying to force through defenders along boards getting pinned.
Well Räty and Hirvonen are both 2002 and Kemell is 2004 so the expectations need to be reasonable. Kemell is still an u18 player playing in u20s and that never is easy. Since 15-16 season, the highest-scoring u18 player was Nico Hischier who had 7, which Kemell already ties.
And yes, Bedard is an u17 player scoring similarly but he's in a different category as a player.
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Agreed, Kemell is having a very good tourney so far for an 18 year old, Bedard is a complete outlier with how well he's doing at such a young age. Yeah, Raty and Hirvonen have been better than Kemell, but they're both ~1.5 years older, which makes a big difference at this age. And it's not like they're scrubs either, 2 guys with legit shots to make the NHL who are both at the top of the age range for this tourney. Kemell is no passenger on that line either, he's generating lots of offence, and I wouldn't put much stock in him missing the net, he has a great shot generally that's just a touch off through 3 games. That he's generating so many shots is a good sign.
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In what world is a "middle six" that scores "30 goals" a disappointment from a 17th pick?
The best Finn against Canada for sure. He was a handful for the Canadian team. Creating good chances for himself and his teammates. Also he caused at least three penalties to Canada. A pity that his shot seems to be completely off at the moment. He could easily have 6 or 7 goals in the tournament already, if his shot was at the level that he had before his shoulder injury last season. Since that it seems that he has at least some problems with his shooting.
Well anyway, 1+1 against a very tough Canadian team and now he is already 2nd (tied with Räty though) in the tournament’s scoring with 3+6=9 in just 4 games. Very impressive when you think that he has been a double underager and also he has been mostly in Finland’s 2nd PP line.
Well anyway, 1+1 against a very tough Canadian team and now he is already 2nd (tied with Räty though) in the tournament’s scoring with 3+6=9 in just 4 games. Very impressive when you think that he has been a double underager and also he has been mostly in Finland’s 2nd PP line.
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I thought he was trying to write "invincible".
FinPanda
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He is doing pretty good for someone who is getting carried for two years underage
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