F Ivan Demidov - SKA St. Petersburg, KHL (2024, 5th, MTL) Part 2

[CaviarAndRinkFries]

 

[Kegs]

Kids destroying the khl.

 

[KevSkillz4]

He is insane, insane, insane and insane. Man, I'm soo hype to have this guy in my team!!

 

[Boyon90]

 

[CaviarAndRinkFries]

 

[jonthorp]

Ivan will ignite Montreal’s top-six and power play for years to come.

 

[Kshahdoo]

That top4 look sexy by NHL standarts: an NHL superstar, a future NHL superstar, a former NHL star and lead scorer on the team during its successful SC run (who had to actually be awarded with Conn Smythe) and Demidov...

 

[HabzSauce]

I'm actually starting to like this guy. He's grown on me. Maybe because Therrien is my fav coach and they are similar idk....

But he had made Demidov much better player, wether that be intentional or not. Playing old school mind games, limited ice time in lot of games, yet demidov has handled it beautifully. His maturity level is on another level.

 

[WentWughes]

I'm actually starting to like this guy. He's grown on me. Maybe because Therrien is my fav coach and they are similar idk....

But he had made Demidov much better player, wether that be intentional or not. Playing old school mind games, limited ice time in lot of games, yet demidov has handled it beautifully. His maturity level is on another level.

No he is an awful coach. He deserves no credit for Demidov’s performance, it was clear he was the best player on the team during the pre-season and yet he refused to play him enough. Rotenburg is an egotistical clown.

 

[HabzSauce]

No he is an awful coach. He deserves no credit for Demidov’s performance, it was clear he was the best player on the team during the pre-season and yet he refused to play him enough. Rotenburg is an egotistical clown.

At the end of the day Rottenburg provided Demidov with adversity to overcome. And the kid dunked on every one of his shit tests

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Count me in the club of people that are happy Demidov had to face adversity this year. It doesn't matter whether it was deserved or not. He will not cross over as an entitled kid and get angry at his coach whenever something doesn't go his way.

We ruined Kotkaniemi, who looked like he was a good kid by all accounts, by bringing him up too early and making him feel entitled. When he had to face adversity getting scratched in the playoffs a few times, he bailed on the team. I suspect he would not have reacted this way had we not rushed him to the NHL and allowed him a pace of development that would not feed his ego as much.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Count me in the club of people that are happy Demidov had to face adversity this year. It doesn't matter whether it was deserved or not. He will not cross over as an entitled kid and get angry at his coach whenever something doesn't go his way.

We ruined Kotkaniemi, who looked like he was a good kid by all accounts, by bringing him up too early and making him feel entitled. When he had to face adversity getting scratched in the playoffs a few times, he bailed on the team. I suspect he would not have reacted this way had we not rushed him to the NHL and allowed him a pace of development that would not feed his ego as much.

You do know that had we not “rushed” kotkaniemi he likely would have played another year in Asshat being coached by….his dad?

 

[Sam de Mtl]

You do know that had we not “rushed” kotkaniemi he likely would have played another year in Asshat being coached by….his dad?

Lol yeah ok.

Still, he would not have felt he was owed an NHL starting spot. Or we could have sent him to the AHL first. Whatever. Anything but what happened.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Tremendously overrated prospect, even if he is a phenomenal one, only because people are radically overestimating the current level of talent in the KHL as opposed to the years in which prospects like Kaprizov were coming up in the rank. Most Habs fans are going to turn on him when he comes over and fails to live up to the impossible expectations with which he, Koko, and Slaf were burdened, particularly because his are even higher due to such misperceptions.

Still going to be a high-end first liner when he's reached the peak of his development, but fans and media will make it more difficult for him.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Nah, f*** that. He's incredible. He will at least be at the level of Kaprizov, maybe better.

 

[MoneyManny]

Tremendously overrated prospect, even if he is a phenomenal one, only because people are radically overestimating the current level of talent in the KHL as opposed to the years in which prospects like Kaprizov were coming up in the rank. Most Habs fans are going to turn on him when he comes over and fails to live up to the impossible expectations with which he, Koko, and Slaf were burdened, particularly because his are even higher due to such misperceptions.

Still going to be a high-end first liner when he's reached the peak of his development, but fans and media will make it more difficult for him.

Your comment makes absolutely no sense. You're calling him overrated and 1 paragraph below you write that he's going to be a high end first liner?

Did someone tell you they expect him to break Wayne's points record?

 

[Doublechin]

Tremendously overrated prospect, even if he is a phenomenal one, only because people are radically overestimating the current level of talent in the KHL as opposed to the years in which prospects like Kaprizov were coming up in the rank. Most Habs fans are going to turn on him when he comes over and fails to live up to the impossible expectations with which he, Koko, and Slaf were burdened, particularly because his are even higher due to such misperceptions.

Still going to be a high-end first liner when he's reached the peak of his development, but fans and media will make it more difficult for him.

Overrated how?

All you spoke about was fan expectations

How's having the best D+1 season ever in the KHL overrated?

 

[MoneyManny]

Lol yeah ok.

Still, he would not have felt he was owed an NHL starting spot. Or we could have sent him to the AHL first. Whatever. Anything but what happened.

He didn't even break out with the Canes. KK is a dime a dozen NHL player, and that's what he was always going to be.

What was rushed was the draft position used on him.

 

[montreal]

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[Sam de Mtl]

He didn't even break out with the Canes. KK is a dime a dozen NHL player, and that's what he was always going to be.

What was rushed was the draft position used on him.

Not that I disagree with you completely, but I believe that his entitlement is a big reason why he had so little improvement year over year. This guy never had to work for anything and still got paid 40M+. He got his big contract without achieving any kind of success. What is the motivation to work your ass off then?

If that is the case, then a different approach with him could have yielded wildly different results from what we have seen.

 

[Kegs]

Tremendously overrated prospect, even if he is a phenomenal one, only because people are radically overestimating the current level of talent in the KHL as opposed to the years in which prospects like Kaprizov were coming up in the rank. Most Habs fans are going to turn on him when he comes over and fails to live up to the impossible expectations with which he, Koko, and Slaf were burdened, particularly because his are even higher due to such misperceptions.

Still going to be a high-end first liner when he's reached the peak of his development, but fans and media will make it more difficult for him.

You must watch a lot of khl.

 

[Danarqhy]

Count me in the club of people that are happy Demidov had to face adversity this year. It doesn't matter whether it was deserved or not. He will not cross over as an entitled kid and get angry at his coach whenever something doesn't go his way.

We ruined Kotkaniemi, who looked like he was a good kid by all accounts, by bringing him up too early and making him feel entitled. When he had to face adversity getting scratched in the playoffs a few times, he bailed on the team. I suspect he would not have reacted this way had we not rushed him to the NHL and allowed him a pace of development that would not feed his ego as much.

Kotkaniemi was just a bad prospect, physically mature but too many tools were lacking + the brain is slow + looks like he is lazy and doesn't work on his weaknesses.