F Ivan Demidov - SKA St. Petersburg, KHL (2024, 5th, MTL)

[TheKrebsCycle]

Were not ignoring it. Were saying there's sufficient evidence to believe demidov is the superior player.

Points per 60 is the more telling metric and demidovs d+1 KHL season (this year) is at approximately 4.6 to michkovs D+1 3.04.

Again this is a very simple statement were making. Its this: declaring theres a debate to be had over who the better player is, is sensible sentiment. Declaring demidov fans idiots for believing he's ahead given both the empirical data and eye test is simply a coping mechanism.

I personally believe given everything I've seen so far in both careers that demidov is a little bit better. That's all.

Someone posted that Kaprizov had the best U 20 season ever by ppg in the KHL . My post was illuminating that Michkov was the one who actually had the highest ppg at .87 ( vs Kap and .86 ) . So that poster and notion are factually incorrect.

 

[montreal]

He’s literally still 19 . His ppg was higher than Kaprizov…

I said points record though not ppg record, I just used ppg to show that Demidov was on pace to break the points record (and still is)

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

did he break the record? Do people usually post who came in 2nd place?

He came in 1 st ; .87 >.86 . You can argue with me but not with math .

 

[montreal]

He came in 1 st ; .87 >.86 . You can argue with me but not with math .

again I said points record not ppg record.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Because the OP compared two 18 years old who played in the same league in their D+1 and has a similar talent level.

But again, this is irrelevant. What’s relevant is how you decided Michkov was a victim and slandered because one fan said he liked Demidov better as if this was an outrageous take.

Grow up.

I didn’t say the take was outrageous at all . That was a different poster . But plz go on ?

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

again I said points record not ppg record.

So Kaprizov got 1 more pt in 2 more games . Got it . Seems that ppg was being thrown around, points per 60 etc ; I think both clubs would be ecstatic if Kaprizov esque player were to be the result . And again I cheer for neither squad .

 

[NikolaTesla]

I’d suggest watching Michkov as well, he should have double the points in the NHL as a teenager, shoulda coulda woulda, Michkov is the superior talent.

You kept repeating that during the summer and as a proof you brought how Michkov had better numbers are every step of their respective career. So if you keep the same logic you have to admit that Demidov is doing better in his d+1 than Michkov did, right?

 

[Thomas Sowell]

You kept repeating that during the summer and as a proof you brought how Michkov had better numbers are every step of their respective career. So if you keep the same logic you have to admit that Demidov is doing better in his d+1 than Michkov did, right?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

that video in your quote is from the previous game, in today's game it was a very short shift and then they scored, I may have missed a few seconds cause I was caught by surprise that they put Demidov on a different line.



you can see them at the 3:26 mark though it's really short.

Maybe a stupid question, is DeAngelo, Tony DeAngelo or someone else?

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Maybe a stupid question, is DeAngelo, Tony DeAngelo or someone else?

No I think you’re right . He’s in the KHL now I believe

 

[thebestnic]

Maybe a stupid question, is DeAngelo, Tony DeAngelo or someone else?

It is indeed your pal Tony

 

[Bombshell11]

Demidov has 15 pts in less than 10 mins of ice time on avg... thats generational

Thank you

 

[SnowblindNYR]

No I think you’re right . He’s in the KHL now I believe

And also there's a Chelios, I wonder if he's related to Chris. Anyway, sorry to get off topic.

 

[Frank Drebin]

P

And also there's a Chelios, I wonder if he's related to Chris. Anyway, sorry to get off topic.

jake is chris’ son

 

[EbonyRaptor]

On his team he is tied for 3rd in points and is 24th in ice time per game.

wow - that's bad. I hope Demidov holds his ground and refuses to extend so he can play NHL next season.

I'm a big Demidov fan and wanted the Hawks to draft him at #2 instead of Levshunov. We'll see whether or not that turns out to be the right decision. Speaking of Levshunov - he just got cleared to play after recovering from a fracture in his foot so he should play his first pro (AHL) game Saturday.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

We just ignoring Michkov 41 pts in 47 games now ? Works out to .87 ppg …unless there is some strange cutoff being used.

I mean if we're going to be sticklers about weird things then I should point out that Michkov played 48 games and was actually at a 0.854 PPG pace

 

[Garbageyuk]

You kept repeating that during the summer and as a proof you brought how Michkov had better numbers are every step of their respective career. So if you keep the same logic you have to admit that Demidov is doing better in his d+1 than Michkov did, right?

No, that’s not how bias works

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

I mean if we're going to be sticklers about weird things then I should point out that Michkov played 48 games and was actually at a 0.854 PPG pace

7 points in 7 games as a teenager on a struggling team in the NHL.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

7 points in 7 games as a teenager on a struggling team in the NHL.

Yeah not really sure what that has to do with what I said. I had Michkov 2nd overall in his draft year and see no reason to change that now.

Just pointing something out since that's what that poster was doing.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I mean if we're going to be sticklers about weird things then I should point out that Michkov played 48 games and was actually at a 0.854 PPG pace

Factually correct .

Yeah not really sure what that has to do with what I said. I had Michkov 2nd overall in his draft year and see no reason to change that now.

Just pointing something out since that's what that poster was doing.

Yup forgot about the 1 SKA game . My mistake

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Factually correct .


Yup forgot about the 1 SKA game . My mistake

All good.

As far as the comparison goes, I flip flopped between them a lot. I think right now despite Michkov performing well I'd take Demidov, but maybe that's just Habs bias.

Both would have been more fun lol

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

All good.

As far as the comparison goes, I flip flopped between them a lot. I think right now despite Michkov performing well I'd take Demidov, but maybe that's just Habs bias.

Both would have been more fun lol

Both would be the envy of the league from a prospect perspective; what might’ve been . But maybe Reinbacher has a strong rebound season after 2 near nightmare ones ( team wise year 1 and major injury details year 2) .

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

All good.

As far as the comparison goes, I flip flopped between them a lot. I think right now despite Michkov performing well I'd take Demidov, but maybe that's just Habs bias.

Both would have been more fun lol

It’s most-definitely Habs bias, Michkov is the superior talent. I would be shocked if Demidov comes into the NHL as a 19 year old and scores more than half what Michkov will this year, absolutely in different tiers offensively.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

It’s most-definitely Habs bias, Michkov is the superior talent. I would be shocked if Demidov comes into the NHL as a 19 year old and scores more than half what Michkov will this year, absolutely in different tiers offensively.

Yeah I think if there's one thing I can be sure about it's that you are entirely wrong about what you're saying.

 

[SaSaShi]

It’s most-definitely Habs bias, Michkov is the superior talent. I would be shocked if Demidov comes into the NHL as a 19 year old and scores more than half what Michkov will this year, absolutely in different tiers offensively.

they are definitely not in absolute different tiers in offensive talent. Have you watched a full demidov game lately? He is awesome. I think he is more offensively talented than celebrini.

Regarding Michkov comparison....

This is gonna be Malkin/Ovechkin all over again. Both players have 100 pt NHL potential.

So it's a matter of preference.

Michkov is high iq, positionally sound, plays grittier, better natural scorer.
Demidov better stickhandler, wizard passer, flash and style through the roof.

I still wish Briere succeeded in trading for the 4th pick last draft, so both Demidov/Michkov are in Philly.

But these guys are both potential superstars and it remains to be seen who will have the better NHL career. I suspect it will be like Ovi or Malkin?....strawberry or chocolate? Paul or John?