Yeah, @montreal does great work - his videos focus on drafted Habs prospects but then he shares relevant clips of other prospects on their pages. He deserves immense praise, not criticism. He's just doing this to be helpful.
I just think it’s pretty funny the Habs are always “getting” these great players just like wright then Bedard, then michkov, then Celebrini and then demidov(but they actually got him so 1/4 ain’t bad.) Point is- absolutely stupid claiming a player as your prospect when there is a very good chance he goes elsewhere.
I’m just saying it’s a yearly thing on Instagram, X, Facebook, anywhere literally anywhere where the hab fans in particular supposedly have them already. Incredibly annoying as today they have the 8th best odds (6%)
Never said I didn’t appreciate the videos lol. Just was pointing out about Habs fans and then clearly some took offence to that. Forgot I can’t say anything now in 2024.
You say I am derailing but you keep replying to me? Quit replying thanks I would prefer to watch the Canada game and not have pointless notifications
The funny thing is that the detractors weren't even criticizing his play. They were just making stupid arguments that don't understand (or pretend not to) the realities of how math and hockey coincide.
Either people are becoming to personally attached through the posting their own opinions on said players. Or it's just a prime example of children being cruel.
Wasn’t Patrick Kane 5’10”ish as well?
The reality of how math and hockey coincide is that production matters. Offensive production obviously. Maybe somebody in a scouting department somewhere (probably a basement) is calculating Hagens Xgf and xga, and determining what that's worth but the decision makers don't seem to care. Bedard and Hughes were both awful defensively and were #1 picks. Maybe you haven't noticed but Hagens' production is still not that special for an 18 yr old ncaa freshman:
Yeah, this would be kind of my point of questioning. Seeing as it’s hard to compare across Leagues, it does concern me a bit that he’s a ways off Eichel and Fantilli in their 18 year old DY NCAA seasons (Celebrini comparison doesn’t work because he played his DY season as a 17 YO, Hagens is playing it as a 18 YO). I’ve said this before in here but ultimately I think for it will come down to are teams comfortable enough with the translatability of his off puck skills to the NHL to take him at 1, because I don’t think his dynamism or offensive ceilings are as high as the previous NCAA DY 18 YOs I’ve seen
While I understand this perspective, as a huge college hockey guy (and admittedly a BC fan), Hagens has played against an obscenely hard schedule, has been a massive point of focus for defenses, and has had horrific shooting luck that's started to normalize in his L10. I think his production will catch up and may grow to exceed some of his clear comps.
Yeah and that’s fair, and to his credit every tournament I’ve seen him play in he’s shown improvement across time. I still have him ahead of Martone (I have no idea why anyone thinks he belongs in the first discussion lol) and Misa, but im keen to see against the main teams of this tournament and presumptively the frozen four this year if he can look like the main driver on that line with Perrault and Leonard. Even yesterday I thought that he was a bit more in a complimentary role than the other two, but I don’t know if they’ll ever be separated so it’s hard to know
Many of the posters here do realize all of this but there is a supply and demand issue at okay here as well in that the gap between the top forward, Hagens to the 2,3 and 4 forwards is much less than the gap Schaefer has over the 2,3 and 4 th best Dman.
Hagens will surely be the top forward, with some good guys right below him, but I'm increasingly impressed with Schaefer. Just skates so well and has so much talent. Do you want Jack Hughes or Quinn Hughes? Well, it depends how you see team building. Quinn plays 25 minutes a game and controls the game completely from the back end; Jack plays 20 and his speed and skill breaks Ds down. It will come down to team preference.
This point has not been emphasized enough. Right now, BC's schedule thus far has been significantly harder than any college team's schedule possibly ever*. I only looked back 12 years, but BC's current strength of schedule is at least 40% higher than all but one team's. (That one team, UMD in 2021-2022, had no high scoring draft eligible prospects to compare to Hagens, and BC's SoS is still 20% higher than theirs.) I don't know how that translates to point totals, but it can't help.
More like 5'9. Smaller than Bedard. Kane was about 5'9.5 at combine and Bedard was 5'9.75. Then you got a kid like RNH who had height but was also very scrawny/not physically impressive.
and people in general are really bad at understanding how a team's strength of schedule impacts production.. like if Hagens plays Germany, he walks away with 4 points, when he plays Canada, you don't expect that. It's just common sense. Gabe Perreault had a 1.67 PPG last year, this year so far he has a 1.44 PPG. Ryan Leonard had a 1.46 PPG a year ago, he has a 1.19 PPG this year.
An honest discussion is fine, it's when aboslutely nothings are said that deserve to be called out. Such as:
That's not honest discussion or criticism, it's an empty saying. I don't think anyone really has a problem with someone saying they prefer Schaefer or someone else, I roll my eyes at conversations about the "it" factor.
