It's horrific to the delicate sensibilities of forum-goers who can't imagine a world in which MM is not the greatest of all time.
F Ivan Demidov - SKA St. Petersburg, KHL (2024, 5th, MTL)
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I hate when people say things that have no factual basis just to justify things.
The only word ever spoken about teams he didn't wanna play for was Arizona due to their arena and overall situation and even that isn't known for sure.
The more likely scenario but unconfirmed is the simple fact that he had a three year contract and had already signed a longer deal at 16 than most Russian prospects do which led to fear that he might follow the Kaprizov approach which is why he fell all the way to the fifth round. In truth he had a chance at 16 to help his family despite delaying his very obvious intent to play in the NHL.
The rumour he only wanted to play for the flyers is silly and nothing more than pillow talk, tho I'm sure he was a fan and was excited to get drafted by them. Nothing this kid has ever said pointed to him holding any team hostage and was simply put out there by others for obvious reasons.
Hell if you wanna go tinfoil I'd have no problem believing teams passed on him because of the fact Russia invaded Ukraine and we're either worried about the optics, are woke, or were worried that he would be held against his will forcing him to play or end up in Siberia. Only half joking on that last part since some are convinced that because of one stupid action taking place suddenly Russia is North Korea or Etiria.
The simple fact is by every single measure including international tournaments, (especially international tournaments) he should have went 2nd overall.
4 points this afternoon for Demidov.
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Michkov's agent told the media that Michkov did not want to play for Arizona and Washington
. I didn't even notice that it was posted before today's game. Wow.....Does anyone have the updated points per 60 after today's game? I'm sure I could figure it out by halloween
TheKrebsCycle
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Why mention Michkov at all if not to degrade the player ? In a Demi thread no less; It’s forced . At this rate he could challenge the formers ppg / pt total from last year . Impressive stuff
TheKrebsCycle
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We just ignoring Michkov 41 pts in 47 games now ? Works out to .87 ppg …unless there is some strange cutoff being used.
Does anyone have the updated points per 60 after today's game? I'm sure I could figure it out by halloween
4.45 I think
montreal
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did he break the record? Do people usually post who came in 2nd place?
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danisonfire
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Does anyone have the updated points per 60 after today's game? I'm sure I could figure it out by halloween
I get 192.13 total minutes, 15 points and 4.684 points per 60. But someone else should check
For me it’s because Demidov plays more of a two-way game, is bigger and faster, and plays more in the dirty areas. It’s doesn’t look like there’s any difference in offensive skill at this point either, with a possible edge starting to develop for Demidov. Easy choice for me.God forbid someone prefers one player over another, if you do you're just slagging on his counterpart, or better yet, it's a "horrible take".
How dare anyone question Michkov's superiority. I don't know how anyone who watches them both play, can say one is unequivocally better than the other, there's very little between them. They both have outstanding futures ahead of themselves,
It literally comes down to preference to which player you'd rather enjoy on the ice or your team.
For me, because I don't think alot will separate them in terms of production, that just from an aesthetic point of view, I'd take Demidov. He's just far more entertaining imo.
As a hab fan I'd like both on my team, but I'm not going there.
Basically free points, but he did what he was supposed to do.
I’m assuming Michkov wasn’t considered U20 since he has a late birthdate. Just a cutoff issue. Actually nevermind I think I’m wrong
EbonyRaptor
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I didn't watch the game but it's nice to see he had a big game. I watched a game about a week ago where SKA got a 5 minute PP followed by a 2 minute PP almost immediately after the major expired. Demidov did not get any ice time during those 7 minutes of PP - I couldn't believe it. Hopefully the coach stops holding his contract situation against him and gives him some PP time.
Since you watch the entire game I guess you'd be the one to ask, I heard that for a brief bit Demidov and Gritsyuk were together on the ice. How did they look?
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On his team he is tied for 3rd in points and is 24th in ice time per game.
viceroy
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Dunno about that. I think Demidov has the higher IQ whereas Michkov has the better instincts. Ivan sees plays developing and thinks ahead but Matvei is more cunning on the ice.
Kinda like for NHL teams playing the Habs this early season...
*sigh*
montreal
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that video in your quote is from the previous game, in today's game it was a very short shift and then they scored, I may have missed a few seconds cause I was caught by surprise that they put Demidov on a different line.
you can see them at the 3:26 mark though it's really short.
Because the OP compared two 18 years old who played in the same league in their D+1 and has a similar talent level.
But again, this is irrelevant. What’s relevant is how you decided Michkov was a victim and slandered because one fan said he liked Demidov better as if this was an outrageous take.
(Flaming. Mod edit)
montreal
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that was pain to watch as I couldn't believe he wouldn't use him even once during the 7 minutes of PP time. His ave PP TOI this season is 0:34 and during 5 on 3's it's 0:00. With that he's 5 pts off the league lead in points.
Were not ignoring it. Were saying there's sufficient evidence to believe demidov is the superior player.
Points per 60 is the more telling metric and demidovs d+1 KHL season (this year) is at approximately 4.6 to michkovs D+1 3.04.
Again this is a very simple statement were making. Its this: declaring theres a debate to be had over who the better player is, is sensible sentiment. Declaring demidov fans idiots for believing he's ahead given both the empirical data and eye test is simply a coping mechanism.
I personally believe given everything I've seen so far in both careers that demidov is a little bit better. That's all.
HeadLiceHatty
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I’d suggest watching Michkov as well, he should have double the points in the NHL as a teenager, shoulda coulda woulda, Michkov is the superior talent.
TheKrebsCycle
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montreal
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I will see him soon since the Habs are about to face philly. But Demidov is 5 pts away from the league league while playing 0:34 sec per game on the PP. If you think that suggesting he could be leading the league in points had they say I don't put him on the 1st PP unit and actually used him at all for any 5 on 3 PP's, that he couldn't have more then 15 pts,
